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General Category => POLITICS (IF YOU DO NOT LIKE POLITICS, THEN DON'T GO IN HERE! => Topic started by: bonneyman on December 23, 2018, 09:39:08 AM
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Another government shutdown is upon us, and it doesn't look like the powers that be are all too concerned about ending it. McConnell hasn't scheduled any "negotiations" until Dec 27th. Isn't that convenient? So all the old farts can go home and enjoy Christmas while the poor working stiffs stay furloughed.
Hopefully none of our membership is affected by this song and dance. I'm with the president on this one but it does bother me that normal Joe's seem to get the short end of the stick.
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Honestly, these shutdowns don't affect much. The media loves to act like the sky is falling, but that's never the case.
Especially now because most agencies already have their full year appropriation, so they're not even being affected.
I'm glad Trump is forcing the issue on the border wall funding. W Bush should've pushed to get this border wall constructed after 9/11. If he had, I'd think a lot more of him than I do.
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Gov't contractors in my area (aka Beltway Bandits) are sweating it. They voted mostly for Democrats because they know the Dems will keep feeding them with government contracts. They mostly hate Trump because he wants to make that aspect of government spending (contracting) more efficient.
If this lasts past the 1st of the year you will see calls for Dems to make a deal. The large and small contractors can't take any long disruptions in their money pipelines.
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Military has funding for fy 2019 so as far as I’m concerned we’re all good.
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My wife and therefore me
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Naw, the wife is a university worker and I am self-employed.
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Gov't contractors in my area (aka Beltway Bandits) are sweating it. They voted mostly for Democrats because they know the Dems will keep feeding them with government contracts. They mostly hate Trump because he wants to make that aspect of government spending (contracting) more efficient.
If this lasts past the 1st of the year you will see calls for Dems to make a deal. The large and small contractors can't take any long disruptions in their money pipelines.
Been there done that both as a contractor and active duty. Not much effect.
I do remember there was a time in the '70s when the active duty pay raises and promotions were delayed because of a shutdown - that's a foul!
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I beginning to see all politicians in the same light. Democrat or Republicans are both slimy weasely bastards who don't really care about the working class in this country. I think the time is right for a major re-alignment in the way Washington does bidness.
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It doesn't effect me at all. I do think that all elected politician's shouldn't get pay during a shutdown and shouldn't get back pay either or healthcare benefits. They wont do their job , they shouldn't get paid. Just like the rest of us.
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I beginning to see all politicians in the same light. Democrat or Republicans are both slimy weasely bastards who don't really care about the working class in this country. I think the time is right for a major re-alignment in the way Washington does bidness.
Yeah, been like that for many years.
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I beginning to see all politicians in the same light. Democrat or Republicans are both slimy weasely bastards who don't really care about the working class in this country. I think the time is right for a major re-alignment in the way Washington does bidness.
Yeah, been like that for many years.
+2 - absolutely no difference anymore between Dems and Repubs; most all need to be sent packing and term limits instituted. A good friend of mine calls them the UNI-Party. Same agenda on both sides, but only talk a different game when it's election time.
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somewhat. i am one of three farmers on the county board at the local fsa (farm service agency). we help set county yield, statistics and mediate issues between farmers and the various farm programs they may participate in. the fsa has enough money to be open for a few days doing things. the nrcs (soil conservation) side of the office has money to operate for a few weeks.
it won't affect me much but it may be an issue for some farmers that have grain loans. they may need to make payment or get a release to deliver grain under loan for repayment. without the fsa open they may be unable to price or deliver any crop they have under loan and do the reporting that is necessary to not default or make a violation on their loans.
there are about 10 people in our county office between fsa and nrcs. they have plans in place to close the fsa office by the end of the week.
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Zero affect, work for what I have, not being a beggar, so zero.
I actually like it cause no stupid people trying to fix shit or making moronic laws. We could cut the size of government by 50% tomorrow and not miss a beat. The porn site traffic would go down, opening the bandwidth of the net.
That's why the leaches make a big deal out of shutdowns..... truth be told. They worry a great deal that people could actually wake up, and find they do not need all the LMAO Help the gov tells them they get or need and actually, be free and have freedom.
Slavery is still here BFT, the code name GOV benefits/assistance/programs ..
Think about it :-\
Pep
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The local parks are getting hit some. Those with paid employees are closed, but a handful are run by volunteers and will remain open. The park closest to me is open, and it would be stupid to close it, as they charge a fee for walking/cycling, horse riding. And on a long holiday weekend with beautiful weather alot of people are out there.
When they closed the gov in 2013 we we're heading to the Grand Canyon. Been in AZ 30 years - never been to the GC. Planned a trip and were enroute (about a 5 hour drive), when we hear over the car radio the gov shutdown. GC was one of the parks that closed, and the hotel called us when we were an hour away - don't come, the parks closed, you can't visit it. Ended up doing everything on our itinerary except visit the big crack. Here it is 5 years later and I STILL haven't been there. :D
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We are not directly affected by it. The wife's work does not rely on gov't contracts so they are OK. The Dems act like they are already in control of Congress so who knows how long this crap will go on. I think term limits are needed but they will never get enacted for Congress as they will always protect their job. My worry is that as soon as the new Congress is sworn in they will spend all their time going after the President and not doing the job they were elected to do.
How long has it been since they have passed a proper budget instead of just doing CR's?
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Traffic will be a little easier especially if I head towards DC but no direct impact on family or business.
I also agree there is little difference between the parties and neither have the stomach to control spending which is my biggest concern
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Traffic will be a little easier especially if I head towards DC but no direct impact on family or business.
I also agree there is little difference between the parties and neither have the stomach to control spending which is my biggest concern
And judging from the latest round of inductees things don't look like they're going to change at all. Spend the country into oblivion - but there's no chump change for a border wall so forget it. >:(
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Saved me the typing! VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV
Honestly, these shutdowns don't affect much. The media loves to act like the sky is falling, but that's never the case.
Especially now because most agencies already have their full year appropriation, so they're not even being affected.
I'm glad Trump is forcing the issue on the border wall funding. W Bush should've pushed to get this border wall constructed after 9/11. If he had, I'd think a lot more of him than I do.
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When I worked construction I new that I might be laid off in the winter for a while. I put some money away to help out while I drew unemployment. I never came glose to making what a Gov. worker makes but knowing there has been shutdowns in the past why haven't they accounted for it. It won't last long anyway.
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When I worked construction I new that I might be laid off in the winter for a while. I put some money away to help out while I drew unemployment. I never came glose to making what a Gov. worker makes but knowing there has been shutdowns in the past why haven't they accounted for it. It won't last long anyway.
Despite the medias hand wringing and bleating everyone knows these are short lived and in the end no one ever loses any pay when it is all said and done. Just so much media hype and BS.
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Well it looks like Trump is holding firm, and the Dem leaders are speaking code words. Hopefully national security doesn't blink. Guess Jan 11th is the next real test, as that's when Federal employees will be due their paychecks and not get them. Things might start to get heated then.
And the IRS won't be issuing refunds, either. No manpower. Funny how we still gotta pay our taxes...but they don't have to return our money.
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Well it looks like Trump is holding firm, and the Dem leaders are speaking code words. Hopefully national security doesn't blink. Guess Jan 11th is the next real test, as that's when Federal employees will be due their paychecks and not get them. Things might start to get heated then.
And the IRS won't be issuing refunds, either. No manpower. Funny how we still gotta pay our taxes...but they don't have to return our money.
I am glad he is holding firm. I hope he sticks with it. Now the Dems will get to share in the judgment with Trump. Of course the media will put it all on Trump, 100%. I cannot stand the media.
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Since I retired in 2017 I am not, before that as a contractor at the EPA I got screwed every time. The government employees will get paid eventually no so with contractors.
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Trump needs to stand as firm as that wall. There's more people behind him in support than anyone knows.
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Trump needs to stand as firm as that wall. There's more people behind him in support than anyone knows.
If he folds on it this time he better never open his mouth about it again. I hope he stands firm and plays hardball with the Dems.
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Trump won't get re-elected if he folds on the wall. The Dems know this - that's why they're being so greedy as to deny a penny out of every $10 of goverment spending for the wall. It's all because they don't want to let Trump have this victory.
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My wife has co workers driving uber now. You guys that think folks won't be hurt by this are full of it. Some federal workers make diddly squat and are living paycheck to paycheck like many folks n the US. Sure they get good bennies and thats why most do it but they ain't getting rich.
I can't see this ending real soon, like some have already stated this is do or die for Trump.
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The workers will get back pay. When the demrats come to the table and fund the wall . This is like a union on strike, only it is President Trump that's carrying the picket sign. Unlike a union strike where the labor NEVER gets what has been lost while out of work.
Sometimes folks need to make up their minds. And sometime it takes some PAIN to get what's done that is needed. Sure its tuff, and sure the bennies are great. I not in favor fo fed workers getting bennies as the country is over run. Defeated because some clowns want diversity in our culture. Our culture of life American, BTW IS beaning hijacked.
Are they willing to speak English ..... NO, are they here, coming to meld into our culture NO. Water seeking the path of least resistance, path to your bennies and tax money... really some need to open your eyes.
You want to help the fed worker invite them into your home feed and take care of them. And when things turn around, they will be gone bye bye. Just listen closely sometime to the fed worker, works for 20 years retires with great bennies. Then looks down their noise at you..... sucker working to 65-70 and needing to buy your own health ins and so on ....... The fed worker everyday motivation, how many days before they retire. Post office was all that.... then email cought them by the short hairs, all that has changed, they actually have to work. Just as the post office employee, in it for the free ride that is a good one, so I guess it takes being uncomfortable and hard ship to suck off the tax payers.
I prefer have them getting the tax payers money, with some humility about it. At least they have contributed to America .... Not these rag tag beggars, over running our borders.
Are they all like that no, but the biggest majority ARE, sorry for the reality check ......... NOT really
Pep
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My wife has co workers driving uber now. You guys that think folks won't be hurt by this are full of it. Some federal workers make diddly squat and are living paycheck to paycheck like many folks n the US. Sure they get good bennies and thats why most do it but they ain't getting rich.
I can't see this ending real soon, like some have already stated this is do or die for Trump.
Seriously? I never met a federal employee that was not well paid with excellent benefits. To each his own I guess but I would love to know where the poorly paid fed employees are all hiding. I know one thing for sure though, if Trump caves to the jackals on this one he will be done for sure. So he really has no choice but to press on.
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Hell, I got employees making a 40 hour check driving for Uber because they cant afford the fricking insurance cut. and they aren't laid off, furloughed or anything else. too bad your wifes friends are having to work to make ends meet, join the crowd,
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Well they're starting to shut down some of the National Parks around town. A few are staying open, with volunteers picking up trash and cleaning restrooms. But several were on the news closing because they had about 2 weeks worth of operating funds and now that's exhausted.
Thankfully most of the parks are desert landscaping so I don't think a lack of human activity is gonna affect them much.
Heck I say keep the gov shut down. Eventually high salary folks will start missing their checks and start sqwaking. Of course they'll probably blame Trump but who cares who's "fault" it is? If you ain't getting paid you won't care - you'll be calling the Dems demanding things get reopened.
I think Trump has the leverage here. Pelsoi and Schumer wouldn't be pushing to fund everything else - making all these empty pleas to help furloughed people - if they weren't afraid. "We can talk about the wall later" they say. Bunk! Keep the pressure on!
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Hell, I got employees making a 40 hour check driving for Uber because they cant afford the fricking insurance cut. and they aren't laid off, furloughed or anything else. too bad your wifes friends are having to work to make ends meet, join the crowd,
They are working, they aren't getting paid for it
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Hell, I got employees making a 40 hour check driving for Uber because they cant afford the fricking insurance cut. and they aren't laid off, furloughed or anything else. too bad your wifes friends are having to work to make ends meet, join the crowd,
They are working, they aren't getting paid for it
I'm sorry that innocent Joe's have to take the bulk of the suffering. If the Dems gave Trump his chump change the gov would open back up as usual - and the wall would get started. Making us all safer.
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Did the democrats, or did they not, approve a border wall in 2006 to be constructed along at least part of the Mexican border? Well, time to fund it. This partial shutdown needs to go on as long as necessary for President Trump to get his 5.6 billion dollars. It's that simple. I could give a sh/t if people are furloughed, have to work for free, whatever. No more excuses.
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My wife has co workers driving uber now. You guys that think folks won't be hurt by this are full of it. Some federal workers make diddly squat and are living paycheck to paycheck like many folks n the US. Sure they get good bennies and thats why most do it but they ain't getting rich.
Living check to check is a lifestyle choice which has little to do with income level. A very risky one when your employer is bordering on bankrupt and has cashflow problems
And if they're driving uber they have a half decent car and a smartphone so they ain't poor.
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Hell, I got employees making a 40 hour check driving for Uber because they cant afford the fricking insurance cut. and they aren't laid off, furloughed or anything else. too bad your wifes friends are having to work to make ends meet, join the crowd,
They are working, they aren't getting paid for it
They are currently working without pay? I thought they were sending folks home. No way I'd work for free. I assume they plan on back pay?
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Hell, I got employees making a 40 hour check driving for Uber because they cant afford the fricking insurance cut. and they aren't laid off, furloughed or anything else. too bad your wifes friends are having to work to make ends meet, join the crowd,
They are working, they aren't getting paid for it
They are currently working without pay? I thought they were sending folks home. No way I'd work for free. I assume they plan on back pay?
They always get the pay for the time, no one loses a cent. They are just not paid during the time of the shutdown, which I can see being a bit of a problem, but sadly, it is just part of what it will take to knuckle the Dems under.
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not taking a side here but i know for a fact the people in the local fsa (farm service agency)office are not working and will not get paid.
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Hell, I got employees making a 40 hour check driving for Uber because they cant afford the fricking insurance cut. and they aren't laid off, furloughed or anything else. too bad your wifes friends are having to work to make ends meet, join the crowd,
They are working, they aren't getting paid for it
They are currently working without pay? I thought they were sending folks home. No way I'd work for free. I assume they plan on back pay?
Yes, essential personnel have to work during the shutdown. They will get back pay once settled but I doubt the bank takes an IOU for house payment or car payment or in some case just to put gas in the car to get to work.
According to their labor agreement that can't even look for another job without permission from management and guess what? Management is furloughed so can't ask.
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Sadly, about 70% of the US lives paycheck to paycheck or close to it. I agree with Matt that it has nothing to do with income level, rather lifestyle choices and again sadly, the credit industry encourages it. And our government lives the same way so it is modeled for everyone to see.
And both sides are to blame as neither has the courage to quit spending to keep themselves in power. Whether social programs or military spending or corporate welfare, we as a country need to live within our means as should everyone else.
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No paycheck will start affecting many workers now.
I'm retired Federal, but will not effect me and Donna, as we have savings.
I sincerely hope that Nancy Pelosi and Charles Shumer catch HELL for doing this. The Democratic Party is now 100% Socialist in their beliefs and act like Communists. I've got old scars from fighting Communist regimes many years ago.
So, I am a Conservative politically. And I like Trump.
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i honestly believe the vast majority of americans believe in a strong border and have no real issues with a wall, fence or whatever you want to call it. even if they don't like trump. i am starting to think when the people start getting tired of this it will be the democrats who get egg on their face and put pressure on the dems to give on this one issue.
i already know of farmers whose ag loans are due who are going to have to pay interest in penalties. you just can't drop a check in the mail to cover it. if your grain is under loan, you can't move it, haul it or even sell it to settle your loan without permission.
just to set the record straight, i do not have a ccc grain loan. i have never had one and more than likely never will. i don't like the system but it is a tool that many use.
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I sincerely hope that Nancy Pelosi and Charles Shumer catch HELL for doing this. The Democratic Party is now 100% Socialist in their beliefs and act like Communists. I've got old scars from fighting Communist regimes many years ago.
So, I am a Conservative politically. And I like Trump.
I wouldn't get your hopes up much, the US media will cover for them as much as possible.
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I sincerely hope that Nancy Pelosi and Charles Shumer catch HELL for doing this. The Democratic Party is now 100% Socialist in their beliefs and act like Communists. I've got old scars from fighting Communist regimes many years ago.
So, I am a Conservative politically. And I like Trump.
I wouldn't get your hopes up much, the US media will cover for them as much as possible.
Yeah I'm sure that everybody will start blaming Trump. The liberal media will not slime the Dems. At least he stays on the job, visits the troops, and makes offers to meet. The Dems go to Hawaii and do photo ops. When the pain really starts to hit maybe just maybe the liberal hide will crack and start hitting Pelosi and Schumer.
After all, Pelosi said she has as much power as the President, so........ :-[
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When Pelosi got the gavel back, the look on her face was like she was thinking about what she could bang with that gavel. :o
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It's all just a side show in an attempt to distract attention away from the numerous federal investigations that are currently ongoing.
There will be no money for a wall during the next two years. The Congress is Democrat controlled, and Schumer and Pelosi and the Democrats are not going to sign off on any funding for any wall.
Ain't gonna happen.
But good luck with that wishful thinking. ;)
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It's all just a side show in an attempt to distract attention away from the numerous federal investigations that are currently ongoing.
There will be no money for a wall during the next two years. The Congress is Democrat controlled, and Schumer and Pelosi and the Democrats are not going to sign off on any funding for any wall.
Ain't gonna happen.
But good luck with that wishful thinking. ;)
The House is controlled by the Democrats. The Senate is controlled by the Republicans. And Trump is still President, so overestimate the left winger's power at your own risk.
The wall is coming, be ready.
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It's all just a side show in an attempt to distract attention away from the numerous federal investigations that are currently ongoing.
There will be no money for a wall during the next two years. The Congress is Democrat controlled, and Schumer and Pelosi and the Democrats are not going to sign off on any funding for any wall.
Ain't gonna happen.
But good luck with that wishful thinking. ;)
The House is controlled by the Democrats. The Senate is controlled by the Republicans. And Trump is still President, so overestimate the left winger's power at your own risk.
The wall is coming, be ready.
Today Trump tried to have a constructive dialog at the lunch meeting. When he asked Pelosi if he went ahead and funded things for 30 days would she consider the funding for the wall. He reply was no so Trump walked out. He did not slam his hands on the table and have a temper tantrum as Chucky Boy claimed. Trump tried to come to a compromise but the Dems were having no part of it.
What is going on right now is not an attempt to distract from other things. Trump is tired of US citizens being needlessly killed by foreign invaders. Bring on the wall.
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It's all just a side show in an attempt to distract attention away from the numerous federal investigations that are currently ongoing.
There will be no money for a wall during the next two years. The Congress is Democrat controlled, and Schumer and Pelosi and the Democrats are not going to sign off on any funding for any wall.
Ain't gonna happen.
But good luck with that wishful thinking. ;)
You're probably right that it's a distraction for something. The rinos have had two years to fund a wall and finally decide to force the issue now they've lost their majority in the house :-[ :-[
I guess they were so busy repealing obamacare they never got around to the wall while they had a majority.................................
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So the wall is going to solve all the immigration problems. My understanding is a majority of illegals are here after there green card lapsed. If true how does the wall solve that issue?
Why do we need new legislation or appropriations when the issues would be solved by enforcing current laws?
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Trump will have to build this through other ways than through the house, besides that 5 billion isn't going to buy much wall. I worked on a section of the border wall on the last go around of this back in the early 2000's. In 2006 it cost almost 2 million dollars a mile to build steel fence. With today's economy, labor shortage, and material prices you could add 15-20% to that price.
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Walrus, no one said the wall would solve all immigration problems. Folks with green cards lapsed are not the ones smuggling drugs into this country.
The wall will reduce the number of folks and drugs and sex trade exploited girls coming into this country illegally across the southern border. It is just another tool to combat illegal immigration.
Sad to say 5 billion is not a lot of money so the issue isn't money its partisan politics.
Enforcing current laws would certainly help but too many liberal cities counties won't allow it.
Plus, and I put this at the feet of both parties, we need real immigration reform and no one does anything.
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So the wall is going to solve all the immigration problems. My understanding is a majority of illegals are here after there green card lapsed. If true how does the wall solve that issue?
Why do we need new legislation or appropriations when the issues would be solved by enforcing current laws?
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The problem is two-fold.
One- Most people living in this country illegally originally came here on a work, student, or tourist visa, and never returned to their home countries. Many people from Europe, Asia, and South America arrive this way and then disappear into the underground economy. Large cities like San Francisco and Miami are havens for these people because they have huge immigrant populations and a vast shadow economy (restaurants, dry cleaners, maid services, construction, landscaping, etc) that absorb these people quite readily, and who exist outside the federally regulated employment/wage/tax system; basically an unregulated cash based work economy. These people work, raise families, and in many cases choose not to seek government social services for fear of getting caught and deported.
Two - Mostly uneducated migrants from extremely poor countries in South America travel to the US border to get into the country illegally. These people come to the US for one reason: to get on the welfare dole by claiming "refugee" status at the border, and since they have no skills, their intent is to stay in the welfare system as long as possible. From their viewpoint it's a "free ride" for life and they don't mind the bureaucratic delays since they have few options. These people come to the border (like the masses that showed up in recent months from Honduras) and want to get caught -- because as soon as they set foot on US soil, they are automatically protected under US law. The fools in Congress (mostly Democrats and RINOs) have made the "refugee" system a joke because to qualify as a refugee you have to meet very minimum criteria. It's also very dangerous and aids human trafficking because under this system women with children are given preference -- hence kids get bought, sold, raped, tortured, beat, abused in all manner by adults so that when they arrive at the border a single woman can claim refugee status automatically if she has a few kids with her (regardless of whether they are hers or not), it also helps if she is pregnant -- that also gives her a leg-up on claiming refugee status.
Thousands of people are trafficked this way each day to the border to simply get caught by the Border Patrol and the first thing they say is that they are refugees. There are US-based and European based "charity" workers (mostly socialist left sponsored international groups) who educate these people in South America and Mexico on gaming the stupid US-based refugee system - they tell them exactly what to say, and how to act once they get on US soil. At that point the Border Patrol is helpless and they have to put these people "into the system" -- where they are eventually let go into US society (with a promise they will appear before an immigration judge in the future). Most all never show up for their immigration hearing.
What we have here is a mass flooding of people to the US, who are unskilled, often diseased (rise of tuberculosis and other communicable diseases in on the rise in border areas) who are integrated by law into US society because the system is not capable of detaining them. The US government simply lets these people go and buses them to communities all across the country in an effort to not only hide the problem, but to avoid local opposition to this clandestine program. Lots of schools across the country have been inundated with disease once these kids arrive -- yet the local school systems are powerless to stop it. They can't even send these kids home when there is a lice or scabie outbreak because it would highlight the fact that these "immigrants" were never properly vetted at the border due to their "refugee status".
The Wall -- will prevent most of these folks to simply walk across the border and claim to be refugees. They will be kept on the Mexican side of the border until their claims can be verified and they can be vetted. That way Uncle Sam doesn't have to house, feed, school, medicate, hospitalize, track, or provide pre-natal and neo-natal care to these people on the US side (the babies become automatic citizens even if the parent(s) are in custody but deliver on US soil). This way, thousands of illegals will not be flooding our cities and border communities with bogus refugee claims while "waiting" in the US to get their "refugee" claims adjudicated.
The wall will keep them in Mexico to wait their turn and to avoid our tax dollars paying for them while they wait their turn -- simple as that!
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If walls didn't work then why do elites have walls around their homes? If we're all just one big happy family - and it's racist to deny entry to someone - then why don't the elites open up their homes to all these people?
How about the Vatican? If any organization could afford it, they could! How many tons of gold do they have stored from their many centuries of power? The Pope says we should let illegals in - he should lead by example.
Why do banks have locked doors, security guards, and money vaults? There's money in there, and people feel that they should have some, so we're just gonna let them walk right on in and take it and there's nothing we can do to remove them once they're in? Fat chance! :D
Why do we locks on our doors at home? Because we're racist, or greedy, or uncaring, or mean-spirited, or whitey-in-charge? No, I lock my front doors to keep honest people honest. So nobody can just waltz on in and threaten my loved ones. If someone is hungry or in a bad way I'll do what I can to help. But you don't force your way in and demand my possessions. The locked doors don't keep out the needy - heck, they don't even keep out the criminals. If someones intent on getting in somehow, someway they will. (That's what the shotgun is for)!
As has been said I don't think the wall is the perfect solution. It by itself is only going to do so much. But it would be an important step forward toward the goal of controlling the tide of immigrants wanting to come into the country.
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So the wall is going to solve all the immigration problems. My understanding is a majority of illegals are here after there green card lapsed. If true how does the wall solve that issue?
Why do we need new legislation or appropriations when the issues would be solved by enforcing current laws?
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As Bonneyman stated, a wall is one part of the solution. Obama, Schumer, Pelosi and Hillary have, at various times since 2005, spoken about a need for border security.
Now that Trump is president, has that need mysteriously vanished?
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Walrus, no one said the wall would solve all immigration problems. Folks with green cards lapsed are not the ones smuggling drugs into this country.
The wall will reduce the number of folks and drugs and sex trade exploited girls coming into this country illegally across the southern border. It is just another tool to combat illegal immigration.
Sad to say 5 billion is not a lot of money so the issue isn't money its partisan politics.
Enforcing current laws would certainly help but too many liberal cities counties won't allow it.
Plus, and I put this at the feet of both parties, we need real immigration reform and no one does anything.
Drugs are coming in via planes trains and automobiles :) seriously, you think people are walking across the borders with all the drugs people in the US are buying? Follow the money and you will realize they allow it to come here
How can liberal cities not allow federal agents to do their job? I tell you how, the employers want the illegals so they can make more money. Which is why both parties are to blame, they both have voters making money off the illegals.
Its ridiculous how badly this country is bought and paid by folks who aren't us. Who aren't what used to be the backbone of this country.
The immigration problem won't be solved until someone has a backbone and that ain't Trump
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Bwahahahaha! What a joke Walrus! -- every administration since McKinley has tried to address the "immigration problem". There isn't a problem, but simply the lack of will and resolve to address it. Some administrations succeeded -- look up "Operation Wetback" under Pres. Eisenhower. The problem since then is that people like Ted Kennedy managed to intentionally fudge-up and loosen the immigration laws to such an extent that we no longer have common sense immigration laws; nor politicians that want to abide by them. Neither Republicans nor Democrats want to enforce immigration laws and borders because their corporate and political masters (like the US. Camber of Commerce and Koch Industries to name just a few) want to keep things as they are.
Pres. Trump is the only one in the last 50 years who doesn't just pay lip-service to the problem, but actually tries to force some action out of congress on the issue.
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I wasn't a big fan of Trumps in the beginning but the longer he's in office the more I like him.
The idea that the majority of illegals are overstayed visas is media BS. Locally for every one legal immigrant there is 200 illegals. I'm so tired of the political BS storm coming from the media and democrats about the wall. Trump is the only one who has come to the border to talk to the American people, That's who he represents, not some foreign illegal but Americans. We Americans are damn sick and tired of the free loader illegals coming to this country to thrive on our tax dollars. Trump gets it. no Republican or Democrat does.
Build the Wall, stop the invasion.
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The wall will keep them in Mexico and keep them off the democrat voter rolls -- simple as that!
Elroy fixed it for ya
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Facts be facts, and even boobs and a J School Degree make then hard to warp.
The Federal government has shut down 18 times in the lifetime of most on this board, and all 18 times Federal employees got paid for time they weren't working when the shutdown concluded.
Most Federal employee unions supported and contributed to criminal Clinton in the 2016 cycle, and are therefore AntiTrump! Unfortunately Trump didn't accept sufficient resignations when he was inaugurated because Team Red failed to back him and supply replacements for Agency positions. The Deep state OBummer version remained in place and in power. Any Federal employee who is unable to get a bridge loan to cover the shutdown at low interest is carrying excessive debt already along with on onboard overload of fecal matter.
I have yet to see barricades erected and staffed around the World War Memorial or the Vietnam Wall as was done at taxpayer expense and contracted well in advance by Team OBummer. The lack of barricades and contract guards in and of itself is a considerable savings to taxpayers.
Weren't those barricades technically mini walls to keep taxpayers out?
PeeLousey & Scummer claim walls don't work, so why did they vote to spend US taxpayer Dollars on a wall between Jordan and Iraq that is working quite well today?
If walls don't work, why did PeeLousey and Scummer send US tax Dollars to build Mexico's Southern wall which Mexico refused to use properly?
If walls don't keep undesired people out, why does PeeLousey have a tall wall around her mansion in California?
If walls don't work, why does TSA employ walls and barriers to keep people away from departure areas? Come to think, why do we have TSA, let everybody on the plane and pass out hammers to people boarding.
Will a US/Mexico wall work to keep 100% out? Hell no, Mexicans know well how to build tunnels with rails inside them. Will a wall keep drugs out? Again NO, but it will keep a portion of them out.
What a wall will do is cut the cost of undocumented Democraps merely because less of them will exist. Cutting that cost alone pays for the wall without factoring in the additional cost of health care for those infected by disease from S America.
Honestly if I were a Mexican or Guatemalan or Honduran I'd be doing my best to get to the pot of gold in the US.
Team Blue, including Federal employees will move heaven and earth to prevent diminishing the arrival of Undocumented Democraps. No Federal employee started their job not knowing the possibility of shutdowns existed. Their failure to prepare for shutdown is NOT my problem. You play stupid games you win stupid prizes.
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I will agree it is about two things - money and power. And neither of those two things has the American people in mind.
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When is anything done in the political arena not done for power and money?
Thursday January 10 @ 17:00 Pacific time: Senate met today but couldn't come up with anything, so no paychecks tomorrow for federal employees, including agents of the FBI.
No money for wall this week. No money for wall next week. No money for wall the week after.
It's not going to happen.
Get over it already.
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So walrus. "if it ain't Trump" ............... kindly educate me, give me a name .
all ears
Pep
Interesting look at perceived PAIN:
"IRS employee Krystle Kirkpatrick and her family, including her two children, ages 6 and 12, aren’t eating out, buying brand-name foods or getting drinks at the gas station. Her husband is working overtime in his job as a machinist to try to make up for her lost paycheck.:
The pain must be so horrible and hardships inconceivable being faced by the family .... OH think they gave up the cell phones ?
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When is anything done in the political arena not done for power and money?
Thursday January 10 @ 17:00 Pacific time: Senate met today but couldn't come up with anything, so no paychecks tomorrow for federal employees, including agents of the FBI.
No money for wall this week. No money for wall next week. No money for wall the week after.
It's not going to happen.
Get over it already.
So Pelosi/Schumer can't find one lousy penny out of every $10 of government spending to pay for a security wall? I don't believe it. The money can be found, it's just they don't want to let Trump have a victory. If the President went on TV twice a week and said this, those furloughed people would be frying the phones lines to Congress saying give him the penny already and let us go back to work.
My opinion anyways.
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JANUARY 10, 2019
Instead of building a border wall to protect the United States from invaders, Nancy Pelosi wants to “repair” the roads so migrants will use those instead.
During a press conference today, the House Speaker told reporters she wants to increase “scanning” technology to scrutinize cars coming over the border.
“Repair the roads to facilitate immigration and trade in those regions,” she proposed.
That’s about as batty an idea as another she had to stymie illegal immigration: cutting the grass near the border to spot illegals lurking in the weeds.
Last February, Pelosi proposed in an interview with The Arizona Republic to cut the grass along the border so illegal immigrants can’t sneak through.
“Do you think you can get House Democrats to support something that would result in the construction of something that isn’t already standing at this point, if it brought some assurance for the Dreamers?” congressional reporter Ronald Hansen asked.
“I’m not the wall’s biggest advocate in Congress, but I do know that representatives in the House and Senators in that body from the border areas have some serious objection to a wall. To a wall,” Pelosi stammered, suffering a face spasm. “Because they know how detrimental it can be to a community, to trade, to all the other aspects of a border.”
She continued, “But again, let’s sit down and talk this through and see what makes sense, not some commitment to a promise that we’re going to build a wall and Mexico is going to pay for it. That’s never going to happen.
“But let’s talk about where a more serious structure might be necessary, where fencing will do, or where mowing the grass so people can’t be smuggled through the grass, that’s something,” Pelosi said.
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It was so nice of CNN's Jim Acosta to prove Trump is right about the wall. Jim shot a selfie video in front of a section of the steel barrier on the border in Texas and commented how he didn't see anybody in the area trying to get over or through the barrier. He also said he saw no national emergency happening anywhere around him. He thought he was saying how a wall is unneeded when he was actually proving the barriers work as intended. That Jim is just not too bright for sure. Love it. ;D
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cnns-jim-acosta-mocked-for-accidently-proving-that-border-walls-work
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goodfellow, not sure what you are chuckling about we said the same thing. Basically, follow the money. Maybe it was my belief that Trump wont follow thru on immigration reform, that remains to be seen.
Pep, I have no idea what politician will have the backbone to so something about immigration. I fear their is no one.
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goodfellow, not sure what you are chuckling about we said the same thing. Basically, follow the money. Maybe it was my belief that Trump wont follow thru on immigration reform, that remains to be seen.
Pep, I have no idea what politician will have the backbone to so something about immigration. I fear their is no one.
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Not chuckling at your comment Walrus -- sorry it came across that way. My point was to second the fact that the MONEY in Washington has totally destroyed any semblance of common sense on both sides of the isle -- and not just recently, but for decades. The average tax paying American gets the shaft, while special interests get their pet projects approved under the guise of Politically Correct rhetoric.
Trump, for his many faults, is the first to point the finger at both parties and make the squirm by shedding light on their collective hypocrisy about border security.
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It was so nice of CNN's Jim Acosta to prove Trump is right about the wall. Jim shot a selfie video in front of a section of the steel barrier on the border in Texas and commented how he didn't see anybody in the area trying to get over or through the barrier. He also said he saw no national emergency happening anywhere around him. He thought he was saying how a wall is unneeded when he was actually proving the barriers work as intended. That Jim is just not too bright for sure. Love it. ;D
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cnns-jim-acosta-mocked-for-accidently-proving-that-border-walls-work
He didn't hang around the right spot. The wall section I worked on was built almost exactly like the McAllen section, at night the illegals would just walk around the end of the fence ::) Our government at work.
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Yesterday, 10 January 2019, while all the TV cameras, phones, in the hands of idiots moved stories of Federal employees (I'll not call them workers) croaking of starvation in the middle of Main Street because not even the Food Bank was open the Congress passed a Resolution awarding employees back pay for the extra vacation they are currently taking.
Just another screwing of the US Taxpayer.
Nobody is going to report the story though.
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Now I'm reading that there are people out there who are claiming that the sky is going to fall if the shutdown continues. An economic hellscape. Honestly I thought it would take longer before the fear-mongering started.
I think this is just another proof that the libs are getting scared. Nobody has pushed a shutdown like Trump is doing. In the past the libs outplayed the president. Now I'm not so sure. Sounds like the doomsayers about a "no-deal" brexit. All the fear mongering because parliament won't buy Theresa Mays "deal". So they're resorting to fear-mongering to try and spook the MP's into voting for a lousy deal. As I think the mainstream media and liberal pundits are doing with the shutdown.
All we need are those pennies, Nancy. ;D I mean how much have we blown on the F-35, the Zumwalt class destroyers with nothing to shoot cause the ammo went stratospheric, the Littoral-class money saving modular ships that aren't, ah, saving money, and $13 billion aircraft carriers with plane elevators that don't work. And they can't find any money for a lousy wall.
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A question occurred to me, How do the folks on the border feel about the wall? And I am not just talking about the folks here, the folks in general who are affected the most by illegals.
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From my experience (mostly with land owners) they where either all for it or hated it. The guys who owned and ranched right up to the rio hated it, in most cases the fence is a few hundred yard from the river. The guys who where more inland liked it, you would be amazed by how many illegals would be running across desert at night.
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Pope's salesman in the area ain't happy about the wall. Might cut off some of their relocation and Sec 8 housing income. His boss who lives behind a big wall don't like that.
January 10, 2019
The federal government has started surveying land along the border in Texas and announced plans to start construction next month. Rather than surrender their land, some property owners are digging in, vowing to reject buyout offers and preparing to fight the administration in court.
"You could give me a trillion dollars and I wouldn't take it," said Cavazos, whose land sits along the Rio Grande, the river separating the U.S. and Mexico in Texas. "It's not about money." Trump is scheduled to visit the border Thursday in McAllen, a city of 143,000 on the river.
Congress in March funded 33 miles (53 kilometers) of walls and fencing in Texas. The government has laid out plans that would cut across private land in the Rio Grande Valley. Those in the way include landowners who have lived in the valley for generations, environmental groups and a 19th century chapel.
Many have hired lawyers who are preparing to fight the government if, as expected, it moves to seize their land through eminent domain. The opposition will intensify if Democrats accede to the Trump administration's demand to build more than 215 new miles of wall, including 104 miles in the Rio Grande Valley and 55 miles near Laredo. Even a compromise solution to build "steel slats," as Trump has suggested, or more fencing of the kind that Democrats have previously supported would likely trigger more court cases and pushback in Texas.
Lawyers appear to be real happy!~
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This VERY rich woman lives near the Border.
She is perfectly clear on how she feels
https://www.facebook.com/NoMoreLibtards/videos/679605045752539/
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I live 70 miles from the border. So, while it's not next door, it's pretty close.
There's lots of activity that reeks of illegal immigration locally but the democratic-controlled city and county leaders cover it up, run interference, or ignore it. But if you look and observe you will see it.
The one conservative talk radio station got sold last month and so we no longer have any voice to counter the lame stream media. Their bias is so blatant even the Mrs. picks it up. You can't trust anything they say - they even manage to screw up the weather. :D
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Pope's salesman in the area ain't happy about the wall. Might cut off some of their relocation and Sec 8 housing income. His boss who lives behind a big wall don't like that.
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! The Catholic Church and many other religious organizations are making billions from the "illegal immigrant problem". These organizations take care and vouch for the immigrants once they get dropped off across the country by ICE. Once in your local communities it's the Catholic Church that bill the government for the care and service of these people. -- As Walrus says!! -- Follow the Money --
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I goggled the social cost of illegal aliens and one source said $135 billion annually. Likely an estimate from a conservative source so it may be high. I divided that by 375 million people (my guess at the US population) and came up with $360 per man, woman and child its costing us to have this problem. Family of 4 comes to $1440 a year cost of illegals. Subtract out those that don't pay any taxes or little taxes and the costs per family rise quickly.
So if average income is $72K a year (I don't know) that is working one week a year (gross) to pay for the illegals.
That puts it in perspective for me.
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I goggled the social cost of illegal aliens and one source said $135 billion annually. Likely an estimate from a conservative source so it may be high. I divided that by 375 million people (my guess at the US population) and came up with $360 per man, woman and child its costing us to have this problem. Family of 4 comes to $1440 a year cost of illegals. Subtract out those that don't pay any taxes or little taxes and the costs per family rise quickly.
So if average income is $72K a year (I don't know) that is working one week a year (gross) to pay for the illegals.
That puts it in perspective for me.
Does that include their "anchor babies"; i.e., once they deliver a spankin' new US Citizen on US soil? I'm sure the costs skyrocket once once you factor in the fact that the tax payer will have to pay for these kids for decades.
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Lets say, just to keep the math simple enough nobody needs to pull their socks off, Illegals only cost the US sucker taxpayer 100 Billion a year.
Trump is asking doe 5 Billion to build some of the WALL now. That's 5% (FIVE PERCENT for math challenged folks) or 1 stinking Nickle out of each and every Dollar Uncle Sucker spends out of my pocket.
The criminals in the manure digester atop Crapitall Hill in the Swamp led by Nancy PeeLousey & Chuckles say the WALL won't work. Nancy knows cause her mansion in Frisco, the city with $#!T maps is surrounded by a high wall, and her personal wall makes her an expert. There appears to be more $#!T on Nancy's side of her wall than there is on the public side.
Oddly, there is a section of wall that was lengthened from about 5 miles to roughly 56 miles, and since it didn't work, according to Nancy, border penetrations along that stretch of Border are down by 90%±.
So, without even pulling my shoes off I can make a projection. 90% reduction in arriving Undocumented Democraps on a 56 mile stretch of Border = minimally 50% reduction in UDs sucking welfare Dollars. Next step requires all my fingers, but less welfare collectors = LESS Dollars spent and that means the WALL is a profit rather than a cost. I bet if I pulled my boots off I could figure out how the WALL will be a superior return on investment than paved streets that only exist in Frisco from the Airport to Nancy's MANSION.
Another question comes to mind, in 2015 Team Blue, who don't like being called Democraps any more held a Convention in Sh!tcago Right there on network TV with my very own eyes I saw miles of steel barricades to KEEP PEOPLE OUT of the Convict center. They also had a lot of big armed guards. The only way anyone penetrated that barrier was with proper photo ID.
Why did Team Blue put up all that barrier if walls don't work?
WHY was photo ID required to get beyond that barrier if photo ID isn't necessary to vote?
Just wondering?
I won't even ask how much kickback Chuck and Nancy get on resettlement contracts from Jewish Charity and the Catlick church.
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Forbes article put health care at 18.5 Billion
https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2018/02/26/how-american-citizens-finance-health-care-for-undocumented-immigrants/#113169ea12c4
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People who have not lived in a barrio full of illegals don't have a clue what it is truly like. The wife and I lived at her shop for 6 years which was in the heart of the barrio in East L.A.. I wish Chuck and Nancy could spend a night there to enjoy the atmosphere. Lying in bed listening to the gunshots and police helicopters at night, dealing with the gangbangers who are vandalizing your building with graffiti and the trash and containers of used oil and other items dumped on your street and sidewalk daily and nightly. They would be running fast back to their high walled mansions with their bodyguards. The police also told me to carry locked and loaded at all times even though it is not legal.
The neighbors next door told me how they received $2500 a year for each kid they had. Also the EBT, WIC and SNAP programs let them eat pretty darn good with healthcare provided by free clinics or the ER.
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^ well.... that's all fine and well, but it isn't going to change anything.
this is Politics 101. there is no way Donald Trump gets anything from a Democrat-controlled Congress for the next two years.
remember Barack Obama and Mitch McConnell and the Republican majority Senate?
same/same.
what comes around goes around.
Trump gets nothing from Congress for two years. doesn't matter what it is, the answer is going to be a resounding NO.
there is no way they're going to buckle under on this deal, because Trump would believe he can pull this bullshit any time and get what he wants.
enjoy!
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Forbes article put health care at 18.5 Billion
https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2018/02/26/how-american-citizens-finance-health-care-for-undocumented-immigrants/#113169ea12c4
I'd tend, without taking my shoes off, to call that number a little low.
The Feds have a very cute habit of settting rules and shoving the bill off to State & County tax bills to hide the true cost.
I just happen to have my County tax bill handy so I can finish puking and then pay it. 46% of County taxes are spent on Medicaid and other benefits. 16.5% is Medicaid.
I'll be dropping my low price made in China Generic calming pill now. Naturally Medicaid people get the top line made in US pills that really work, but who am I to complain?
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Amen DeadNutz,
I'm out of Miami, 87 it's a 3rd world country. Anyone that has never lived in a city and seen what a frigging invasion looks like has a zero clue.
Miami ... Mariel boat lift, Jimmy carter goes to the beach welcomes the boat people. Flies back to DC after the photos ............. 3 months later. Bugger King reefers are parked next to the city morgue. No place to put the bodies.
Folks once made fun of the locals for complaining about cubans. But here we are 2019 and seems that all of a sudden. When this shit is in their backyards, cities and state it is a problem ..
Funny how that works, is it not? I could say I have the last laugh here but this shit ain't funny. And people need and better wise up
@ Walrus,
I do not know if President Trump can fix it myself, but what I do know .... it's a start. We got to suck it up and start acting like adults and protect America. For crying our loud we have lost English as the primary language of the country ....
MELDING POT, others come here to learn our way of life and MELD into the socitiy. It is ass backwards right now. We change for every other country .. and now no country just a landfill.
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^ well.... that's all fine and well, but it isn't going to change anything.
Trump gets nothing from Congress for two years. doesn't matter what it is, the answer is going to be a resounding NO.
there is no way they're going to buckle under on this deal, because Trump would believe he can pull this bullshit any time and get what he wants.
enjoy!
So you truly believe Trump is pulling bullshit rather than trying to improve our national security?
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^ well.... that's all fine and well, but it isn't going to change anything.
Trump gets nothing from Congress for two years. doesn't matter what it is, the answer is going to be a resounding NO.
there is no way they're going to buckle under on this deal, because Trump would believe he can pull this bullshit any time and get what he wants.
enjoy!
So you truly believe Trump is pulling bullshit rather than trying to improve our national security?
No I think he means that the Dems don't give a rip about anything but their agenda and saving face. Trump could cure cancer and give every American $1000 and they'd still hate him. They won't give him a win, even if it means destroying the country.
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love this NYT story just breaking that the FBI has been investigating Trump to see if he's been working for the Russians.
wonder what shiny object he'll be tossing out tomorrow morning on Twitter to try to distract attention away from that one?
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^ well.... that's all fine and well, but it isn't going to change anything.
this is Politics 101. there is no way Donald Trump gets anything from a Democrat-controlled Congress for the next two years.
remember Barack Obama and Mitch McConnell and the Republican majority Senate?
same/same.
what comes around goes around.
Trump gets nothing from Congress for two years. doesn't matter what it is, the answer is going to be a resounding NO.
there is no way they're going to buckle under on this deal, because Trump would believe he can pull this bullshit any time and get what he wants.
enjoy!
I'll agree that the Democrats wont cave to Trumps wall regardless of what goes on. That's why I hope Trumps shuts the government down for a year if necessary. Partisan politics is killing this country Eventually someones going to have to break partisan politics back. Why not Trump, Why not now.
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love this NYT story just breaking that the FBI has been investigating Trump to see if he's been working for the Russians.
wonder what shiny object he'll be tossing out tomorrow morning on Twitter to try to distract attention away from that one?
We all know that the NYT is THE place for factual accurate news. :))
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love this NYT story just breaking that the FBI has been investigating Trump to see if he's been working for the Russians.
wonder what shiny object he'll be tossing out tomorrow morning on Twitter to try to distract attention away from that one?
It's pretty obvious what propaganda you fall for.
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AOC
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AOC for POTUS. I don't know whether to laugh or scream! :D :-\
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AOC for POTUS. I don't know whether to laugh or scream! :D :-\
I can see that happening. AOC and Beto are the stars of the young democrats.
Beto sure screwed the Castro Brothers. They've been playing the politics game for several years and Beto blindsides them in the popularity game. ;D
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^ well.... that's all fine and well, but it isn't going to change anything.
Trump gets nothing from Congress for two years. doesn't matter what it is, the answer is going to be a resounding NO.
there is no way they're going to buckle under on this deal, because Trump would believe he can pull this bullshit any time and get what he wants.
enjoy!
So you truly believe Trump is pulling bullshit rather than trying to improve our national security?
No I think he means that the Dems don't give a rip about anything but their agenda and saving face. Trump could cure cancer and give every American $1000 and they'd still hate him. They won't give him a win, even if it means destroying the country.
Was that any different when Obama was president?
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I've tried really hard to comprehend why there's so many people who want what will destroy the country. All I can come up with are spiritual reasons. And nobody really wants to talk about those, so I work toward helping those I can while I can. That's what I think everybody should do. Do what you can where you're at with what you've got.
And I think President Trump is also doing that. Perfectly? No. Everything I want or as I think they should be? No. But he's made some good moves in several key areas, and I hope he keeps it up.
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I cant disagree that the Dems are pulling the same thing The GOP did with Obammy. That's the problem, partisan politics over all else. forget whats good for the people its now whats good for the party. I didn't like it then and don't like it now.
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I cant disagree that the Dems are pulling the same thing The GOP did with Obammy. That's the problem, partisan politics over all else. forget whats good for the people its now whats good for the party. I didn't like it then and don't like it now.
Yes and no. The country didn't want Obamacare, numerous polls proved it at the time, but the democrats pushed it through anyway and the media hailed it as the best thing ever.
When the country is clamoring for legislation the democrats are pushing in the House, and the Senate and Trump are absolutely refusing it, then that argument will have some merit.
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^ well.... that's all fine and well, but it isn't going to change anything.
Trump gets nothing from Congress for two years. doesn't matter what it is, the answer is going to be a resounding NO.
there is no way they're going to buckle under on this deal, because Trump would believe he can pull this bullshit any time and get what he wants.
enjoy!
So you truly believe Trump is pulling bullshit rather than trying to improve our national security?
No I think he means that the Dems don't give a rip about anything but their agenda and saving face. Trump could cure cancer and give every American $1000 and they'd still hate him. They won't give him a win, even if it means destroying the country.
Was that any different when Obama was president?
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Obama was anti American and worked daily to tear this country down brick by brick. Worst POTUS ever.
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^ well.... that's all fine and well, but it isn't going to change anything.
Trump gets nothing from Congress for two years. doesn't matter what it is, the answer is going to be a resounding NO.
there is no way they're going to buckle under on this deal, because Trump would believe he can pull this bullshit any time and get what he wants.
enjoy!
So you truly believe Trump is pulling bullshit rather than trying to improve our national security?
No I think he means that the Dems don't give a rip about anything but their agenda and saving face. Trump could cure cancer and give every American $1000 and they'd still hate him. They won't give him a win, even if it means destroying the country.
Was that any different when Obama was president?
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Obama was anti American and worked daily to tear this country down brick by brick. Worst POTUS ever.
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why are you editing my post? Get your own post to edit ;D
Sorry, that happened by accident. I mistakenly slipped my post in before the end of your message, like I said, totally by accident. I fixed that.
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I see that the shutdown isn't affecting the Congressional Hispanic Caucus to severely. 30 something of them traveled by a charter 737 along with over 100 lobbyists to Puerto Rico for the weekend. They attended the Hamilton play and are lounging on the beach.
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I see that the shutdown isn't affecting the Congressional Hispanic Caucus to severely. 30 something of them traveled by a charter 737 along with over 100 lobbyists to Puerto Rico for the weekend. They attended the Hamilton play and are lounging on the beach.
Can President Trump sign an executive order to keep them there?! :))
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I agree with those who said partisan politics is destroying the country. You know the Democrats used to have a conservative wing. Certainly not anymore.
The Repubs have the far right but there are enough Rinos to keep them closer to the center IMO.
Time for a 3rd party that isn't wacko but close to the center
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I see that the shutdown isn't affecting the Congressional Hispanic Caucus to severely. 30 something of them traveled by a charter 737 along with over 100 lobbyists to Puerto Rico for the weekend. They attended the Hamilton play and are lounging on the beach.
Can President Trump sign an executive order to keep them there?! :))
Sure, but a liberal court judge will put a stay on it the very next day! Seems like Trump can't do or try anything without a liberal judge stopping it.
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There remains the QUESTION; Can a bottom of the Judicial bucket Federal Judge Order the President to do or not do anything?
Looking to History the Courts stayed out of the President's business from the time FDR told SCOTUS to order whatever they wanted, and he hoped their Supreme Court Police could enforce the order, until Nixon caved and the Courts began to grab more and more power.
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IAFF is now stepping up to the plate leaving no opportunity unused.
Union power to the max and all that fecal load with a lead into the 2019 why it burned excuse cabinet.
Nice work boys, all the fine students miseducated by your brothers & sisters in the NEA Union might buy it and blame Trump.
"WASHINGTON — Training has been halted for thousands of western firefighters. The U.S. Forest Service can’t let contracts for needed equipment. In forests across the West, no federal employees are doing work to reduce dry “fuel” that feeds catastrophic blazes."
The swill continues at
https://www.firerescue1.com/urban-interface/articles/393290018-Federal-shutdown-has-halted-wildland-firefighter-training-other-wildfire-prep/?NewsletterID=866614&utm_source=MailChimp&utm_medium=email&utm_content=TopNewsMainTitle&utm_campaign=FR1Member&cub_id=*|CUB_ID|*
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I made the mistake of tuning the radio to npr. They were saying that the average black American has $5 to every $100 that whitey has and then went on to starting to complain that the black government workers were hurting because of Trump.
Talk about reaching.. trying to make it a racial problem. Job for job color makes no difference in the take home check so whitey would be hurting just the same.
Made me sick.
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I made the mistake of tuning the radio to npr. They were saying that the average black American has $5 to every $100 that whitey has and then went on to starting to complain that the black government workers were hurting because of Trump.
Talk about reaching.. trying to make it a racial problem. Job for job color makes no difference in the take home check so whitey would be hurting just the same.
Made me sick.
Typical liberal race-baiting propaganda.
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Throwing out the racism card for everything hurts when racism happens for real which I have witnessed.
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I made the mistake of tuning the radio to npr. They were saying that the average black American has $5 to every $100 that whitey has and then went on to starting to complain that the black government workers were hurting because of Trump.
Talk about reaching.. trying to make it a racial problem. Job for job color makes no difference in the take home check so whitey would be hurting just the same.
Made me sick.
There is prejudice in this country, and it is based on color.
And the color is green.
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Right , I ve always hated that Gazoo bastard.
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I made the mistake of tuning the radio to npr. They were saying that the average black American has $5 to every $100 that whitey has and then went on to starting to complain that the black government workers were hurting because of Trump.
Talk about reaching.. trying to make it a racial problem. Job for job color makes no difference in the take home check so whitey would be hurting just the same.
Made me sick.
National Propaganda Radio. NPR is disgusting and should be stripped of the federal funding those leaches suck from the public trough.
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Picked this up on a Yahoo site. Seems Leslie is a truth teller.
THE BELOW COMMENT WAS FROM LESLIE::::::::::::::::::
I am a woman, and every day the government remains closed is a great one in my books. Here is a great summary why - As one of the senior officials working without a paycheck, a few words of advice for the president’s next move at shuttered government agencies: lock the doors, sell the furniture, and cut them down.
Federal employees are starting to feel the strain of the shutdown. I am one of them. But for the sake of our nation, I hope it lasts a very long time, till the government is changed and can never return to its previous form.
The lapse in appropriations is more than a battle over a wall. It is an opportunity to strip wasteful government agencies for good.
On an average day, roughly 15 percent of the employees around me are exceptional patriots serving their country. I wish I could give competitive salaries to them and no one else. But 80 percent feel no pressure to produce results. If they don’t feel like doing what they are told, they don’t.
Why would they? We can’t fire them. They avoid attention, plan their weekend, schedule vacation, their second job, their next position — some do this in the same position for more than a decade. (RELATED: EPA Employees Who Watched Porn, Harassed Women And Got Promoted)
They do nothing that warrants punishment and nothing of external value. That is their workday: errands for the sake of errands — administering, refining, following and collaborating on process. “Process is your friend” is what delusional civil servants tell themselves. Even senior officials must gain approval from every rank across their department, other agencies and work units for basic administrative chores.
Process is what we serve, process keeps us safe, process is our core value. It takes a lot of people to maintain the process. Process provides jobs. In fact, there are process experts and certified process managers who protect the process. Then there are the 5 percent with moxy (career managers). At any given time they can change, clarify or add to the process — even to distort or block policy counsel for the president.
Saboteurs peddling opinion as research, tasking their staff on pet projects or pitching wasteful grants to their friends. Most of my career colleagues actively work against the president’s agenda. This means I typically spend about 15 percent of my time on the president’s agenda and 85 percent of my time trying to stop sabotage, and we have no power to get rid of them. Until the shutdown.
Due to the lack of funding, many federal agencies are now operating more effectively from the top down on a fraction of their workforce, with only select essential personnel serving national security tasks. One might think this is how government should function, but bureaucracies operate from the bottom up — a collective of self-generated ideas. Ideas become initiatives, formalize into offices, they seek funds from Congress and become bureaus or sub-agencies, and maybe one day grow to be their own independent agency, like ours. The nature of a big administrative bureaucracy is to grow to serve itself. I watch it and fight it daily. (RELATED: Remember When Obama And Clinton Shut Down Government For Their Own Pet Projects?)
When the agency is full, employees held liable for poor performance respond with threats, lawsuits, complaints and process in at least a dozen offices, taking years of mounting paperwork with no fear of accountability, extending their careers, while no real work is done. Do we succumb to such extortion? Yes. We pay them settlements, we waive bad reviews, and we promote them.
Many government agencies have adopted the position that more complaints are good because it shows inclusion in, you guessed it, the process. When complaints come, it is cheaper to pay them off than to hold public servants accountable. The result: People accused of serious offenses are not charged, and self-proclaimed victims are paid by you, the American taxpayer.
The message to federal supervisors is clear. Maintain the status quo, or face allegations. Many federal employees truly believe that doing tasks more efficiently and cutting out waste, by closing troubled programs instead of expanding them, “is morally wrong,” as one cried to me.
I get it. These are their pets. It is tough to put them down and let go, and many resist. This phenomenon was best summed up by a colleague who said, “The goal in government is to do nothing. If you try to get things done, that’s when you will run into trouble.”
But President Trump can end this abuse. Senior officials can reprioritize during an extended shutdown, focus on valuable results and weed out the saboteurs. We do not want most employees to return, because we are working better without them. Sure, we empathize with families making tough financial decisions, like mine, and just like private citizens who have to find other work and bring competitive value every day, while paying more than a third of their salary in federal taxes.
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Picked this up on a Yahoo site. Seems Leslie is a truth teller.
THE BELOW COMMENT WAS FROM LESLIE::::::::::::::::::
I am a woman, and every day the government remains closed is a great one in my books. Here is a great summary why - As one of the senior officials working without a paycheck, a few words of advice for the president’s next move at shuttered government agencies: lock the doors, sell the furniture, and cut them down.
Federal employees are starting to feel the strain of the shutdown. I am one of them. But for the sake of our nation, I hope it lasts a very long time, till the government is changed and can never return to its previous form.
The lapse in appropriations is more than a battle over a wall. It is an opportunity to strip wasteful government agencies for good.
On an average day, roughly 15 percent of the employees around me are exceptional patriots serving their country. I wish I could give competitive salaries to them and no one else. But 80 percent feel no pressure to produce results. If they don’t feel like doing what they are told, they don’t.
Why would they? We can’t fire them. They avoid attention, plan their weekend, schedule vacation, their second job, their next position — some do this in the same position for more than a decade. (RELATED: EPA Employees Who Watched Porn, Harassed Women And Got Promoted)
They do nothing that warrants punishment and nothing of external value. That is their workday: errands for the sake of errands — administering, refining, following and collaborating on process. “Process is your friend” is what delusional civil servants tell themselves. Even senior officials must gain approval from every rank across their department, other agencies and work units for basic administrative chores.
Process is what we serve, process keeps us safe, process is our core value. It takes a lot of people to maintain the process. Process provides jobs. In fact, there are process experts and certified process managers who protect the process. Then there are the 5 percent with moxy (career managers). At any given time they can change, clarify or add to the process — even to distort or block policy counsel for the president.
Saboteurs peddling opinion as research, tasking their staff on pet projects or pitching wasteful grants to their friends. Most of my career colleagues actively work against the president’s agenda. This means I typically spend about 15 percent of my time on the president’s agenda and 85 percent of my time trying to stop sabotage, and we have no power to get rid of them. Until the shutdown.
Due to the lack of funding, many federal agencies are now operating more effectively from the top down on a fraction of their workforce, with only select essential personnel serving national security tasks. One might think this is how government should function, but bureaucracies operate from the bottom up — a collective of self-generated ideas. Ideas become initiatives, formalize into offices, they seek funds from Congress and become bureaus or sub-agencies, and maybe one day grow to be their own independent agency, like ours. The nature of a big administrative bureaucracy is to grow to serve itself. I watch it and fight it daily. (RELATED: Remember When Obama And Clinton Shut Down Government For Their Own Pet Projects?)
When the agency is full, employees held liable for poor performance respond with threats, lawsuits, complaints and process in at least a dozen offices, taking years of mounting paperwork with no fear of accountability, extending their careers, while no real work is done. Do we succumb to such extortion? Yes. We pay them settlements, we waive bad reviews, and we promote them.
Many government agencies have adopted the position that more complaints are good because it shows inclusion in, you guessed it, the process. When complaints come, it is cheaper to pay them off than to hold public servants accountable. The result: People accused of serious offenses are not charged, and self-proclaimed victims are paid by you, the American taxpayer.
The message to federal supervisors is clear. Maintain the status quo, or face allegations. Many federal employees truly believe that doing tasks more efficiently and cutting out waste, by closing troubled programs instead of expanding them, “is morally wrong,” as one cried to me.
I get it. These are their pets. It is tough to put them down and let go, and many resist. This phenomenon was best summed up by a colleague who said, “The goal in government is to do nothing. If you try to get things done, that’s when you will run into trouble.”
But President Trump can end this abuse. Senior officials can reprioritize during an extended shutdown, focus on valuable results and weed out the saboteurs. We do not want most employees to return, because we are working better without them. Sure, we empathize with families making tough financial decisions, like mine, and just like private citizens who have to find other work and bring competitive value every day, while paying more than a third of their salary in federal taxes.
What makes senior officails better than any other govt employee? The answer, they aren't
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A positive affect seen..... hello ! are my bags on board?
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^^^^That's funny but as a side note, looks like that stair case is overloaded. Apparently its made quite well
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A positive affect seen..... hello ! are my bags on board?
Pelosi: "The constitution says I have as much power as the president!"
Woody Woodpeckers response: :)) :)) :))
The old hag could have still gone on the trip - if she picked up the tab. But, as is painfully visible, she's just a leech.
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All people should be outraged that she wanted to leave the country for 7 days during this shutdown. Stay home and fix the problem Congress. But wait, it is all Trump's fault. ::)
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She still could have gone - if she paid for the trip herself.
Someone on another forum asked why didn't she use her broom? I figure the shutdown has all of her ground maintenance monkees furloughed - no money for bananas! :D
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Trump said Pelosi could always fly commercial. Of course he knows she's never do that and have to mingle with the "great unwashed"
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Trump said Pelosi could always fly commercial. Of course he knows she's never do that and have to mingle with the "great unwashed"
I think the other way around: who would want to sit next to Pelosi for 6 hours on a plane? :-\
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Damn Demorats!!!! Pelosi and Shumer are true Soviet style DEMOCRATS.
Hope they get their true Republican punishment from the Republicans.
Yes,,,my political beliefs are to the RIGHT of Atilla the Hun.