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Offline jabberwoki

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Seattle is dying
« on: March 27, 2019, 07:53:29 PM »

This is a great documentary well worth 55 mins of your time.
Grab a beverage get comfortable and watch.
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Re: Seattle is dying
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2019, 07:56:26 PM »
Portland OR is in the same boat -- and East LA is even worse.

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Re: Seattle is dying
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2019, 09:29:56 PM »
Sorry to say the degradation is most everywhere and accelerating. When I read about people crapping on the streets in SF I knew it was beyond bad.

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Re: Seattle is dying
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2019, 09:42:58 PM »
Thanks for posting that jabber. That is the first truthful no-holds barred reporting on the subject I have seen. Reno has much the same problems but on a smaller scale. We don't have those problems in our county due to very fine police work and county commissioners who won't let that happen. I know we have homeless people here but they are not visible. Part of the problem is the housing situation. People come here for good jobs and then can't find a place to rent except for a motel. The biggest RV park is full year around where as it used to be snowbirds mainly.

Frankly the problems like Seattle rest with the liberals in charge who think throwing money at the problem will solve it. It actually creates more of a problem as word gets out and those addicts will flock to that place for the freebies.

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Re: Seattle is dying
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2019, 09:49:30 AM »
That video was pretty shocking. You think the camps are here and there and just a few then you see whole areas covered. Yikes!

I hate to break it to them but they're wrong on the causes. It's not a housing problem, it's not a drug problem, and it's not a disease that needs medication. It's a spiritual problem!
At it's base it's a disconnect between people and God. If that relationship ain't right, everything else is off-kilter. If that connection is right then everything else will come into alignment. What do we expect? When we teach people that they developed from blobs of goo that crawled up out of the ocean, that they're not special, that life is meaningless, that anything goes, that there's no right and wrong, do what you want, there are no consequences for anything, then people start doing all the lunatic stuff that they're doing.
Babies aren't human, so we can abort them whenever it's convenient - even after they're born. Why get married and have children and put up with all that when we can just sleep around and bail when it gets hard or boring. Stealing ain't wrong - if you've got something I want and I'm stronger then I'll beat you up for it. Drugs make you feel good, it's my body - my choice, I can do what I want. And if I end up in a doorway homeless, well, homelessness isn't a crime and - if I need to relieve myself - well then I will. All of these are symptoms of a lost soul.

We shouldn't be feeding their drug habit with free needles. I grew up in the 70's drug culture, and I know all about the "wonderful" effects of drugs. I've lost friends and co-workers to stupidity and drunk driving, one guy being in a wreck so bad he had to have a closed casket funeral because his body was like hamburger. Drugs KILL! We need to detox these people, and get them into recovery where they learn that God loves them, that they're special and unique, and that God has a plan for their lives that is not living in the gutter.
OK, if people are so bad they need some medications to help stabilize them for a time then so be it. But it shouldn't be a endless situation. That's merely switching their addiction from one chemical to another. They're still dependent on a drug! Renovation from the inside out is the only way to permanently change lives.
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Re: Seattle is dying
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2019, 05:27:51 AM »
get them into recovery where they learn that God loves them, that they're special and unique, and that God has a plan for their lives that is not living in the gutter.
OK, if people are so bad they need some medications to help stabilize them for a time then so be it. But it shouldn't be a endless situation. That's merely switching their addiction from one chemical to another. They're still dependent on a drug! Renovation from the inside out is the only way to permanently change lives.
You think telling them God loves them cures mental illness?

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Re: Seattle is dying
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2019, 05:48:54 AM »
I've seen it be more effective then the drug cocktail of the moment.
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Re: Seattle is dying
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2019, 10:48:57 AM »
get them into recovery where they learn that God loves them, that they're special and unique, and that God has a plan for their lives that is not living in the gutter.
OK, if people are so bad they need some medications to help stabilize them for a time then so be it. But it shouldn't be a endless situation. That's merely switching their addiction from one chemical to another. They're still dependent on a drug! Renovation from the inside out is the only way to permanently change lives.
You think telling them God loves them cures mental illness?

No, it's not that simplistic. Decades of addiction, illness, and physical and mental abuse isn't erased overnight. But merely switching their dependence from one opioid to another isn't the answer. 
I remember reading about methadone in the 1970's. It was great for getting heroin addicts off of the heroin but then there were stories of getting addicted to methadone. I don't recall what they did then, but obviously going from one "drug" to another isn't the answer.
People finding God is the realization of part of what we humans were designed for. When God created us He made this special part deep inside of us that only He can fill. We all have it, we all know it's there, we all have this yearning to "fill" that empty space. We can't exactly describe it, but we all feel it's presence. (I'm sure any of you who are reading this can understand what I'm saying). And we try EVERYTHING to fill it - except God. It's why people get addicted to drugs, alcohol, gambling, sex, work, careers, adrenaline, groupies, you name it. Complusive disorders - even dangerous and lethal ones - fill volumes. We're not fulfilled and complete until that space is filled. Just look at how focused druggies are on getting their fix. It's a chemical and biological drive to get that object, whatever it is. There's an almost religious fervor about it. They don't care what it takes, if it's legal or not, if it's poisonous or not - they just have to get it! I think a large part of religious cults and false religions zero in on this truth. I mean, how else do you get Muslim young people to strap a bomb to their bodies and blow themselves up along with hundreds of innocent people?
Well, when people turn to God, He supernaturally comes in and fills that space. Our journey, our efforts to fill that void, finding our place in the world, finding fulfillment and completion are all answered. Does that mean all of our problems just vanish? Nope. Does it mean we can just sit back and enjoy the ride? Nah-a. Does this one act totally undue everything destructive we've done up to that point? No, though in some cases it can. Our lives become a time of serving God and helping others, rather than just satisfying our own needs.
And this process shows visible results. Just like you can read the tell-tale signs of a drug addict, you can almost always tell a soul that is consumed by God. Drugs and compulsive behaviors have effects on the body. So does spiritual devotion.

Part of the program depicted in the video touched on some of these points. Counseling, group discussion, chemical stabilization, re-training and community connection are solid, helpful techniques. I'm just skeptical of the lasting results if they don't address the spiritual components.
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Re: Seattle is dying
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2019, 04:49:31 PM »
Bonneyman, well stated.

I am familiar with  and support several Christian based recovery programs.  All have a good deal of success getting people out of their active addiction and changing their lives by establishing a relationship with Jesus.  I have seen horrible lives changed.  I have heard testimony after testimony of folks at a low point we can't imagine, or an upbringing we couldn't phantom get out of the addiction cycle and lead normal lives.  It ain't easy, it ain't perfect, needs to be worked on everyday but God can and does change lives. 

Every 12 step program I know of depends on acknowledging a power higher then ourselves for healing, though they don't require it to be God as Christians and Jews know.   But that certainly affirms what Bman was saying about an empty space inside.

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Re: Seattle is dying
« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2019, 10:42:35 PM »
Well, that didn't take long.....

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-05/medieval-diseases-are-making-comeback-its-public-health-crisis

Medieval diseaeses - one we haven't seen in a long time and are unprepared to treat (both societally and medically) are experiencing a resurgence in homeless camps (and illegal alien holding regions). And microbes don't respect public "boundaries". So now it's not just Seattle or other cities that are in danger of dying - whole populations are, too.

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Re: Seattle is dying
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2019, 09:48:57 AM »
That's a good point, I can see that totally happening. I think the situation up here is about to hit boiling point.
If the repubs can get a strong candidate there just might be a chance for a bit of balance here. Outside chance but you can only hope.
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Re: Seattle is dying
« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2019, 12:52:47 PM »
That's a good point, I can see that totally happening. I think the situation up here is about to hit boiling point.
If the repubs can get a strong candidate there just might be a chance for a bit of balance here. Outside chance but you can only hope.

I've thought that here to the south as well, but was proven wrong last 2 governor races. R ran the most moderate, borderline RINO, candidates they could. The current governor is a socialist fascist with an agenda to criminalize average people for nothing and bankrupt the state in the process. The vote wasn't even close. Three counties overwhelmed the popular vote sealing another term for her. The snowflakes of the big city (PDX) just blindly vote D no matter what. They pay no attention to the actual government process and all the garbage legislation being driven by their unstoppable Blue Wave. No OR is 2/3+ majority D and there is no balance in the legislature. Anything they want gets through, and if it doesn't, the gov just does it with straight "emergency" executive order. This boy isn't sure of the future for the PNW. It's like a car speeding for the edge of a cliff, and all you can do is sit back and hold on.

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Re: Seattle is dying
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2019, 03:29:57 PM »
I, too, think it's past the voting stage. When one group gets a supermajority then they ram stuff through because they can, regardless of what the minority says (or the people say). If homeless were building up outside their mansions they might stop and notice (of course in San Fran the rich just voted down the new homeless camp in their backyard). It's the nuclear power plant syndrome - "Yeah we need the power.....but not in my backyard". (My wife just told me they are using that as an acronym now - the NIMBY's).  :-[ :-[

Look, I believe in personal rights. But along with that goes personal responsibility. Can't have one without the other. If you try and separate those two sides of the same coin you basically destroy the coin! The drug addictions are leading to very sick people who neither realize nor care what the result of their actions are. Forget the inconvenience, the smell, the thefts, the assaults, the pan handling - we're talking about infectious diseases. Some of them with no commercial cure! Who is willing to stand by and let their kids and loved ones get (even accidentally) infected?  Society will have to isolate them.
It is a slippery slope - it is not polite - it is a terrible thing to have to do, but if a group is fostering disease and won't deal with it then they will have to be dealt with by others. In Biblical time lepers were made to live apart. In modern times lepers were sent to Maui. There was no way to treat the disease, so in order to prevent whole populations from being infected those poor souls had to be isolated.
People might revolt against this idea. "What if you are in the next group deemed to be a threat to society"? I am fully aware of that possibility, and yes, probability. Christians have always been targeted because of their "inconvenient" beliefs. Like I said - it's a slippery slope. The chances - the certainty - that the power will be abused can't prevent us from doing what we can to save lives now.
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Re: Seattle is dying
« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2019, 09:44:28 AM »
Well, I guess San Frans plan ain't working out so well. Just steam cleaning the streets and passing out free needles isn't helping the problem- it's only making it worse!

Sounds like someone is finally beginning to realize that cleaning the same section of street 4 or 5 times a day isn't a solution.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/philmatier/article/Cleaning-up-SF-s-Tenderloin-costs-a-lot-of-13808447.php

And even though the needle return rate is only about 63%, they want to increase the number of needles given out to around 12 million a year.
https://www.sfexaminer.com/the-city/city-increases-efforts-to-collect-used-needles-as-part-of-needle-exchange-program/

Obviously just dealing with the symptoms and "painting" over the visible effects and throwing millions of taxpayer dollars at the problem isn't fixing anything. And with the homeless now beginning to inundate the airport, the first thing visitors see when they come to the city is blight and broken human beings. Can't see how that's going to be good for tourism!
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-19/homeless-people-descending-sfo-temporary-shelter

And the CDC is worried about a measles outbreak, while chronically homeless people living at an international airport with who-knows-what diseases are overlooked? Giving speeches and throwing money at the problem isn't working. How long until they start getting real?

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Re: Seattle is dying
« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2019, 04:39:17 PM »
They bulldozed the "out in the open" camps here a few years ago.