If you don't love America get out!

[bonneyman]

President Trump couldn't have said it better!

Every one has gripes, things they don't like, vents every once in a while, puts their foot in their mouth. Nobody's perfect. But if you're going to say Al Quaeda is great and America is lousy, then pack up and get the heck out!
"America was never that great!" Then why the heck did you immigrate here? "The detention centers on the border are concentration camps!" ' Mike pence was like Himmler!" Then go the heck back where you came from! If America is "so bad" then leave. Nobody has a gun to your head keeping you here.   

[Elroy]

President Trump couldn't have said it better!

Elroy is lovin it. Clear and to the point with one little correction as detailed below

if you're going to say Al Quaeda is great and America is lousy, then pack up and get the hell out!

[DeadNutz]

Good points above but let me add that if you don't like America then leave but don't try to turn this country into what you left to come here especially you 3rd worlders.

[Lookin4_67GalaxieConv]

I'd love to send Omar and Tlaib on a rocketship back to one of those great Islamic countries who think it's about 700 A.D.

[bonneyman]

So many people are saying that what the president said was "racist". He didn't mention race, heck, he didn't even mention the names of who he was referring to. THEY spoke up with guilty consciences, THEY said it was about women of color, not Trump.

Look, I don't care what color you are, what sex you are, what style of clothes you wear, what school you went to, etc. etc. I listen to what you say and watch how you act and respond accordingly. If you don't love America, if you don't feel that you're blessed being here, if you're not willing to defend her and the freedoms she provides then you have no business being here. You certainly don't deserve to be a tax-payer funded representative making laws for everyone. Do I mean to say that the U.S, is perfect, without flaws, and never makes a mistake? Gosh no! We have certainly got our bad decisions and glaring blunders. But no where else on earth do people have the freedoms and blessings that they have here, albeit with some flaws. Lets work on reducing the flaws, not throwing out the whole country.

The squad of 4 are Americans. Well, they are either natural born or naturalized citizens. So, technically they are entitled to the same rights and privileges as anybody else. They have the right to speak up and address problems that they see. But those problems are not all Trump! Omar is the most disturbing. You'd think being a refugee from Somalia (what a glorious hole that country is!) she'd KNOW what horrible is. She came here and became a citizen, you'd think she'd be the loudest pro-American voice out there. But no! She's the most un-grateful refugee I've ever heard speak from Congress. I don't think she should be kicked out because she's not an American or because she's annoying. She should be sent back to Somaliland to learn how good she had it here and maybe learn a lesson! True Americans went over there and fought and died to try and bring about some stability - then she gets to come here and bad-mouth our way of life on our dime? I don't think so.

And if someone calls that racist, then go pound sand.

[Rusty]

This

[bonneyman]

This

    Love it!

[ken w.]

"America was never that great!"
 This is from Governor Cuomo of NY.

[fatfillup]

Rusty, thst is great


I didn't care for Trump's tweet,   not very presidential.  I think saying they were disrespectful to Nancy was brilliant and quite true and should have stayed on that theme.

That said,  Trump loves the controversey and likes to fan the flames which he is doing quite well.

[m_fumich]

What did Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, George Washington, Benjamin Franklin,  Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, John Jay, and Samuel Adams do when they didn’t like the way things were in America? They didn’t leave. They changed it.


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[fatfillup]

What did Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, George Washington, Benjamin Franklin,  Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, John Jay, and Samuel Adams do when they didn’t like the way things were in America? They didn’t leave. They changed it.


They started a revolution and succeded from English rule.  I would say that is bit more then change.



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[m_fumich]

They started a revolution and succeded from English rule.  I would say that is bit more then change.

There are 17 amendments to the constitution post Bill of Rights. I’m sure there were people that said “If you don’t like America, you can leave” before each of them. If you don’t like America the way it is, work to change it. That’s the American way.


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[bonneyman]

Walked into the local watch repair place this morning to get the wife's watch looked at. All sorts of American flags, MAGA signs, and 2020 posters were on the walls. Complimented them, said I wish I had a MAGA hat to wear, but my verbal approval would have to suffice. They all laughed, and it started a conversation.
The owner said he had a woman customer recently had some work done on a watch, and the counter person accidentally charged her CC twice. She phoned about it. He said, "Sorry, mistakes happen. Come on back in and I'll run your card through and take off the extra charge". She said though she liked his service and liked his prices she didn't appreciate his propaganda, so wouldn't be coming back. "The propaganda?" he asked? Yes, the flags you have displayed!

The American flag is propaganda? Holy smokes we are in deep weeds!

[Lookin4_67GalaxieConv]

Walked into the local watch repair place this morning to get the wife's watch looked at. All sorts of American flags, MAGA signs, and 2020 posters were on the walls. Complimented them, said I wish I had a MAGA hat to wear, but my verbal approval would have to suffice. They all laughed, and it started a conversation.
The owner said he had a woman customer recently had some work done on a watch, and the counter person accidentally charged her CC twice. She phoned about it. He said, "Sorry, mistakes happen. Come on back in and I'll run your card through and take off the extra charge". She said though she liked his service and liked his prices she didn't appreciate his propaganda, so wouldn't be coming back. "The propaganda?" he asked? Yes, the flags you have displayed!

The American flag is propaganda? Holy smokes we are in deep weeds!

It's pathetic when people act ashamed of an American flag. 

[m_fumich]

She may have said “flags” but she was probably referring to everything else.


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[DeadNutz]

What did Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, George Washington, Benjamin Franklin,  Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, John Jay, and Samuel Adams do when they didn’t like the way things were in America? They didn’t leave. They changed it.


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You are talking far different times from now. When these people start wanting to abolish ICE and Homeland Security they can take a hike. Sure, let's just throw open the borders and let every undesirable and terrorist just walk right in and we'll give them healthcare and all the benefits they want.

[m_fumich]

You are talking far different times from now. When these people start wanting to abolish ICE and Homeland Security they can take a hike. Sure, let's just throw open the borders and let every undesirable and terrorist just walk right in and we'll give them healthcare and all the benefits they want.

Change is change. The right and ability to change is written into our constitution. And since that kind of change could only come about from the consent of the voting majority, any change would be the will of the people. I have yet to hear any lawmaker suggest abolishing ICE or Homeland Security. The average liberal doesn’t support that idea either. Most importantly, no one is advocating for open borders and providing healthcare and benefits to everyone that comes across the border. That’s a false narrative the right knows is false but it supports the agenda of Republican lawmakers and their financial backers. They won’t even support measures to reduce healthcare cost for American citizens because they’re making too much money and God forbid that should change just to so a diabetic can get their insulin. If anyone is opposed to change by the consent of the majority, then the American way of government might not be for them. There are a number of countries with political systems those people might like. Cuba comes to mind.


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[DeadNutz]

You are talking far different times from now. When these people start wanting to abolish ICE and Homeland Security they can take a hike. Sure, let's just throw open the borders and let every undesirable and terrorist just walk right in and we'll give them healthcare and all the benefits they want.

Change is change. The right and ability to change is written into our constitution. And since that kind of change could only come about from the consent of the voting majority, any change would be the will of the people. I have yet to hear any lawmaker suggest abolishing ICE or Homeland Security. The average liberal doesn’t support that idea either. Most importantly, no one is advocating for open borders and providing healthcare and benefits to everyone that comes across the border. That’s a false narrative the right knows is false but it supports the agenda of Republican lawmakers and their financial backers. They won’t even support measures to reduce healthcare cost for American citizens because they’re making too much money and God forbid that should change just to so a diabetic can get their insulin. If anyone is opposed to change by the consent of the majority, then the American way of government might not be for them. There are a number of countries with political systems those people might like. Cuba comes to mind.


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You must not be paying attention as there are more than several Democrat lawmakers calling for abolishing ICE and DHS and I saw and heard them speak those words. Calif. is providing healthcare to illegal immigrants and they just passed a law to do exactly that.

[Lookin4_67GalaxieConv]

You are talking far different times from now. When these people start wanting to abolish ICE and Homeland Security they can take a hike. Sure, let's just throw open the borders and let every undesirable and terrorist just walk right in and we'll give them healthcare and all the benefits they want.

Change is change. The right and ability to change is written into our constitution. And since that kind of change could only come about from the consent of the voting majority, any change would be the will of the people. I have yet to hear any lawmaker suggest abolishing ICE or Homeland Security. The average liberal doesn’t support that idea either. Most importantly, no one is advocating for open borders and providing healthcare and benefits to everyone that comes across the border. That’s a false narrative the right knows is false but it supports the agenda of Republican lawmakers and their financial backers. They won’t even support measures to reduce healthcare cost for American citizens because they’re making too much money and God forbid that should change just to so a diabetic can get their insulin. If anyone is opposed to change by the consent of the majority, then the American way of government might not be for them. There are a number of countries with political systems those people might like. Cuba comes to mind.

That's not true, Matt.  Nearly all the Democrat candidates for president have come out for giving "undocumented immigrants" healthcare benefits.  In fact, California just signed that into law. 

And there's several lawmakers who have come out in favor of abolishing ICE, most notably AOC.  I have yet to hear anyone voice support for open borders in plain English but everything they say and do tells you that's exactly what they support.  It doesn't take a genius to see what the endgame is here.

[m_fumich]

The California law applies to those that are DACA qualified and since they’re spending state tax money, it’s their right to do as they please with it. Federal law prohibits undocumented immigrants from receiving assistance through federally funded programs. Even legal immigrants can’t get assistance until they’ve been here 5 years. If you believe anyone wants open borders, then your only seeing what you want to see. I challenge you to show me ONE politician that’s advocating for open borders. When someone says “Don’t put children in cages” why to Trump supporters hear “Let all the poor people in and let’s give them free healthcare”? There is medication that can help with auditory hallucinations. I’m all for deporting undocumented immigrants AFTER they’ve been through the legal process. But if ICE were to round up all undocumented immigrants and deport them, some states, like California would have a serious labor shortage and crops would be left in the fields. Trump has repeatedly opposed any immigration from countries who’s citizens are brown and specifically welcomed white immigrants.


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[skfarmer]

crops left in the field? doubtful. that is a myth often told. i have had several migrant families contact me in the last few weeks and they are willing to do anything from pulling weeds to driving truck. i know they came here from texas  but california would be closer for them than here. they were all looking for work. do you want their phone numbers? i have them.

[m_fumich]

crops left in the field? doubtful. that is a myth often told. i have had several migrant families contact me in the last few weeks and they are willing to do anything from pulling weeds to driving truck. i know they came here from texas  but california would be closer for them than here. they were all looking for work. do you want their phone numbers? i have them.

I didn’t say California currently had a labor shortage. I said they would if all the undocumented immigrants were deported. I recently saw a story that said 1/3 of California’s workforce was foreign born. I’d bet they have a larger undocumented Hispanic population than any other state.


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[bonneyman]

crops left in the field? doubtful. that is a myth often told. i have had several migrant families contact me in the last few weeks and they are willing to do anything from pulling weeds to driving truck. i know they came here from texas but california would be closer for them than here. they were all looking for work. do you want their phone numbers? i have them.

That's a heck of a commute! At least they're travelling and admitting it's for work, not asylum.

[Lookin4_67GalaxieConv]

The California law applies to those that are DACA qualified and since they’re spending state tax money, it’s their right to do as they please with it. Federal law prohibits undocumented immigrants from receiving assistance through federally funded programs. Even legal immigrants can’t get assistance until they’ve been here 5 years. If you believe anyone wants open borders, then your only seeing what you want to see. I challenge you to show me ONE politician that’s advocating for open borders. When someone says “Don’t put children in cages” why to Trump supporters hear “Let all the poor people in and let’s give them free healthcare”? There is medication that can help with auditory hallucinations. I’m all for deporting undocumented immigrants AFTER they’ve been through the legal process. But if ICE were to round up all undocumented immigrants and deport them, some states, like California would have a serious labor shortage and crops would be left in the fields. Trump has repeatedly opposed any immigration from countries who’s citizens are brown and specifically welcomed white immigrants.

It's quite obvious democrats want open borders.  All you have to do is listen to them.  You can have fun with saying you haven't heard anyone say open borders, and put your head in the sand all you want.  There's not a single proposal democrats have backed that would strengthen the border and move closer to resolving the situation there.

There's no reason for these people to caravan over a thousand miles to get here from central America.  If they want asylum, they can apply for it in Mexico, which the administration is now going to force them to do.  Why is it nobody says a word when other countries strengthen their borders but when we do, we're racist?

If I was president I'd be advocating for many of the same policies this administration is advocating for.

DACA is unconstitutional.  Obama knew it was when he signed it, he even stated numerous times he wasnt empowered to do what he eventually did.  Trump should be able to overturn that with his own executive order, but there's enough federal judges legislating from the bench to block it.  Congress should be coming up with a solution to the DACA situation, an unconstitutional executive order shouldnt be the current legal standard.

[skfarmer]

you said crops would be left in the field if undocumented people were deported. again, i doubt it. people are  not traveling to north dakota looking for work because there are is a labor shortage it is because there are too many illegals and there is a labor excess.

[m_fumich]

you said crops would be left in the field if undocumented people were deported. again, i doubt it. people are  not traveling to north dakota looking for work because there are is a labor shortage it is because there are too many illegals and there is a labor excess.

According to the Pew Research Center, there were 1.75 million undocumented immigrants in California in 2014. If they were all deported, there would most certainly be a labor shortage. California may have more than they need but I seriously doubt they could afford to lose that many even if only half of them were in the work force.


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[skfarmer]

1.75  million sounds like a huge number til you think about it.

lets just say ca has 40 million for simple numbers.  that is less than 4.5 % of the population. still a big number  but not as big as when you just throw out one number in the big picture. i still say, the crops would get out.

funny thing, unemployment rate for ca is 4.2. i wonder if some of those unemployed people may just be able to get a job if  even some of those illegals went away. i know unemployment will never be zero but the lower the number the better.

[bonneyman]

I don't normally quote articles, but this woman (a Russian immigrant) hit's it eloquently and perfectly. Far better than I could.

https://townhall.com/columnists/marinamedvin/2019/07/18/i-immigrant-agree-with-donald-trump--if-you-are-not-happy-here-you-can-leave-n2550256

[m_fumich]

funny thing, unemployment rate for ca is 4.2. i wonder if some of those unemployed people may just be able to get a job if  even some of those illegals went away. i know unemployment will never be zero but the lower the number the better.

How many of those unemployed want the jobs those undocumented immigrants are doing? I suspect it’s not many.




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[m_fumich]

I don't normally quote articles, but this woman (a Russian immigrant) hit's it eloquently and perfectly. Far better than I could.

https://townhall.com/columnists/marinamedvin/2019/07/18/i-immigrant-agree-with-donald-trump--if-you-are-not-happy-here-you-can-leave-n2550256

I will reiterate, changing our government is in the roots of America. The next time there’s a Democrat in the White House, are all of you going to pack up an leave or try to bring about change? America didn’t have these issues 100 years ago. Guess what happened. THINGS CHANGED. Things will change again. If you advocate for no change then you must oppose any new law no matter what it’s about. So are you opposed to change or just the kind of change you don’t like? Now is the time for the hypocrites to raise their hands.


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[fatfillup]

Matt, I feel we are talking apples and oranges to some degree.  Yes our country has changed over the years and will continue to change, hopefully for the better.  But the basic freedoms this country was founded on haven't changed, though they have certainly been extended to those who were left out early on. 

As to the labor issues/shortages, I blame congress for not addressing immigration issues in years past and the blame can certainly be spread on both sides.  We can certainly devise a system to allow those immigrants who want to work in this country and who are needed to work here and still keep track of them, collect taxes and then go home and come back when needed again.  Or, if you prefer, a system where they can live here year round, but we need to know who they are and where they are.  But the current system reaches quotas long before the jobs are filled and thus the demand for illegals to work is bolstered.  The problem can be solved if congress wanted to solve it. 

[m_fumich]

Matt, I feel we are talking apples and oranges to some degree.  Yes our country has changed over the years and will continue to change, hopefully for the better.  But the basic freedoms this country was founded on haven't changed, though they have certainly been extended to those who were left out early on. 

As to the labor issues/shortages, I blame congress for not addressing immigration issues in years past and the blame can certainly be spread on both sides.  We can certainly devise a system to allow those immigrants who want to work in this country and who are needed to work here and still keep track of them, collect taxes and then go home and come back when needed again.  Or, if you prefer, a system where they can live here year round, but we need to know who they are and where they are.  But the current system reaches quotas long before the jobs are filled and thus the demand for illegals to work is bolstered.  The problem can be solved if congress wanted to solve it.

I agree 100%. But Trump isn’t interested in that. He wants all brown undocumented immigrants on a bullet train to Mexico. He’s making no effort to address the European or Asian immigrants that came here undocumented or overstayed their Visa’s and he wants to deny brown immigrants the ability to request asylum. If their claims can’t be verified, they’ll go back and I’m all for that. I have no problem with detaining every undocumented immigrant that enters the US. But we can’t treat them like animals. These people didn’t attack us. Those children don’t deserve to be in cages. And to make things worse, companies, that I have no doubt have connections to Congress, are making MILLIONS from housing the detainees. We need to embrace the values Ronald Reagan believed in.


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[m_fumich]

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[Lookin4_67GalaxieConv]

I don't normally quote articles, but this woman (a Russian immigrant) hit's it eloquently and perfectly. Far better than I could.

https://townhall.com/columnists/marinamedvin/2019/07/18/i-immigrant-agree-with-donald-trump--if-you-are-not-happy-here-you-can-leave-n2550256

I will reiterate, changing our government is in the roots of America. The next time there’s a Democrat in the White House, are all of you going to pack up an leave or try to bring about change? America didn’t have these issues 100 years ago. Guess what happened. THINGS CHANGED. Things will change again. If you advocate for no change then you must oppose any new law no matter what it’s about. So are you opposed to change or just the kind of change you don’t like? Now is the time for the hypocrites to raise their hands.

Change we can believe in?  Calling for "hope and change" was bullshit, and anyone with a brain knew it.  The kind of change Obama brought was cowering to the rest of the world and asking forgiveness, letting Iran build a nuclear bomb and giving them money to do it, ignoring over fifty years of human rights abuses and opening relations back up with Cuba, trading five terrorists for a traitor, letting men legally use the same bathrooms as little girls, etc.  That kind of change no society needs.

I don't remember any conservatives saying they were leaving the country after Obama was elected either time.  I also don't remember conservatives saying Obama wasn't legally elected, but we did hear that after the 2000 and 2016 elections, and even 2004 to an extent when a republican president was elected.

[bonneyman]

I agree 100%. But Trump isn’t interested in that. He wants all brown undocumented immigrants on a bullet train to Mexico. He’s making no effort to address the European or Asian immigrants that came here undocumented or overstayed their Visa’s and he wants to deny brown immigrants the ability to request asylum. If their claims can’t be verified, they’ll go back and I’m all for that. I have no problem with detaining every undocumented immigrant that enters the US. But we can’t treat them like animals. These people didn’t attack us. Those children don’t deserve to be in cages. And to make things worse, companies, that I have no doubt have connections to Congress, are making MILLIONS from housing the detainees. We need to embrace the values Ronald Reagan believed in.


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We're not putting children in cages like prison camps - we're unable to adequately handle to flood of people coming in. So we're having to set up make-shift detention facilities to hold these people until we can send them home. So the accommodations aren't the Ritz. Tough break! If people don't like the way they're being treated then they can go home. That's the point. But it's a far cry from being treated like animals.
Look, I'm a hour away from the border. We were just informed on the news that our illustrious city council - bunch of liberal sucking globalists - is contacting the Feds to see if they can alter the terms of the grant money they're getting to deal with the problem of the illegal aliens. The city got 1.5 million dollars to help law enforcement - they want to divert that to humanitarian aid for these people. And after that money is gone, LE is still left underfunded - and they'll be even MORE mouths to feed! Yet, if we try and reallocate funds to build a border wall, liberals have a coronary!
These people have infectious diseases and they're being let loose into the country because we simply can't deal with the influx. And so thousands more come while everyone dithers about undocumented children being treated like animals. I've already seen more beggars on the streets, more people knocking on the front door selling junk or looking for work or needing "donations" for a trip. Plus I get approached and harassed more and more just walking across a parking lot to go to a store. I think it's already too late to avoid the inevitable clash. I really hope I'm wrong, but with idiots like Bernie, AOC, and Omar my hope isn't a strategy.

[walrus]

I don't normally quote articles, but this woman (a Russian immigrant) hit's it eloquently and perfectly. Far better than I could.

https://townhall.com/columnists/marinamedvin/2019/07/18/i-immigrant-agree-with-donald-trump--if-you-are-not-happy-here-you-can-leave-n2550256

I will reiterate, changing our government is in the roots of America. The next time there’s a Democrat in the White House, are all of you going to pack up an leave or try to bring about change? America didn’t have these issues 100 years ago. Guess what happened. THINGS CHANGED. Things will change again. If you advocate for no change then you must oppose any new law no matter what it’s about. So are you opposed to change or just the kind of change you don’t like? Now is the time for the hypocrites to raise their hands.

Change we can believe in?  Calling for "hope and change" was bullshit, and anyone with a brain knew it.  The kind of change Obama brought was cowering to the rest of the world and asking forgiveness, letting Iran build a nuclear bomb and giving them money to do it, ignoring over fifty years of human rights abuses and opening relations back up with Cuba, trading five terrorists for a traitor, letting men legally use the same bathrooms as little girls, etc.  That kind of change no society needs.

I don't remember any conservatives saying they were leaving the country after Obama was elected either time.  I also don't remember conservatives saying Obama wasn't legally elected, but we did hear that after the 2000 and 2016 elections, and even 2004 to an extent when a republican president was elected.

"We" may not believe in it as "we " may be the minority. And many conservatives said he wasn't legally elected aka birtherism.

[slip knot]

All of this is made up BS over Trumps Predsidency. When Obama was running against Clinton they had a debate and he basically said exactly what Trump said. we are being overrun. Obama was a god. Trump is a turd. Really, why?? IMHO they are terrified that the country may be coming to its senses. The Democrats just lost and election that they had rigged. All the king makers in this country ie:: the MSM, The political elite and the mega wealthy all had Hillary propped up to win.... and she lost   The country is outta control. They've done everything they can to discredit Trump, drag him and his family thru the mud. They're even starting to eat their own trying to get Trump out. and Trump keeps winning. I wasn't a big fan of Trumps until lately.

As far as the border fiasco. The cages these people are being held in are 1000X better than where they were living at. The kids being separated from their parents is a real issue. they were separated from their parents long before they got to the border. They were sold, kidnapped or simply abandoned. They wont give a kid to someone who isn't a DNA match. just like a foster here you cant just give the kid to anyone who show up.


I've lived in South Texas all my life and I'm planning on leaving soon. Texas has been taken back over by Mexico, without a shot being fired. Trump is our only hope.

I used to enjoy talking politics, now it just pisses me off.

[Lookin4_67GalaxieConv]

I don't normally quote articles, but this woman (a Russian immigrant) hit's it eloquently and perfectly. Far better than I could.

https://townhall.com/columnists/marinamedvin/2019/07/18/i-immigrant-agree-with-donald-trump--if-you-are-not-happy-here-you-can-leave-n2550256

I will reiterate, changing our government is in the roots of America. The next time there’s a Democrat in the White House, are all of you going to pack up an leave or try to bring about change? America didn’t have these issues 100 years ago. Guess what happened. THINGS CHANGED. Things will change again. If you advocate for no change then you must oppose any new law no matter what it’s about. So are you opposed to change or just the kind of change you don’t like? Now is the time for the hypocrites to raise their hands.

Change we can believe in?  Calling for "hope and change" was bullshit, and anyone with a brain knew it.  The kind of change Obama brought was cowering to the rest of the world and asking forgiveness, letting Iran build a nuclear bomb and giving them money to do it, ignoring over fifty years of human rights abuses and opening relations back up with Cuba, trading five terrorists for a traitor, letting men legally use the same bathrooms as little girls, etc.  That kind of change no society needs.

I don't remember any conservatives saying they were leaving the country after Obama was elected either time.  I also don't remember conservatives saying Obama wasn't legally elected, but we did hear that after the 2000 and 2016 elections, and even 2004 to an extent when a republican president was elected.

"We" may not believe in it as "we " may be the minority. And many conservatives said he wasn't legally elected aka birtherism.

Absolutely nothing compared to the shitstorm Trump has weathered from the fake Russian collusion investigation to people like Jimmy Carter still saying Trump was elected with Russian help.  I'd also mention Hillary repeating this lie, but Carter still carries some respect, Clinton commands no respect. It's sad and pathetic.

[m_fumich]

I agree that something needs to be done about the immigration issues. Ronald Reagan said we need to address WHY they’re coming here which is a big part of the problem. We can turn them away but they will keep coming back. I have no doubt the US was involved somehow in creating the conditions so many immigrants are fleeing in Central America. It’s my understanding the majority are coming from Guatemala and Honduras. If they simply wanted a life in the US, everyone from Mexico, Central America and South America would be coming here. They’re not.

I don’t know how the immigrants are being detained around Tucson but we have all seen the videos of the kids in cages. I would have to question which infectious diseases. Is it scabies and smallpox like Fox News reported. That’s hysterical. It’s not surprising many are sick with contagious illnesses. Go into any pediatricians office and they’re everywhere. Is there any information that says immigrants are bringing in more disease or more serious illnesses than visitors driving through ports of entry or flying in? I haven’t seen any.

But following the title of this thread, apparently some people feel the way things are in America are just fine, immigration issues and all. That is what it suggests. Either you accept change or you don’t. It’s hypocritical to say only the change you approve of is acceptable and to say if you don’t like America the way it is then leave. If you don’t like the current immigration laws and how they’re enforced, would you rather go against the title of this thread and change it or do as it says and leave?


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[hickory n Steel]

Good points above but let me add that if you don't like America then leave but don't try to turn this country into what you left to come here especially you 3rd worlders.

Exactly.
I think it should be mandatory for people to learn English before they can become a citizen.
We speak English here, we should not be catering to those who want to live in America but don't actually want to be American.
All around me there are Mexicans who bring their young children up speaking Spanish, when I was in elementary school all the forms they sent home were in Spanish first then English on the back or down below.

They feel oppressed as " minorities " and wonder why, it's because they don't want to be American but rather bring their shitty home country here.

[m_fumich]

I think it should be mandatory for people to learn English before they can become a citizen.

It is a requirement.

But there are people who’s families have been US citizens for 100 years and they still don’t speak English.


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[hickory n Steel]

I think it should be mandatory for people to learn English before they can become a citizen.

It is a requirement.

But there are people who’s families have been US citizens for 100 years and they still don’t speak English.


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I would not have guesses because it doesn't show.
If speaking English is required then I don't know why translators and forms I'm foreign languages are needed.

I can only assume fluency is not required.

[m_fumich]

I would not have guesses because it doesn't show.
If speaking English is required then I don't know why translators and forms I'm foreign languages are needed.

I can only assume fluency is not required.

Per USCIS.gov

Be able to read, write, and speak basic English.

It wasn’t until the 1980’s that Puerto Rico taught English in their schools. One of the students on my truck was Puerto Rican. He didn’t speak great English and his wife didn’t speak English at all.


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[34Ply]

fumich, I wonder, how many immigrants have you personally helped? How many are living with you or camping in your back yard? Has your family been directly impacted by the influx of illegals? When you or your family gets a disease we eradicated I bet you change your tune. The diseases you are talking about are brought here by them. Back in the Kennedy presidency the Dems were saying if they could get enough Blacks and other minorities to vote Democrat they could take over and the Republican Party would go away and never have another GOP president. They are doubling down with health care for illegal aliens and free everything for millenials.  Nothing will ever be free. Anyone that thinks giving people something for free hasn't got a clue. The best way to help someone is give them a job. Thanks Trump.  It's this kind of thought processes that will bring our country down to a third world level. I'm 70 now (just a old white man that something has to be done about) so I suppose that I'm not going to see the full impact of will happen if this continues on this path in the next 20 years but I'm afraid for my Son and Grandchildren.  God Bless America.