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Title: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on December 02, 2021, 01:25:47 AM
I tend to use 1/4dr more than anything, plus the ratchets are small and cool and generally affordable to acquire so I have a lot of interest in 1/4dr.


I'll start this off with something different I just came across,  I think it's a UK brand though so availability here may be limited.

The brand is Sabrecut.

Theres the MRSCO4
(https://i.postimg.cc/zv1p5RKL/71j1j-Rlon-BL-AC-SL1500.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/7GmSnhBD)

And the MRSCO5
(https://i.postimg.cc/cL5mCzfG/71-NQU45-HAf-L-AC-SL1500.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/TKgmHCkt)

A pretty cool little 1/4 ratchet, square or hex drive, with what appears to be a 1/4 flex head or " breaker bar " on the other end.

I can't find any information that says but you'd think it flexes.
The only concern is those hex bosses protruding through the body of the tool that could mean it fixed, maybe they had to affix a tool steel anvil in place because the body of the ratchet is stainless steel ?

It would be pretty cool if it did flex.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on December 02, 2021, 11:38:15 AM
The WRIGHT 2426 is probably my favorite 1/4 ratchet,  I just love the contour grip in general really.
(https://i.postimg.cc/mDgDvj2X/20211202-091412.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/WDxTrMZg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Tw0kwdx2/20211202-091432.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bDG0Vjd4)
(https://i.postimg.cc/mZdXWgV8/20211202-091515.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/9z7tGV67)
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on December 02, 2021, 11:42:31 AM
How does Cornwells 1/4 ratchet feel in hand ?
Is the selector style on their classic design awkward at all as opposed to the lever selector found on most pearhead and teardrop ratchets?
I imagine it's just like operating a roundhead which I'm fine with, but I could  be completely
wrong because I've never handled one.

I've been interested for awhile and I just bought a gently used TR301 off Ebay to try out.
The certainly look like a nice tool, though admittedly I'd probably rather have the 72 tooth with the more typical lever selector.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: bonneyman on December 02, 2021, 01:21:21 PM
Nice ergo ratchets! I have a MATCO 1/4"er in that style and it's very nice.    :great:
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on December 02, 2021, 01:41:10 PM
Nice ergo ratchets! I have a MATCO 1/4"er in that style and it's very nice.    :great:
A rebranded WRIGHT if I'm not mistaken.

It's kind of funny, I liked that 1 $35 ratchet so much that I spent about $400 to build a set around it.
From the flex head ratchet,  flex handle, spinner handle, extensions sockets standard and deep sae and metric, that's about the first time one tool has inspired me to really go all out and build a set around it.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: bonneyman on December 02, 2021, 04:39:16 PM
Nice ergo ratchets! I have a MATCO 1/4"er in that style and it's very nice.    :great:
A rebranded WRIGHT if I'm not mistaken.

It's kind of funny, I liked that 1 $35 ratchet so much that I spent about $400 to build a set around it.
From the flex head ratchet,  flex handle, spinner handle, extensions sockets standard and deep sae and metric, that's about the first time one tool has inspired me to really go all out and build a set around it.

A great design to build a set around.

I've been looking at ebay for the 3/8" versions. Prices are insane! Especially for a discontinued style with no rebuild kits available. Unless the Wright kits fit it.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on December 02, 2021, 06:23:04 PM
Nice ergo ratchets! I have a MATCO 1/4"er in that style and it's very nice.    :great:
A rebranded WRIGHT if I'm not mistaken.

It's kind of funny, I liked that 1 $35 ratchet so much that I spent about $400 to build a set around it.
From the flex head ratchet,  flex handle, spinner handle, extensions sockets standard and deep sae and metric, that's about the first time one tool has inspired me to really go all out and build a set around it.

A great design to build a set around.

I've been looking at ebay for the 3/8" versions. Prices are insane! Especially for a discontinued style with no rebuild kits available. Unless the Wright kits fit it.
I don't see why it wouldn't unless they did something special for the mechanism on the Matco's..
What's the tooth count on your Matco?
I just use them so I can't remember,  but I think mine are 42 tooth.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: bonneyman on December 02, 2021, 07:23:26 PM
Nice ergo ratchets! I have a MATCO 1/4"er in that style and it's very nice.    :great:
A rebranded WRIGHT if I'm not mistaken.

It's kind of funny, I liked that 1 $35 ratchet so much that I spent about $400 to build a set around it.
From the flex head ratchet,  flex handle, spinner handle, extensions sockets standard and deep sae and metric, that's about the first time one tool has inspired me to really go all out and build a set around it.

A great design to build a set around.

I've been looking at ebay for the 3/8" versions. Prices are insane! Especially for a discontinued style with no rebuild kits available. Unless the Wright kits fit it.
I don't see why it wouldn't unless they did something special for the mechanism on the Matco's..
What's the tooth count on your Matco?
I just use them so I can't remember,  but I think mine are 42 tooth.

It's packed away, so I don't have immediate access to it. But it seems like a fine tooth mechansim.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on December 02, 2021, 07:33:37 PM
I carry this one at work in the accessory loop on the side of my leatherman sheath.
(https://i.postimg.cc/L5KBPQJx/20211202-090048.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qhw3VLXK)
I carry it just like that with a #2 in one end and 1/4 standard in the other, but it comes in this little plastic case.
(https://i.postimg.cc/ZnSpn9Qg/20211202-090255.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xJ6cFdny)
GM power torque brand, $14 at O'rileys , made by HI-FIVE  in Taiwan.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on December 02, 2021, 07:49:54 PM
Heres the big brother to the little one, I added the rubber tubing to it.

VIM RBF400K, again HI-FIVE in Taiwan.
(https://i.postimg.cc/3NY07s4Q/20211202-090444.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/472xQFQW)
(https://i.postimg.cc/pThmdNZx/20211202-173638.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JD8rT2vd)

It's a great tool and at about $40 from VIM it's the easiest to get most affordable option here in the US, but it wouldn't be my first choice of the various versions locking flex heads HI-FIVE  makes.

Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on December 02, 2021, 07:54:04 PM
These WRIGHTS have pretty fine teeth and relatively low backdrag, they definitely feel like they have a much higher tooth count than 45 ( I checked )

I just looked it up and unless the MATCO model number ends in ARF, a current WRIGHT kit should fit right in.

However they seem to have the 2493 mechanism in it from the " heavy duty " 2492 ratchet, the body of the 2492 is definitely longer than the 2426 but the heads also look to be bigger in diameter too which would change compatibility.

I do not know if you will be able to use a 3/8" rebuild kit in in your MATCO ratchet, I hate to say it but I'd ask someone on the GJ if they know.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: bonneyman on December 03, 2021, 08:19:27 AM
Here she is. An AR4. Guess the Wright kits will interchange. Good to know.

And I've got a Reverse Gear DBE marked Husky that is really great.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on December 03, 2021, 09:34:20 AM
Here she is. An AR4. Guess the Wright kits will interchange. Good to know.

And I've got a Reverse Gear DBE marked Husky that is really great.
Yours definitely seems to have the same mechanism as the 2426, so a 3/8 kit should fit.

Btw do you know when Matco was actually offering these ratchets ?
With people say things like " back in the day " with regards to them I get the impression it was quite awhile ago.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on December 03, 2021, 09:43:42 AM
Heres most of my Chapman stuff.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Z5rbcPWQ/20211202-085812.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/SnxbQM7L)

I don't use the CM13 bit ratchet very much,  but they released the PR13 palm ratchet a few months back and I really love it.

(https://i.postimg.cc/wB1drhMH/20211202-085840.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/TyvSL5nH)

I quite like the stubby handles and short extension too.
I've got 3 of the stubby handles because they're hard to beat for $1.50, I've got 2 bare handles that came with a double sided bit and one with the short extension permanently fixed in place.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: bonneyman on December 03, 2021, 10:39:53 AM
Nice Chapman kit! I have a "mutt" set where I collected the various pieces one at a time and then found a yellow case.

Don't know when Matco made the comfort ratchets. And my AR4 is a 1/4" drive model. Would love to have the longer 1/4" and one each of the 3/8" versions.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on December 03, 2021, 11:28:26 AM
Nice Chapman kit! I have a "mutt" set where I collected the various pieces one at a time and then found a yellow case.

Don't know when Matco made the comfort ratchets. And my AR4 is a 1/4" drive model. Would love to have the longer 1/4" and one each of the 3/8" versions.
I started with just the 1316 set in the little yellow pouch.

From there I eventually added on and bought a case, then added more a few months back and bought this larger more modular case to hold it all.

I knew your Matco was 1/4 , I thought you said you wanted to put the 3/8 kit in it.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on December 03, 2021, 11:43:16 AM
I used some rewards points to get this Craftsman set for I think $15 at the local hardware a couple weeks ago.
The ratchet isn't quite as good as the " reverse gear " stuff, but it's not a bad little set.
(https://i.postimg.cc/GhXtJ79f/20211202-090606.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8jrTTbRd)

The case is extremely bulky and oversized,  but the insert comes right out and everything is held in pretty well so the rest of the case is pretty unnecessary.
(https://i.postimg.cc/SQ73PH6g/20211203-093824.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/V5vKrGHt)

I think the only reason you'd want the case ( same one drill bits come in I think ) is because you can attach them to eachother,  one could create a pretty cool 1/4dr kit that way because they have a regular 1/4 socket set that comes in this same case.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: bonneyman on December 03, 2021, 02:09:51 PM
This is the one I have. Reverse Gear clearly marked, one side is 1/4" hex and the other 5/16" hex. Both reversible ratcheting. I usually put the Champion adapter in the 1/4" drive end and use sockets. Husky # 66604
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on December 03, 2021, 02:49:13 PM
I like this one for my bit ratchets.
(https://i.postimg.cc/50tBm7qR/20211203-124523.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/kVkRJyHQ)
(https://i.postimg.cc/nzMmmsn8/20211203-124545.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CBTdTxZJ)
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: bonneyman on December 03, 2021, 04:19:19 PM
Cool! nothing protrudes from the back of the head. Good for tight spots.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on December 03, 2021, 04:26:23 PM
Cool! nothing protrudes from the back of the head. Good for tight spots.
Just a hair so you can push it out a little to make removal easier.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on December 03, 2021, 04:31:41 PM
This Easco is one of my favorite 1/4dr ratchets, it seems the NAPA and K-D rebrands are more common but none are anywhere near as common as a Craftsman of the same era.
(https://i.postimg.cc/9MvwGjPX/20211202-090512.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Hc9LgRPF)

(https://i.postimg.cc/bNf2rpN3/20211202-090518.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/s1K20FWh)
It's like a 2rd generation Craftsman raised panel minus the oil fitting, I'd much rather have one of these though.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: bonneyman on December 03, 2021, 07:46:54 PM
I do like round knurled handles!

These are the EASCO I like. Round knurled (3/8 and 1/4) and paint brush handles (1/2, 3/8, and 1/4).
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on December 03, 2021, 07:53:15 PM
I do like round knurled handles!

These are the EASCO I like. Round knurled (3/8 and 1/4) and paint brush handles (1/2, 3/8, and 1/4).
How does the Easco paintbrush handle compare to your MATCO ( WRIGHT 2426 ) ?
I have been interested in one for awhile, but I tend to forget or things just get in the way of acquiring one.


I think I may have inadvertently become a collector of 1/4" ratchets now that I think about it, I always intend them for use but I can really only use so many.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: bonneyman on December 03, 2021, 09:14:56 PM
I normally don't like smooth, polished, ergonomic ratchets. Once my hands get even a little greasy it's difficult to hold on to them. Especially the smaller 1/4"ers.

That being said, both of these are very comfortable to hold, and as I get older (high torque wrenching less, more arthritis) I'm beginning to change my view on smooth tools. They both have smooth, fine actions. Almost indistinguishable to me. Both of the 1/4"ers are small heads, too. Hard to pick a fav.

To be totally honest I'm really favoring my HF composite ratchet these days. Bigger handle, but grippy soft handle and absolutely great to work with. Not collectible, so, I'm not at all afraid of damaging or losing it.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on December 03, 2021, 09:39:14 PM
I normally don't like smooth, polished, ergonomic ratchets. Once my hands get even a little greasy it's difficult to hold on to them. Especially the smaller 1/4"ers.

That being said, both of these are very comfortable to hold, and as I get older (high torque wrenching less, more arthritis) I'm beginning to change my view on smooth tools. They both have smooth, fine actions. Almost indistinguishable to me. Both of the 1/4"ers are small heads, too. Hard to pick a fav.

To be totally honest I'm really favoring my HF composite ratchet these days. Bigger handle, but grippy soft handle and absolutely great to work with. Not collectible, so, I'm not at all afraid of damaging or losing it.
It sounds like they're both pretty similar,  and that's what I was hoping.

I'm going to have to add one to my short list.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on December 04, 2021, 06:12:23 AM
I thoui just checked the Easco 71 1103 off the list and I was happy,  but I made a mistake.

It turns out the socket set I just bought has the 73 1107 3/8 ratchet , I saw 1/4 drive and bought it.

Sadly it turns out to be the 91525 set , I'll be happy to have everything but I really dislike those 3/8 + 1/4 combo sets with a 3/8 ratchet and a reducer for the 1/4 sockets.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: bonneyman on December 04, 2021, 08:17:52 AM
Let me look thru my stash. I may have a "spare" 1/4" paintbrush handle. I know I have a 1/4" round handle spare - can't recall if I have the smooth spare.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on December 04, 2021, 08:26:13 AM
This is the set I " accidentally " bought .
New condition, the Ebay seller has more.
No case, not sure if they have the packaging or not but condition is listed as new and nothing seems to be used.
(https://i.postimg.cc/bN3HWq6j/s-l400.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

7 1/4dr sockets- 6pt 1/4-3/8
5 3/8 sockets - 12pt7/16-3/4


It's not the 1/4 ratchet I wanted to check off my list, but I'll definitely use it.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: bonneyman on December 04, 2021, 11:40:12 AM
I have a spare 1/4"er paint brush handle.  :great:   
It's yours if you want it.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on December 04, 2021, 01:17:04 PM
I have a spare 1/4"er paint brush handle.  :great:   
It's yours if you want it.
Definitely,  just let me know what you need for it.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: bonneyman on December 04, 2021, 03:13:09 PM
No problem. Goodfellow asked if I could do anything to help you, and he's good people, so, it's a gift.

Plus I need to learn to let go of things. :lol_hitting:

Just PM me your address - I just tossed the mailer you sent me last week. :banghead:
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on December 04, 2021, 03:17:07 PM
No problem. Goodfellow asked if I could do anything to help you, and he's good people, so, it's a gift.

Plus I need to learn to let go of things. :lol_hitting:

Just PM me your address - I just tossed the mailer you sent me last week. :banghead:
Alright,  thanks.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on December 05, 2021, 09:50:08 PM
The Thorsen 77m is such an underrated little ratchet.
(https://i.postimg.cc/SxGKMZBD/20211202-092036.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4YmZC1N9)
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on December 06, 2021, 06:16:13 PM
I kind of have a list going of 1/4 ratchets to acquire.
Right now the only ones on my " list " that I know by model number are the Indestro 2875  and S-K 40975, not much of a list I suppose.

The rest I know by brand and what they look like, but I've gotta work on getting them all identified by model number so I can officially write out a list to check off.
 
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on December 06, 2021, 07:43:33 PM
I just checked the S必 40975 TUFF-1 off my list.

An Ebay seller has a bunch of them NOS available for $35, so I snatched one up before they're gone.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on December 06, 2021, 07:56:48 PM
The little titan micro roto head uses the same heart soring mechanism found on the S-K / Facom Tuff series like the 40975 I just checked off my list.

I don't remember exactly why and I haven't used mine much,  but at some point I cut it down to I guess make a little finger ratchet out of it.
(https://i.postimg.cc/g25W8LGB/20211202-090004.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CRjXV1Bj)
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on December 07, 2021, 12:10:20 PM
I'm working on a list right now and have 20 on it so far, a couple I'm not sure I'll ever get like the Blackhawk 24991 because I am collecting 1/4 ratchets but not seriously enough to pay more than say $60 max for any one of them ( I only go up to $60 to account for anything brand new ).

It's just one of those things where my heart is in it but my brain isn't in it enough to let me pull my wallet out past a certain point  :)

There are things I want, but not bad enough.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on December 07, 2021, 08:13:53 PM
Does anybody know the part / model number for the 1/4 sliding T handle WRIGHT used to make ?
They don't make one anymore and I would like to replace the Craftsman in my set with a WRIGHT.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on December 07, 2021, 10:34:37 PM
I quite like this Husky professional, though the handle is pencil thin.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Xvjjhx2P/20211202-091124.jpg)

I don't know who made these Husky Professional ratchets or when exactly but I consider them relatively nice, it uses a PROTO big dawg style mechanism.

I got the 3/8 first which came to me in an 80's Litton era NB husky set and eventually found this 1/4 in the search for information,  these just don't seem to be very common at all for some reason.
Maybe they were short lived for some reason.

 (https://postimg.cc/hXYRQ8R8)
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: bonneyman on December 08, 2021, 08:26:42 AM
Yeah that handle is too skinny and smooth for me. I'd have to Plasti-dip the whole ratchet then cut away the working portions front and back just to be able to hold it.

I was cleaning and rearranging my shop over the weekend and came across some old tool catalogs (2000-2009). I think there was a Wright book in there. I'll check it out when I get a chance and see if I can find that cross bar # for you.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on December 08, 2021, 09:10:31 AM
Yeah that handle is too skinny and smooth for me. I'd have to Plasti-dip the whole ratchet then cut away the working portions front and back just to be able to hold it.

I was cleaning and rearranging my shop over the weekend and came across some old tool catalogs (2000-2009). I think there was a Wright book in there. I'll check it out when I get a chance and see if I can find that cross bar # for you.
Thanks, that'll be great.

Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on December 08, 2021, 01:18:52 PM
This is a tool I really quite like.
(https://i.postimg.cc/9QxS5D7W/20211208-111428.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/DSX51y6D)

I'm not aware of a compact 1/4dr speeder ever existing though,  so I had to make it myself.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: bonneyman on December 08, 2021, 01:44:42 PM
Cool, I like it!     :bravo_2:
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on December 08, 2021, 02:32:36 PM
Cool, I like it!     :bravo_2:
It was pretty cheap to make too.
Just a HF long extension,  and a cheap drill bit stop from HF.
if I had a bearing to just press on it would probably be better, this one I ground in a groove for the grub screw to sit in then staked it so the screw wouldn't back out.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on December 08, 2021, 06:42:17 PM
I really like my VIM RBF400 flex head bit ratchet, button this length I'd like more handle.
 
I could just press a handle onto it but I'd loose the T handle feature, so I've been trying to come up with a removable handle and the first idea didn't work out.

This time I just went with a snug press fit, it could be a little less snug but it should hopefully break in a bit.

With the socket adapter stored in it, the handle slips on just about perfect.
(https://i.postimg.cc/wMB46ZY5/20211208-162803.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PpBQy6xN)

If I'm running a socket it slips on a bit further.
(https://i.postimg.cc/cJBrW5mL/20211208-161329.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/67T9Lcgk)

An air release hole helps it on much easier.

(https://i.postimg.cc/v8NDGnWf/20211208-161419.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/rz5qJKZw)

Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on December 09, 2021, 03:45:36 PM
Whaddya know, the EASCO set actually came factory sealed.
(https://i.postimg.cc/3JMH9WgR/20211209-114622.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/DmcDwvpk)
(https://i.postimg.cc/gJ9K194v/20211209-125530.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/t15PVMKT)]

The little driver handle is interesting,  it seems kind of chintzy like the handle is just moulded Styrene or ABS instead of a typical tool grade plastic but I like it just fine.
(https://i.postimg.cc/gJ9K194v/20211209-125530.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/t15PVMKT)
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on December 09, 2021, 03:54:05 PM
And the little Tuff1 arrived today,  my first S必 ratchet and I really like it.
(https://i.postimg.cc/s25WQM9h/20211209-114640.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/t1CJ8Ccq)

I believe it was probably a factory second but I don't mind.
There are some defects in the chrome on top of the head, and the gnurling is a little bit deformed in a few spots.
(https://i.postimg.cc/R00F9qpm/20211209-114712.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/dhzvjQKN)
(https://i.postimg.cc/fTKDLD9R/20211209-114731.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Mvvh3k5C)
That would explain them being absolutely unused NOS but not factory sealed.

Thankfully the handle is a little small , I consider that a good thing because it's such a nice little ratchet but I'm not looking to replace my WRIGHT contour grips.

If the grip was a little larger I fear I'd have to put a bunch of money into putting together an S必 version of my WRIGHT 1/4 " super set " as I like to call it.


Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: bonneyman on December 10, 2021, 08:28:41 AM
That's the one thing about S-K roundheads. The body/handle sizes. For the 3/8" they're perfect, but the 1/4" is way too small for me and the 1/2" is a heavy beast.

It's why I have different brands for different drive sizes. The HF composite is the perfect 1/4" (nice handle size for me without excess weight) , and the Thorsen/Wright open gear are a great 1/2" (design sheds any excessive metal to keep the weight down and balance right).
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on December 10, 2021, 08:39:13 AM
That's the one thing about S-K roundheads. The body/handle sizes. For the 3/8" they're perfect, but the 1/4" is way too small for me and the 1/2" is a heavy beast.

It's why I have different brands for different drive sizes. The HF composite is the perfect 1/4" (nice handle size for me without excess weight) , and the Thorsen/Wright open gear are a great 1/2" (design sheds any excessive metal to keep the weight down and balance right).
The Thorsen 77m is a dainty little thing too, I'm sure I'd love the 1/2" .

I was really surprised here, having never had an S必 I had no clue the handles were this dainty.
A screwdriver handle or some air break hose would remedy that well though if it was going to be a user.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: bonneyman on December 10, 2021, 10:04:38 AM
That's the one thing about S-K roundheads. The body/handle sizes. For the 3/8" they're perfect, but the 1/4" is way too small for me and the 1/2" is a heavy beast.

It's why I have different brands for different drive sizes. The HF composite is the perfect 1/4" (nice handle size for me without excess weight) , and the Thorsen/Wright open gear are a great 1/2" (design sheds any excessive metal to keep the weight down and balance right).
The Thorsen 77m is a dainty little thing too, I'm sure I'd love the 1/2" .

I was really surprised here, having never had an S必 I had no clue the handles were this dainty.
A screwdriver handle or some air break hose would remedy that well though if it was going to be a user.

Yes, you could always fuel hose it (or heat shrink tubing like I do) if you love the action. But - be assured with the SK roundheads - the 1/4" is a bit small but the 3/8" is just right. The 1/2" is just too big a hunk of metal in the head which makes it heavy and out-of-balance.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on December 10, 2021, 11:50:47 AM
Good to know about the 3/8.

I don't collect or accumulate 3/8 at the rate I do 1/4dr so I only have maybe 7 3/8 ratchets,  but I am going to want to try a few others in the future.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: skfarmer on December 10, 2021, 12:56:15 PM
The 1/4 drive tuff1 is an odd duck. The head is oddly large compared to 3/8 and 1/2 versions. It has ever appealed to me and I think it is a rather ugly looking thing. Now the classic sk, that thing is a just  a great all around ratchet. Smooth lines, well proportioned, sturdy and still a good performer. Considering it's age  it is what a lot of newer ratchets strive to be and fail.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on December 10, 2021, 01:15:13 PM
The 1/4 drive tuff1 is an odd duck. The head is oddly large compared to 3/8 and 1/2 versions. It has ever appealed to me and I think it is a rather ugly looking thing. Now the classic sk, that thing is a just  a great all around ratchet. Smooth lines, well proportioned, sturdy and still a good performer. Considering it's age  it is what a lot of newer ratchets strive to be and fail.
If it wasn't for the 72 tooth mechanism and almost no anvil play I probably wouldn't have wanted one.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: bonneyman on December 10, 2021, 04:32:07 PM
You could always get a regular roundhead SK 1/4" and put in a DT80 drive kit. I think there's the point of "diminishing returns" with ultra fine teeth in a small ratchet but it is an option that might work for you.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on December 10, 2021, 06:50:24 PM
You could always get a regular roundhead SK 1/4" and put in a DT80 drive kit. I think there's the point of "diminishing returns" with ultra fine teeth in a small ratchet but it is an option that might work for you.
I've got the 40970 on my list, I never thought about putting the dt80 mechanis in it but now that you mention it I may have to get 2 and convert one just to have an example of both in my collection.

This may sound crazy but I don't want a better ratchet, I like my WRIGHT contour grips and don't not want to displace them.

Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on December 10, 2021, 06:58:15 PM
The Easco 71 1103 Bman sent me,  and I like it.
Not too coarse, not too stiff, and doesn't feel too bad in hand.
It's slim and nimble too, and relatively low profile for a roundhead.
(https://i.postimg.cc/85XNxPRx/20211210-160448.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/N9X3HtPx)
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on December 10, 2021, 07:07:06 PM
I received this cornwell in the mail too, and I really like it.
I am very impressed with the machining and overall quality, the handle could be a tad thicker but overall I can't really complain.
(https://i.postimg.cc/9MDQm7Qc/20211210-160520.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/9Rjh1z9k)
(https://i.postimg.cc/vmkdvSGd/20211210-160549.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/R378Sd3P)

With the batwing pawl and the thick cover plate,  really the overall design in general,  it's like a golden era Easco but nicer.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: bonneyman on December 10, 2021, 07:47:11 PM
I'm glad you like that EASCO. It was hard letting it go, as it is a really nice tool. I hope it does well for you.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on December 11, 2021, 06:07:10 AM
I'm glad you like that EASCO. It was hard letting it go, as it is a really nice tool. I hope it does well for you.
It will pair well with that sef I got in the other day.
I may want to add sockets because it's 1 set split between 2 different drive sizes, but I'll have to think about whether it's worthwhile to do so.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on December 13, 2021, 11:16:41 AM
This indestro that belonged to my grandfather was my first ratchet of any quality.
(https://i.postimg.cc/vmxdqCxY/20211202-090756.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gwp5rSKQ)
I don't use it much these days, but it's still one of my favorites.
Definitely my favorite knurled handle next to the Easco 71 1102, it's not that aggressive or particularly grippy nut the size is perfect.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on December 20, 2021, 06:57:50 PM
I find the humble spinner handle to be a key part of any good 1/4dr set.
(https://i.postimg.cc/9X8CdCB6/20211202-091551.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/F1LMmt8p)

I'll accept a driver handle like this nice little Thorsen from a set I got in my SS gift last year, driver handles aren't my preference but I still really love this one.
(https://i.postimg.cc/pLKw6HDX/20211202-092049.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/SnN1nHTw)

 I'd definately always rather have a spinner handle if I can.
(https://i.postimg.cc/x1V7H4Wr/20211202-091932.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/N5bpvpsb)
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on December 29, 2021, 07:28:29 PM
I just ordered a new old stock Duro-Chrome 4582, an Ebay seller has a box full of them available. Hopefully they're all as nice as this one pictured.
(https://i.postimg.cc/GmtZmKj8/s-l400-4.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

It's the same as my Indestro 6072, except of course it has the hang hole.


I can't exactly remember the whole story on the Duro - Chrome / indestro connection, but I can easily look it up if I ever feel like it.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on January 02, 2022, 02:27:50 PM
For $15+ tax I figured I'd check out this Craftsman gimbal palm ratchet,  plus I wanted to see how I liked the idea of attaching the 2 sets together.
(https://i.postimg.cc/qgVSmQSm/20220102-120247.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/fSC8y7wX)
(https://i.postimg.cc/PfwtM78Q/20220102-120449.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PNdsX2yC)

Maybe I'll find a use for this kit made up of these 2 sets latched together.
(https://i.postimg.cc/tRWj6VLr/20220102-120653.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/pyW4byV8)
This palm ratchet gives you an 8mm, 10mm and 3/8-9/16.
The bit ratchet set didn't go up to 9/16 so that's good, and you can never have too many 10mm.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: bonneyman on January 02, 2022, 02:47:29 PM
I have a Husky or GW version of the gimbal ratchet. Nice size and grip.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on January 02, 2022, 03:25:54 PM
I have a Husky or GW version of the gimbal ratchet. Nice size and grip.
It does seem like a nice size.

I wish the selector wasn't plastic, but it seems decent in quality otherwise.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: bonneyman on January 02, 2022, 04:03:06 PM
I have a Husky or GW version of the gimbal ratchet. Nice size and grip.
It does seem like a nice size.

I wish the selector wasn't plastic, but it seems decent in quality otherwise.

Though I never got to use it for this, I thought that type of ratchet would be perfect for under the dashboard type of screws. The ones where you can't always see and get into the best grip position.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on January 04, 2022, 12:37:01 PM
I have a Husky or GW version of the gimbal ratchet. Nice size and grip.
It does seem like a nice size.

I wish the selector wasn't plastic, but it seems decent in quality otherwise.

Though I never got to use it for this, I thought that type of ratchet would be perfect for under the dashboard type of screws. The ones where you can't always see and get into the best grip position.
i can imagine lots of uses for it, whether ill ever need it for those things remains to be seen.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on January 06, 2022, 01:42:09 PM
The same seller I bought the SK tuff1 from had these indestro 2875a.
Factory liquidation I assume, only one was actually marked which the first buyer got the rest are sterile with a sticker.
(https://i.postimg.cc/wBR2CJ27/s-l400-9.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on January 06, 2022, 02:02:26 PM
Well happy birthday to me, my Duro Chrome 4582 just arrived.
The fit and finish is much nicer than my old indestro, the anvil is much tighter, and the socket fit is much better too.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Hng5nvM7/20220106-115215.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/wyw3bV06)
(https://i.postimg.cc/44Pnp3k0/20220106-115231.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hhJSBcG8)

They barely lubed it from the factory,  so it only took a minute to scrub the old dried grease off the gear and throw some super lube in it.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on January 09, 2022, 02:20:18 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/5jdgpks1/20220109-113312.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4HPpxwCF)

Yet another ratchet with an overly skinny grip.


It's not bad , but sadly it's not exactly the ratchet I had in mind.
I saw the selector and assumed it was the same as the ones made for the Powr-kraft 100 series but it's not, just a typical 46 tooth single rocking pawl mechanism.

It's not a terrible ratchet though and I'm happy to add it to the collection, especially for under $20.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: skfarmer on January 09, 2022, 02:54:34 PM
that is relatively rare one. very end of production if i am correct.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on January 09, 2022, 03:40:13 PM
that is relatively rare one. very end of production if i am correct.
That's what I figured.
This particular seller had a handful of them, 1 marked and the rest with or without the stickers.
I'm guessing they went to stickers at the very end to save any money they could, and some just never got the sticker applied before they shut down.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on January 12, 2022, 08:59:59 PM
I think it's time to start doing some serious looking for one of the hard to get ratchets on my list.

Right now I have a vintage Benjamin off to an expert to have the barrel soldered back on, since I don't know what It'll cost or when it'll be done and time to pay for the work this gives me time to do some looking as I hold off on so many purchases till that's done.

I don't know if I even can find a Blackhawk 24991 from the nuggies set, but it's time to start looking.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on March 14, 2022, 11:49:17 AM
I finally scored a Craftsman 43174 , they're actually very readily available on Ebay lately but I was looking for the best deal and kind of only paying attention to the listing result emails from my watchlist items.

This one popped up for $15 and I kind of jumped the gun, because the other that popped up at the same time was $12 but had some rode rash on the head.

(https://i.postimg.cc/j573gddw/s-l400-16.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

I paid $20 shipped,  and after purchasing a " similar result " popped up for a NOS rebuild kit for it which I wound up buying for $12.82 shipped since the selector has little wear.

Then after buying the rebuild kit a " similar result " popped up for another 43174 which looked unused, $20 with free shipping  :-[ :-[

I could have just done a quick search and got the like new example for $20+ tax but since I didn't,  I'm into this one for about $33   :41: :41:

Oh well, I'll save the mechanism I pull out and maybe one of you guys will need it at some point. It doesn't look all that bad but I'll get a better idea when it arrives.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: bonneyman on March 14, 2022, 03:08:00 PM
Sometimes you get the bear - sometimes the bear gets you.

You never know. A gear assembly might drop into your lap that'll fit the handles and you can make a mutt ratchet.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on March 14, 2022, 04:57:11 PM
Sometimes you get the bear - sometimes the bear gets you.

You never know. A gear assembly might drop into your lap that'll fit the handles and you can make a mutt ratchet.
I bought the rebuild kit, so what I will have is a left over mechanism with no ratchet body to put it in.

It's an SK made floating pawl mechanism like the TUFF1 from what I understand,  but they're only 45 tooth.
I'm not sure what other ratchet it could fit in, but I'll save it and eventually I will have something or somebody else will need it for something they have.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: bonneyman on March 14, 2022, 05:21:06 PM
10-4 I get it.

I grab every rebuild kit I can, whether I have the ratchet body or not. I never know when a gear cluster will end up working in a different body. In fact I have a 1/2" drive gear coming in that's a really small diameter and I think might fit in a 3/8" body. Fun times ahead playing detective!
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: skfarmer on March 14, 2022, 06:20:51 PM
Sometimes you get the bear - sometimes the bear gets you.

You never know. A gear assembly might drop into your lap that'll fit the handles and you can make a mutt ratchet.
I bought the rebuild kit, so what I will have is a left over mechanism with no ratchet body to put it in.

It's an SK made floating pawl mechanism like the TUFF1 from what I understand,  but they're only 45 tooth.
I'm not sure what other ratchet it could fit in, but I'll save it and eventually I will have something or somebody else will need it for something they have.
i dont think sk made them. the cman stuff made by sk has a k as a mfg code or part of the model number.  yes they are similar but not the same. if i  am correct there are some torque wrench heads that us that same mechanism.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on March 14, 2022, 08:00:17 PM
What I heard was that they used an SK made mechanism in a Danahar made ratchet body and there was a connection with an Italian division of FACOM ( is that USAG ? ) .
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on March 20, 2022, 06:35:43 PM
I got my rebuild kit yesterday,  but my rat was accidentally delivered to somebody else on friday.

I'm hoping the person is honest enough to return it or something,  otherwise I'll have a hassle of filing a claim tr something.

At least it's only $20, but I'd rather have the ratchet.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: ron350 on March 21, 2022, 08:15:09 PM
That sounds like my lick. Hope they find the ratchet.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on March 22, 2022, 12:46:23 AM
That sounds like my lick. Hope they find the ratchet.
I sure hope so.

I have received others packages before and always returned them.

One time I got a package addressed to me and inside was $200 worth of 30 caliber airgun slugs ( essentially a .30 cal mine` ball ).
I called the company that shipped them to me, got a return label my way and sent them back.
It's too bad I couldn't just forward them to the recipient, so they didn't have to wait longer than necessary but I understand that they can't give out somebody's adress.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on March 23, 2022, 11:12:50 AM
Well the local post master who delivered my ratchet to the wrong person recovered it and got it back in the mail.

I should have it tomorrow.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on March 24, 2022, 02:07:25 PM
Got the 43174 in finally and I like it, it's smooth with a relatively light action the anvil play is basically zero and the socket fit is great.
I really don't understand why people are always saying this tuff1/ floating pawl / heart spring design is hard to put back together.
Theres nothing to it, just the anvil, pawl, spring,  selector,  and screw.
I could probably put 10 of these back together in the time it takes me to get 1 MDF or Williams batwing pawl back together,  those detent balls are a bitch.

(https://i.postimg.cc/1tnhyVnp/20220324-115356.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PpjF4xMx)

Another ratchet with an overly skinny handle, but I don't hate it.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on June 27, 2022, 09:52:23 PM
I just added thesec2 to my collection on Saturday.
A modern Proto 4749, and a Japanese 4749 copy made for Hi-lok fasteners.
(https://i.postimg.cc/0QNZmq4w/20220627-194434.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CZWjT9Sh)
(https://i.postimg.cc/85n4m08n/20220625-154336.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/vgf5QXZW)

And I just ordered this NOS Armstrong 10-915A, I think it's the same TUFF1-ish mechanism as the Craftsman Tri-wing ratchets.
(https://i.postimg.cc/d1bYSnr4/s-l400-1.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://i.postimg.cc/jdQbZH54/s-l400.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on June 29, 2022, 03:12:12 PM
I decided to rearrange the 1/4dr kit today, and I modified the snapon party box it's housed in.

I need to get some proper EVA foam but as a proof of concept I'm happy, the sockets / extensions present nicely and are no longer difficult to remove .

(https://i.postimg.cc/KztpDX9F/20220629-124810.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gXkKG7FB)

The one thing about the mac MC1 box I missed was the removable drawer, so I cut the tabs off allowing these drawers to come out.
It adds some real convenience and the tools in the back of the drawers are no longer hard to access.
(https://i.postimg.cc/VsBHS8rW/20220629-125149.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/HjntKFtr)

It also allows me to utilize the space under the bottom drawer for my hex keys that store better in their pouches, and it's a good place for the inspection mirror so it's not scratched by other tools.
(https://i.postimg.cc/8cHyxRQ0/20220629-124918.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XBrcCyvf)




Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on June 30, 2022, 02:42:31 PM
I got the Armstrong ratchet in the mail today,  the head & mechanism are identical to the Craftsman 43174.
I know they're not exactly a well regarded mechanism,  but I don't mind 'em at all.
I like how theres no anvil play, and I appreciate that you can switch the selector one handed.
(https://i.postimg.cc/RhHryG9T/20220630-121612.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/y3srSmDJ)
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: john k on July 01, 2022, 06:31:23 PM
Most of the 1/4 in. stuff that has landed here recently, as in the past 5 years.   Thoroughly mixed as to brand,  mostly Craftman, one Snap-On ratchet in there.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on July 03, 2022, 04:29:33 AM
I've always liked the looks of those 50's-60's Craftsman 1/4" boxes.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on July 03, 2022, 09:15:39 PM
I couldn't find any affordable EVA online and wasn't sure where I'd get some,  then I remembered the cheap foam floor mat set they sell at HF so I grabbed a pack when I was in town today.

(https://i.postimg.cc/5NxLjj8V/20220703-185823.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/py6p6W0G)

I'm quite happy with how it came out, it looks good and holds the sockets well.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: john k on July 03, 2022, 11:32:40 PM
That Craftsman box is actually earlier,  1 of these was in the set of Craftsman tools gifted to my father in 1947.  His brothers chipped in to see that he had decent tools to restart farming, after leaving Chicago.   I started using his 1/4 set in the 60s. 
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on July 04, 2022, 10:02:39 AM
That Craftsman box is actually earlier,  1 of these was in the set of Craftsman tools gifted to my father in 1947.  His brothers chipped in to see that he had decent tools to restart farming, after leaving Chicago.   I started using his 1/4 set in the 60s.
Thanks for the info.

Now that you mention it, the boxes I'm thinking of are a lighter color and have the red plastic insert.
I'm thinking of the boxes for the flying V ratchets.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on July 04, 2022, 12:42:47 PM
I added some foam to the bottom drawer.
(https://i.postimg.cc/bvQkXXDs/20220704-102225.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Y4ChgsxH)
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on July 08, 2022, 04:07:52 PM
I just checked the WRIGHT 2400 off my list.
I don't blame them because I think the contour grip is the clear winner, but it's a shame that they discontinued it.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on July 11, 2022, 02:44:48 PM
I'm assuming a more recent example would probably be nicer, but the 2400 I just got is still pretty nice.
The mechanism is stiffer than my contour grips which I assume is just the mechanism having been improved over time, but the F&F and the chrome quality is not as nice either.
(https://i.postimg.cc/v8NJ8wv1/20220711-113417.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/V5XG4Tp1)

It's funny that usually things were made better, but they finish and action on the current stuff is much nicer.
Probably on par where it matters most, but I don't blame WRIGHT for dropping the 2400.

I do consider the 2426 to be the king of 1/4" ratchets anyways.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on July 16, 2022, 10:57:56 PM
The ubiquitous SK 40970 has just been checked off my list.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: wantedabiggergarage on July 17, 2022, 07:41:03 PM
Stupid question as I haven't read through this thread (sorry).....

What grease do you recommend when rebuilding/regreasing these?
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on July 17, 2022, 10:56:22 PM
Stupid question as I haven't read through this thread (sorry).....

What grease do you recommend when rebuilding/regreasing these?
I use superlube.
I'm not sure I've specifically said so in this thread, but the tube of it might have found it's way into some of the pictures.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on July 21, 2022, 03:17:01 PM
The seller listed this a vintage which I knew wasn't true, but I didn't really expect it to be brand new.
(https://i.postimg.cc/D0NKKFc2/20220721-124210.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/N2Rn13VV)
It's a nice ratchet, but not where servicing it is concerned.
(https://i.postimg.cc/zf866V1C/20220721-124220.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zy2xRDvv)
That ring is a bitch , and this is the first ratchet that's ever drawn blood.
No that cut on my middle finger isn't serious, but it's bleeding even if just barely.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: wantedabiggergarage on July 21, 2022, 04:49:31 PM
Weren't the vintage ones like 30 teeth?

Those were the "good" ratchets I got to use, on occasion at grandma's.  (her tools and the tools I bought for working on her house/stuff, stayed there)
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on July 21, 2022, 05:08:14 PM
Weren't the vintage ones like 30 teeth?

Those were the "good" ratchets I got to use, on occasion at grandma's.  (her tools and the tools I bought for working on her house/stuff, stayed there)
I don't know,I thought the 40970 was supposed to be about 36 teeth or so, but this one is 60.

My WRIGHT ratchets are 42 tooth.
It's a shame they don't seem to have ever offered their dual pawl mechanism in 1/4" , but then again I suppose if they did it would probably be in the larger headed " high torque " model.

A 2426 with a dual pawl mechanism could be about the best 1/4" ratchet ever made.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: wantedabiggergarage on July 21, 2022, 08:55:51 PM
I kind of wish Wright had a 1/4 ONLY, open head ratchet.  I have had this weird notion to put that generation designed tools, with the VW.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on July 22, 2022, 11:04:45 AM
I kind of wish Wright had a 1/4 ONLY, open head ratchet.  I have had this weird notion to put that generation designed tools, with the VW.
You can always get a Thorsen 77m on Ebay,  they're not hard to come by at all.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on July 22, 2022, 01:32:03 PM
Just checked the PROTO 4749XL off the list.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on July 22, 2022, 02:22:16 PM
Something I realized I hadn't mentioned is that I generally try not to do too much reaserch on a ratchets mechanism, because part of the fun for me is opening them up and discovering what they have to offer.
That is unless the mechanism is something I'm specifically looking for like the indestro powr Kraft 100 series ( still haven't identified which standard indestro model that is ).
Most round heads are generally an SK or WRIGHT mechechanism with minor differences,  some kilness,  some tuff 1 / heart spring or half heart spring, and some others tossed in.
Pear heads are most often a batwing style pawl or similar.

I like to explore them, see what they do differently,  and what things some companies do better witha particular mechanism.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on July 25, 2022, 03:37:30 PM
On first impressions I'm really impressed.
(https://i.postimg.cc/XqVVGp7K/20220725-132334.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/BLVWRZFt)
It's a little longer than I'm used to but the length is a good size,  it's only 45 tooth but as expected from PROTO it's buttery smooth with a light back drag.
The head is a lot smaller than I imagined too.
I'm not sure what kind of mechanism it has in it, but I'll find that out soon enough.
Definitely not the old PROTO stand by, and certainly not a batwing.
 I'm guessing a modern multi tooth swinging pawl type design.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on July 25, 2022, 04:06:57 PM
Sort of what I had in mind,  but not exactly.
Is there a name for this mechanism ?
If call it a cradled rocking pawl.
(https://i.postimg.cc/MHSFzFmX/20220725-135004.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/MM9DDt48)
(https://i.postimg.cc/vB9KFs9p/20220725-135051.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/WFN8gx5n)
The head is sealed which is nice, theres even a gasket moulded to the cover plate.
The ratchet was smooth as is, but it was bone dry and the super lubes should do it some good.

The teeth are fine, the anvil play is very minimal, the head is small, low profile, low back drag, overall I really like it.
This could easily be my favorite 1/4" ratchet if I hadn't discovered the WRIGHT  contour grip,  hell if this was made by WRIGHT and had their contour grip it could be one of the best 1/4" ratchets ever made if you ask me.

Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on July 25, 2022, 05:44:01 PM
 Very interesting choice of how they sealed the cover plate, just some holes punched into it and a gasket directly moulded to it I believe.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Pq81SJYN/20220725-153456.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JyMyn1TW)
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: skfarmer on July 25, 2022, 06:28:23 PM
i have heard good things about that series of proto ratchets but sadly other than ordering through grainger there is no local source.

i know it isn't fair but they also just don't appeal to me visually.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on July 25, 2022, 07:27:27 PM
i have heard good things about that series of proto ratchets but sadly other than ordering through grainger there is no local source.

i know it isn't fair but they also just don't appeal to me visually.
I'm not sure I could call them the most attractive ratchets ever, but I'm a bit indifferent I suppose and can't really complain.

All I can really say is at least they're not as ugly as the current Taiwanese Craftsman ratchets, I think those are just terrible looking.
I'm glad they're not made here, and sure as hell hope that's not the design choice for ratchets to come out of the plant in texas.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: TexasT on August 14, 2022, 10:06:26 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/rDh9nx0Y/IMG_20220814_210037.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/rDh9nx0Y)
My go to set of quarter drive. It has removed and installed every refrigerator door we have had in the previous 30 yrs. The ratchet is the china equivalent to the least teeth ratchet with the big clicks but it has never failed.

(https://i.postimg.cc/F18qHtTH/IMG_20220814_210056.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/F18qHtTH)
Tri wing selector
(https://i.postimg.cc/v4QCprPr/IMG_20220814_210112.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/v4QCprPr)
Six point with the cool metal holder.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on August 28, 2022, 06:24:43 PM
For $12 from Cripe I had to take a gamble on this RATCHKEY set.
(https://i.postimg.cc/fW3fmh0s/57-54d87a0e-c6ca-4552-ad4f-c798470e1e8e-540x.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

Mostly for the William's palm ratchet it comes with , but I believe the Ratchkey ratchet should be American made as well for what it's worth.
I doubt it's very good but will go in my collection if it is
made here, the sockets are sure to be pretty low quality whether US made or not ( Cripe has a smaller Ratchkey set, with USA sockets ), and the bits I'll be happy if their American made but can still find a use otherwise.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on September 01, 2022, 02:33:39 PM
It turns out the William's super TORQBONE ( no information I could find ) is a bit driving palm ratchet.
(https://i.postimg.cc/026C5q5b/20220901-113535.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/RNBtGyHB)
(https://i.postimg.cc/CLWsz6dJ/20220901-113547.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hf1dYsL7)
It's only got about 40 teeth but it's a smooth fine toothed dual pawl mechanism, and I quite like it.

I'd have paid the $12 for just this.

The sockets are American made except for 2 SAE and the extension that are Taiwanese, even the 1/4 bit holder is American made
I'm still not sure on the source for the sockets but they're the same as those from the JS TECHNOLOGIES  set I have, Stanley maybe.
Nothing to write home about, but the corners are fluted at least.
(https://i.postimg.cc/MTdYH6jj/20220901-114609.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Q9K7nrmX)
I got 2 13mm instead of a 1/2, but I don't plan to use them much so it doesn't really matter I suppose.
I'll probably just add the metrics to the JS set.

I think the bits are Vermont American?
(https://i.postimg.cc/G3gQ1pCW/20220901-114441.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/7b773wb9)
(https://i.postimg.cc/2ytFd0Gk/20220901-114446.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/p5DFRY34)

The ratchet is American made so it can go in my collection, but it's extremely stiff and pretty much OXWALL quality.

Overall theres a lot to like here for $12.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on September 22, 2022, 02:50:08 PM
I just got this one in and I like it more than the standard 1/4 version I bought when they first came out.
(https://i.postimg.cc/BnBqyGvR/20220922-123439.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/RWq56yKT)

I think I'm going to order one of those adapters for micro bits, that could be pretty useful in this.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on October 14, 2022, 11:52:41 AM
I just checked the older Armstrong 10-901 off my list, I'm not sure how old this one is ( 1980's ? )  but it looks to be in pretty good condition.
(https://i.postimg.cc/1zkFYn0G/s-l400-32.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://i.postimg.cc/0QvQwpdB/s-l400-33.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://i.postimg.cc/vmfTTP9n/s-l400-34.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

These seem easier to come by than the recent more premium 10-901 which I'm also looking to check off my list.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on February 10, 2023, 10:13:53 PM
I finally bit the bullet on a modification I've had in my head for quite awhile.
 I never liked the longer handle length of the VIM RBF400K and I've always thought it would be awesome with the right kind of handle / grip on it, but I was apprehensive about cutting the end off and never really had an appropriate handle to use.

I know I'll eventually get a standard length variant of the HI-FIVE flex head bit ratchet and I ended up with the perfect handle, so I decided to just go for it and am very happy.

I cut this much off of it ( this will become a bit driver eventually)
(https://i.postimg.cc/qvMjwr9B/20230210-190026.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CzXGM3h9)

Then fit this Channellock / mayhew pick handle onto it from the set I have already replaced after previously repurposing one of the handles.
(https://i.postimg.cc/jjDvVXxG/20230210-185919.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LqMjLjZT)
(https://i.postimg.cc/25gGCZ33/20230210-185944.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/t1tW573H)

This really is the perfect handle for it, and makes this little bit ratchet so much nicer.
You no longer have a drive in the handle to use it as a T handle with the extensions pass through feature, but that's not really something I used much anyways.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: bonneyman on February 10, 2023, 11:01:07 PM
i have heard good things about that series of proto ratchets but sadly other than ordering through grainger there is no local source.

i know it isn't fair but they also just don't appeal to me visually.

Yeah, I don't really like the look either.

I've discovered that I don't like smooth handles on ratchets, especially the smaller ones. For 1/4'ers I like knurled, oversize, or rubber handles. Just to get and keep a grip with sweaty or greasy hands. The previous generation HF composite rat is really nice. Rather big contoured handle but just right for a small ratchet.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on February 11, 2023, 03:54:24 AM
I can't say the 4749xl has the greatest grip ever, but I have much worse, seen uglier, us the mechanism and tiny head are great.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on April 15, 2023, 02:45:57 PM
I finally have a good easy driver again thanks to Bman for kindly sending this one to me.

A few years back ( he remembered but I didn't) I traded with him for one that I guess had a bad tab or something, and he recently offered me this one.
 I did a little digging and sure enough I came up with 2 broken ones in a box of random junk in my workshop.
(https://i.postimg.cc/FRvbdsgm/20230415-123108.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/FfPkwvBn)
(https://i.postimg.cc/mg0y4SPP/20230415-123223.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/rDNrCxCT)

Do you think this would be good for 1" sockets?  :D

(https://i.postimg.cc/nLBYhQm0/20230415-123313.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/676GHqYv)

Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on June 01, 2023, 07:24:34 PM
I just got this 1976 Wright set in the mail today.
(https://i.postimg.cc/m2NMvH1K/20230601-115020.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jL2LNCXh)
A great set but the case is the epitome of what I hate about blow moulded cases, and beyond being huge for a 16pc 1/4 socket set it's also a very cheap flimsy plastic.

I have this old Thorsen box that J.A.F.E sent and have yet to find the perfect final purpose for it, I really like it because it's a nice compact size and the divider is removable which is unnecessary but cool.

I still don't know if this will be it's ultimate purpose, but it's certainly a good fit.
(https://i.postimg.cc/MppcgrSj/20230601-170736.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hfNPdshS)
Best of all, it's so much smaller.
(https://i.postimg.cc/tCynN4vk/20230601-170808.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/vDqmQbsx)

Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on June 23, 2023, 06:27:07 PM
I finally Checked an Indestro 2875 off my list.
From what I can see in the sellers picture, it seems to be in very good lightly used condition.
(https://i.postimg.cc/QM4HFDpY/s-l960.webp) (https://postimg.cc/GBDcfZgv)
I had to pony up $28 shipped, but I think it'll be worth it.

Now I just need to find the Powr-Kraft 100 series #4758, the variant with the knurled handle.

They don't come up very often though, and the Easco 71 1106 RHFT is next on my list anyways.
I almost just checked one off, but this indestro had been on my list longer.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on June 24, 2023, 09:29:24 PM
Doing a little digging I learned that there was also the 2875A which is supposedly the 60 tooth update on the originally 52 tooth 2875.
That model sounded familiar,  and I realized that the other NOS indestro I bought last year was a completely different ratchet that's also a 2875A.
A late production roundhead with a pencil thin handle / grip and a smooth but very stiff 45 tooth mechanism.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on June 28, 2023, 02:18:40 PM
The 2875 arrived and it's in excellent condition mostly.
(https://i.postimg.cc/C5ttW2FY/20230628-120624.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Mf7dBdMr)
The only issue which I suspect is responsible for it's nice condition is the fact that it seems to have been a lemon that left the factory without a spring for the ball detent in the anvil.
(https://i.postimg.cc/652FdB0Q/20230628-120634.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/3dhLh5zM)
Thankfully a tool distributor on Ebay has the rebuild kits, both the black oxide finish like this one and the chrome.
(https://i.postimg.cc/pdspKQWz/s-l960-1.webp) (https://postimages.org/)
Sadly it cost me $33 which is more than the ratchet cost, but $28+$33 makes this a $71 ratchet and I'm okay with that.
If indestro was around today making these with the same excellent quality and F&F standards they'd probably cost about that much.

This will be my most expensive 1/4dr ratchet so far, but it's a damn nice 1/4dr ratchet.
 
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: bonneyman on June 28, 2023, 02:43:59 PM
Sorry to hear the, Hickory. I guess that's the new normal, as I've seen Craftsman rebuild kits going for crazy prices on the bay.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on June 28, 2023, 03:00:02 PM
Sorry to hear the, Hickory. I guess that's the new normal, as I've seen Craftsman rebuild kits going for crazy prices on the bay.
And the Craftsman ratchets are extremely common too.
The only ones I'd consider buying a rebuild kit for are the RHFT and the Flying V ratchets, but a complete 1/4dr set with an RHFT or Flying V ratchet in good condition is surprisingly easy to find for a not so outrageous price.
At least I consider $50-$60 to be reasonable for a set when the ratchets by themselves even beat up go for $20 minimum.
I'll but a whole set to get the ratchet in excellent condition before I'd buy a beat up ratchet and add a rebuild kit.


Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: skfarmer on June 29, 2023, 12:22:03 PM
i agree. that indestro ratchet is nice. i have 2 although i seldom use them. more nostalgia as i bought the set in about abought 1980-82 and added the second some time later. i do however think the switch mechanism is  a little week. maybe not so much on the 1/4 but on the 3/8 for sure. i have seen several 3/8 out of commision. the smaller  cast bits can be broken from a severe drop, hitting the cap or accidental use as a "hammer".
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on July 01, 2023, 03:46:12 PM
Some cool New old stock goodness just arrived in the mail today, all the way from Port Aransas TX.
(https://i.postimg.cc/zfdZSJ5X/20230701-114556.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/2qBKCNVP)
(https://i.postimg.cc/LX7cwNnc/20230701-114613.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hzLZ788s)
(https://i.postimg.cc/YCzw06sF/20230701-114649.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/cvCz5nZ1)
(https://i.postimg.cc/8c62SMvj/20230701-114704.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/GTb7PBqC)
(https://i.postimg.cc/hjfF2HP8/20230701-132842.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/DJkYZpGm)
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on July 09, 2023, 07:41:24 PM
I was doing a little work on my minibike a few days ago and came up with a good idea for my 1/4dr kit.

I had previously eliminated the stops on the drawers to make them removable but found I wanted a place to put the top drawer.
The opened lid is a good place to put it, but that puts strain on the hinge so I came up with a quick simple solution for that.
(https://i.postimg.cc/fbKCxdkM/20230709-164810.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/sBM5zvpL)
(https://i.postimg.cc/C1xNJKfk/20230709-164812.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jWBPStcS)
(https://i.postimg.cc/63bhPNdS/20230709-164814.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ZB3392sF)
(https://i.postimg.cc/MHhmWb3m/20230709-164845.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/D4PX6sTS)
(https://i.postimg.cc/QNPbkhNK/20230709-164953.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8sRMT86T)
(https://i.postimg.cc/PrwMS9N3/20230709-164937.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zVqWBdCK)





Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: muddy on July 09, 2023, 09:20:52 PM
Good thinking!

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Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on September 18, 2023, 10:15:51 AM
I just won this NOS factory sealed Armstrong 18-972 on Ebay.
The pictures are terrible but I can see that it's sealed so there's not too much to worry about.

My one concern is that I'm seeing what looks like a little rust staining inside the bag, hopefully it's just some minor corrosion on the surface of the ratchet.
(https://i.postimg.cc/nzFMfXZg/s-l960-4.webp) (https://postimages.org/)
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: Uncle Buck on September 19, 2023, 09:02:12 PM
Indestro ratchets are very nice. I have one in each drive size and like them very much. I think they have a very nice crisp feel while ratcheting.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on September 21, 2023, 02:14:47 PM
Indestro ratchets are very nice. I have one in each drive size and like them very much. I think they have a very nice crisp feel while ratcheting.
They did make some nice ones.
Towards the end they also made some not so nice ones, in design / mechanism not in quality.

A very late type of 2875A roundhead that I got NOS is about the stiffest ratchet I've ever experienced, even after a proper service.
Not a poorly made ratchet,  just a very stiff mechanism.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on September 21, 2023, 02:25:16 PM
The Armstrong arrived today and luckily there was no rust, just dried oil.
(https://i.postimg.cc/GhNsDwdw/20230921-121928.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/9rdM3kDJ)
(https://i.postimg.cc/6qb4zFZZ/20230921-121952.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/YLgSCnb2)
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: bonneyman on September 21, 2023, 07:03:45 PM
Cool magnetic stop!  :08:
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: Uncle Buck on September 21, 2023, 09:57:23 PM
The Armstrong looks great!
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on September 22, 2023, 09:46:04 AM
The Armstrong looks great!
I like the much older 10-901 that I have more, but this is definitely a nice ratchet.
I'm not happy about the price I had to pay, but it wasn't exactly crazy and I'm glad to have it in my collection.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on January 05, 2024, 11:52:22 PM
I picked up an industrial quick release PROTO 4749XL today ( along with the 3/8 5249XL ) and I really like it more than the chrome non QR 4749XL because the knurling is so much better.
(https://i.postimg.cc/dQT7Cgxx/20240105-193309.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XX47S13f)
They're not the best looking and it's kind of weird how the handle is ground a bit offset to the back, but otherwise I really like the XL series.
The grips feel great, the heads are fairly small, tooth count is only 45 but the teeth are fine and backdrag is fairly low.
They're also sealed too, with a gasket attached to the plate, an oring on the front of the gear, and these have an oring on the back around the QR button.

Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on January 07, 2024, 07:00:58 PM
This is most of what I currently have for 1/4dr ratchets,not counting bit ratchets.
There's 3 or 4 I believe not pictured that are in various tool kits.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Dyt7WtWn/20240107-164501.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/7fMFdtMW)
I'm sure I probably even forgot about a ratchet or two.
The WRIGHTS still remain my most used , but in addition to the 2426 and 2495 flex head I also added one of the 2400's to my 1/4dr kit.
I find myself using a number of different sockets at a given time and prefer to be swapping sockets as little as possible.

I keep a full range of 1/4dr sockets and basic set of drive tools in the top of my box with the 3/8 stuff for quick use when I didn't expect to be needing 1/4dr, and so I put the new PROTO 1/4 there along with the matching 3/8 I bought Friday.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: muddy on January 08, 2024, 09:26:08 PM
Nice collection!


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Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on January 09, 2024, 12:56:12 PM
Nice collection!

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Thanks,  there's a few here that don't pop up too often which I'm glad to have.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on February 26, 2024, 11:46:27 PM
I still have yet to ever see a Blackhawk 24991 ratchet on Ebay or really anywhere online since I became an admitted active 1/4 ratchet collector/ accumulator, let alone a 19nd nuggies set or any piece of a set.

My ultimate goal is to be able to replicate the 19nd nuggies set because of how unlikely it'll be to actually get one, plus I really wanted to prove that the set wasn't actually that special.
As it turns out they really were that special, other companies had a very small 1/4 ratchet and other companies made small wrenches but nobody else ( maybe Snapon has, but that'll be too pricey) but Blackhawk made both let alone sufficient options for the other tools in the 19nd set.

I'm half tempted to go Taiwanese because the Titan micro roto head is the perfect ratchet candidate and I'm sure there's some affordable Taiwanese stubby wrenches out there.

To be clear I have no realistic hope of ever owning the 19nd set,  but I do expect a 24991 ratchet to pop up eventually at a reasonable enough price.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on April 15, 2024, 05:57:05 PM
I just got this Litton industries pocket socket in the mail.
(https://i.postimg.cc/RVSFHNwv/20240415-153417.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/c6z0q1Dz)
(https://i.postimg.cc/RZqZgyP8/20240415-153435.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/9D52M8Ht)
Yes it's a gimmick novelty tool, but the quality is not junk and it actually makes a pretty nice lithium wheel ratchet.

I scored it for really cheap because one of the original sockets was supposedly missing and replaced with a random 6mm, but all of the original sockets are actually there and in unused condition.
I don't know if they had more than one to sell or just found the missing socket or what but I'm glad they were all there.
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: bonneyman on April 15, 2024, 07:09:31 PM
Me likey!   :great:
Title: Re: Everything 1/4dr
Post by: hickory n Steel on April 15, 2024, 09:13:54 PM
Me likey!   :great:
It even uses the Kilness patent New Britain mechanism too, and for a gimmick tool like this they did not have to do that.
A typical cheap S必 or WRIGHT type design could have sufficed, but I guess it makes sense since they had the NB tooling.