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Re: Anyone being affected by the shutdown?
« Reply #105 on: January 14, 2019, 02:37:03 PM »
There remains the QUESTION; Can a bottom of the Judicial bucket Federal Judge Order the President to do or not do anything?

Looking to History the Courts stayed out of the President's business from the time FDR told SCOTUS to order whatever they wanted, and he hoped their Supreme Court Police could enforce the order, until Nixon caved and the Courts began to grab more and more power.

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Re: Anyone being affected by the shutdown?
« Reply #106 on: January 14, 2019, 04:51:14 PM »
IAFF is now stepping up to the plate leaving no opportunity unused.
Union power to the max and all that fecal load with a lead into the 2019 why it burned excuse cabinet.
Nice work boys, all the fine students miseducated by your brothers & sisters in the NEA Union might buy it and blame Trump.

"WASHINGTON — Training has been halted for thousands of western firefighters. The U.S. Forest Service can’t let contracts for needed equipment. In forests across the West, no federal employees are doing work to reduce dry “fuel” that feeds catastrophic blazes."
The swill continues at
https://www.firerescue1.com/urban-interface/articles/393290018-Federal-shutdown-has-halted-wildland-firefighter-training-other-wildfire-prep/?NewsletterID=866614&utm_source=MailChimp&utm_medium=email&utm_content=TopNewsMainTitle&utm_campaign=FR1Member&cub_id=*|CUB_ID|*

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Re: Anyone being affected by the shutdown?
« Reply #107 on: January 14, 2019, 07:40:42 PM »
I made the mistake of tuning the radio to npr. They were saying that the average black American has $5 to every $100 that whitey has and then went on to starting to complain that the black government workers were hurting because of Trump.

Talk about reaching.. trying to make it a racial problem. Job for job color makes no difference in the take home check so whitey would be hurting just the same.

Made me sick.
Is the need enough? Or does the want suffice?

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Re: Anyone being affected by the shutdown?
« Reply #108 on: January 14, 2019, 08:16:33 PM »
I made the mistake of tuning the radio to npr. They were saying that the average black American has $5 to every $100 that whitey has and then went on to starting to complain that the black government workers were hurting because of Trump.

Talk about reaching.. trying to make it a racial problem. Job for job color makes no difference in the take home check so whitey would be hurting just the same.

Made me sick.

Typical liberal race-baiting propaganda.
boop/bop/beep

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Re: Anyone being affected by the shutdown?
« Reply #109 on: January 14, 2019, 08:56:25 PM »
Throwing out the racism card for everything hurts when racism happens for real which I have witnessed.

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Re: Anyone being affected by the shutdown?
« Reply #110 on: January 14, 2019, 08:56:41 PM »
I made the mistake of tuning the radio to npr. They were saying that the average black American has $5 to every $100 that whitey has and then went on to starting to complain that the black government workers were hurting because of Trump.

Talk about reaching.. trying to make it a racial problem. Job for job color makes no difference in the take home check so whitey would be hurting just the same.

Made me sick.

There is prejudice in this country, and it is based on color.

And the color is green.

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Re: Anyone being affected by the shutdown?
« Reply #111 on: January 15, 2019, 10:11:44 PM »
Right , I ve always hated that Gazoo bastard.
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Re: Anyone being affected by the shutdown?
« Reply #112 on: January 16, 2019, 08:20:14 AM »
I made the mistake of tuning the radio to npr. They were saying that the average black American has $5 to every $100 that whitey has and then went on to starting to complain that the black government workers were hurting because of Trump.

Talk about reaching.. trying to make it a racial problem. Job for job color makes no difference in the take home check so whitey would be hurting just the same.

Made me sick.

National Propaganda Radio. NPR is disgusting and should be stripped of the federal funding those leaches suck from the public trough.
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Re: Anyone being affected by the shutdown?
« Reply #113 on: January 16, 2019, 02:57:45 PM »
Picked this up on a Yahoo site.  Seems Leslie is a truth teller.

THE BELOW COMMENT WAS FROM LESLIE::::::::::::::::::

I am a woman, and every day the government remains closed is a great one in my books. Here is a great summary why - As one of the senior officials working without a paycheck, a few words of advice for the president’s next move at shuttered government agencies: lock the doors, sell the furniture, and cut them down.

Federal employees are starting to feel the strain of the shutdown. I am one of them. But for the sake of our nation, I hope it lasts a very long time, till the government is changed and can never return to its previous form.

The lapse in appropriations is more than a battle over a wall. It is an opportunity to strip wasteful government agencies for good.

On an average day, roughly 15 percent of the employees around me are exceptional patriots serving their country. I wish I could give competitive salaries to them and no one else. But 80 percent feel no pressure to produce results. If they don’t feel like doing what they are told, they don’t.

Why would they? We can’t fire them. They avoid attention, plan their weekend, schedule vacation, their second job, their next position — some do this in the same position for more than a decade. (RELATED: EPA Employees Who Watched Porn, Harassed Women And Got Promoted)

They do nothing that warrants punishment and nothing of external value. That is their workday: errands for the sake of errands — administering, refining, following and collaborating on process. “Process is your friend” is what delusional civil servants tell themselves. Even senior officials must gain approval from every rank across their department, other agencies and work units for basic administrative chores.

Process is what we serve, process keeps us safe, process is our core value. It takes a lot of people to maintain the process. Process provides jobs. In fact, there are process experts and certified process managers who protect the process. Then there are the 5 percent with moxy (career managers). At any given time they can change, clarify or add to the process — even to distort or block policy counsel for the president.

Saboteurs peddling opinion as research, tasking their staff on pet projects or pitching wasteful grants to their friends. Most of my career colleagues actively work against the president’s agenda. This means I typically spend about 15 percent of my time on the president’s agenda and 85 percent of my time trying to stop sabotage, and we have no power to get rid of them. Until the shutdown.

Due to the lack of funding, many federal agencies are now operating more effectively from the top down on a fraction of their workforce, with only select essential personnel serving national security tasks. One might think this is how government should function, but bureaucracies operate from the bottom up — a collective of self-generated ideas. Ideas become initiatives, formalize into offices, they seek funds from Congress and become bureaus or sub-agencies, and maybe one day grow to be their own independent agency, like ours. The nature of a big administrative bureaucracy is to grow to serve itself. I watch it and fight it daily. (RELATED: Remember When Obama And Clinton Shut Down Government For Their Own Pet Projects?)

When the agency is full, employees held liable for poor performance respond with threats, lawsuits, complaints and process in at least a dozen offices, taking years of mounting paperwork with no fear of accountability, extending their careers, while no real work is done. Do we succumb to such extortion? Yes. We pay them settlements, we waive bad reviews, and we promote them.

Many government agencies have adopted the position that more complaints are good because it shows inclusion in, you guessed it, the process. When complaints come, it is cheaper to pay them off than to hold public servants accountable. The result: People accused of serious offenses are not charged, and self-proclaimed victims are paid by you, the American taxpayer.

The message to federal supervisors is clear. Maintain the status quo, or face allegations. Many federal employees truly believe that doing tasks more efficiently and cutting out waste, by closing troubled programs instead of expanding them, “is morally wrong,” as one cried to me.

I get it. These are their pets. It is tough to put them down and let go, and many resist. This phenomenon was best summed up by a colleague who said, “The goal in government is to do nothing. If you try to get things done, that’s when you will run into trouble.”

But President Trump can end this abuse. Senior officials can reprioritize during an extended shutdown, focus on valuable results and weed out the saboteurs. We do not want most employees to return, because we are working better without them. Sure, we empathize with families making tough financial decisions, like mine, and just like private citizens who have to find other work and bring competitive value every day, while paying more than a third of their salary in federal taxes.

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Re: Anyone being affected by the shutdown?
« Reply #114 on: January 16, 2019, 04:10:57 PM »
Picked this up on a Yahoo site.  Seems Leslie is a truth teller.

THE BELOW COMMENT WAS FROM LESLIE::::::::::::::::::

I am a woman, and every day the government remains closed is a great one in my books. Here is a great summary why - As one of the senior officials working without a paycheck, a few words of advice for the president’s next move at shuttered government agencies: lock the doors, sell the furniture, and cut them down.

Federal employees are starting to feel the strain of the shutdown. I am one of them. But for the sake of our nation, I hope it lasts a very long time, till the government is changed and can never return to its previous form.

The lapse in appropriations is more than a battle over a wall. It is an opportunity to strip wasteful government agencies for good.

On an average day, roughly 15 percent of the employees around me are exceptional patriots serving their country. I wish I could give competitive salaries to them and no one else. But 80 percent feel no pressure to produce results. If they don’t feel like doing what they are told, they don’t.

Why would they? We can’t fire them. They avoid attention, plan their weekend, schedule vacation, their second job, their next position — some do this in the same position for more than a decade. (RELATED: EPA Employees Who Watched Porn, Harassed Women And Got Promoted)

They do nothing that warrants punishment and nothing of external value. That is their workday: errands for the sake of errands — administering, refining, following and collaborating on process. “Process is your friend” is what delusional civil servants tell themselves. Even senior officials must gain approval from every rank across their department, other agencies and work units for basic administrative chores.

Process is what we serve, process keeps us safe, process is our core value. It takes a lot of people to maintain the process. Process provides jobs. In fact, there are process experts and certified process managers who protect the process. Then there are the 5 percent with moxy (career managers). At any given time they can change, clarify or add to the process — even to distort or block policy counsel for the president.

Saboteurs peddling opinion as research, tasking their staff on pet projects or pitching wasteful grants to their friends. Most of my career colleagues actively work against the president’s agenda. This means I typically spend about 15 percent of my time on the president’s agenda and 85 percent of my time trying to stop sabotage, and we have no power to get rid of them. Until the shutdown.

Due to the lack of funding, many federal agencies are now operating more effectively from the top down on a fraction of their workforce, with only select essential personnel serving national security tasks. One might think this is how government should function, but bureaucracies operate from the bottom up — a collective of self-generated ideas. Ideas become initiatives, formalize into offices, they seek funds from Congress and become bureaus or sub-agencies, and maybe one day grow to be their own independent agency, like ours. The nature of a big administrative bureaucracy is to grow to serve itself. I watch it and fight it daily. (RELATED: Remember When Obama And Clinton Shut Down Government For Their Own Pet Projects?)

When the agency is full, employees held liable for poor performance respond with threats, lawsuits, complaints and process in at least a dozen offices, taking years of mounting paperwork with no fear of accountability, extending their careers, while no real work is done. Do we succumb to such extortion? Yes. We pay them settlements, we waive bad reviews, and we promote them.

Many government agencies have adopted the position that more complaints are good because it shows inclusion in, you guessed it, the process. When complaints come, it is cheaper to pay them off than to hold public servants accountable. The result: People accused of serious offenses are not charged, and self-proclaimed victims are paid by you, the American taxpayer.

The message to federal supervisors is clear. Maintain the status quo, or face allegations. Many federal employees truly believe that doing tasks more efficiently and cutting out waste, by closing troubled programs instead of expanding them, “is morally wrong,” as one cried to me.

I get it. These are their pets. It is tough to put them down and let go, and many resist. This phenomenon was best summed up by a colleague who said, “The goal in government is to do nothing. If you try to get things done, that’s when you will run into trouble.”

But President Trump can end this abuse. Senior officials can reprioritize during an extended shutdown, focus on valuable results and weed out the saboteurs. We do not want most employees to return, because we are working better without them. Sure, we empathize with families making tough financial decisions, like mine, and just like private citizens who have to find other work and bring competitive value every day, while paying more than a third of their salary in federal taxes.
What makes senior officails better than any other govt employee? The answer, they aren't

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Re: Anyone being affected by the shutdown?
« Reply #115 on: January 18, 2019, 06:54:45 AM »
A positive affect seen.....  hello ! are my bags on board?
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Re: Anyone being affected by the shutdown?
« Reply #116 on: January 18, 2019, 07:47:24 AM »
^^^^That's funny but as a side note, looks like that stair case is overloaded.  Apparently its made quite well

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Re: Anyone being affected by the shutdown?
« Reply #117 on: January 18, 2019, 09:01:23 AM »
A positive affect seen.....  hello ! are my bags on board?

Pelosi: "The constitution says I have as much power as the president!"

Woody Woodpeckers response:  :)) :)) :))

The old hag could have still gone on the trip - if she picked up the tab. But, as is painfully visible, she's just a leech.
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Re: Anyone being affected by the shutdown?
« Reply #118 on: January 18, 2019, 09:10:40 AM »
All people should be outraged that she wanted to leave the country for 7 days during this shutdown. Stay home and fix the problem Congress. But wait, it is all Trump's fault. ::)

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Re: Anyone being affected by the shutdown?
« Reply #119 on: January 18, 2019, 10:22:24 AM »
She still could have gone - if she paid for the trip herself.

Someone on another forum asked why didn't she use her broom? I figure the shutdown has all of her ground maintenance monkees furloughed - no money for bananas! :D