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« on: August 17, 2021, 08:41:15 PM »
What's everyone ones thoughts on current situation in Afghanistan?


My feelings did a 180 within 24hrs. Before I say my side I'd like to know what you guys think.

Also I'd kinda like to here from you guys on how this compares to Vietnam as in repercussions and public view of withdrawal from their.



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« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2021, 08:58:41 PM »
not old enough to know much about vietnam other than it was time to get out and they really were not a threat to us.

i don't know the right time to get out of afganistan.  don't know if they ever would be a time to get out. i do know that it will now be an open invitiation for every wingnut  who hates the usa to take haven there now that taliban is back in control. too bad it is impossible to level a county to rocks and dust  isn't much else other than rocks and dust.

you can pretty much bet that sooner or later trouble will reemerge from that part of the world and it is a lot easier to keep an eye on it from there rather then when it shows up in your front yard.
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« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2021, 09:04:52 PM »
I would imagine the populous that was friendly to US will suffer the same fate as the South Vietnamese did. This is a royal shit show with those people blood directly on bidens hands. But he will get a pass on this like everything else.

My opinion is we never should have gone in there. We have the assets to level the place without ever endangering an American life. But we dont allow our military to win anymore. its no longer a matter of winning a war but a matter of making folks wealthy.

We as a nation are much less safer tonight because of whats happening in Afghanistan.

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« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2021, 09:16:09 PM »
Vietnam was an unpopular war as time progressed.  Much more so then Afghanistan.  Sadly, a lot of the public treated returning soldiers very poorly as if they had any choice to go there or not. 

As to our withdrawal from Afghanistan,  planning was not thought out enough and a lot of people may die needlessly.  I hope those who helped us, get out safely.  I certainly don't believe the Taliban will honor their talk of safe passage and not retaliating against those who helped us.

In general , we stick our nose in other peoples business way to much and rarely does it go well for us or as it was planned.

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« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2021, 10:53:06 PM »
The Dems fought Trump hard when he wanted to negotiate a peaceful withdrawal with the Taliban which he had obtained. The Taliban respected that if they violated the agreement that they would pay a heavy price. Then Biden was installed and he immediately canceled the planned withdrawal. Now the Taliban is dictating the date and said we must be out by Sept 11 which will be very symbolic to the enemy.

You know the Dems fouled it up when they had to send 6,000 more troops to protect the last 2,500 to leave. I hope all US citizens manage to get out because the Taliban will begin wholesale slaughter. We should of just sent in the B-52's to level parts of the country to take out the terrorist camps and Taliban instead of invading. It would of been less loss of human life and our treasure than what the end result will be coming up.

Vietnam would have ended sooner if the politicians had stayed out of it but they set the rules of engagement just like Afghanistan. I think it is disgusting how our soldiers were treated by the hippies and anti-war protestors. I have family and close neighbors who had no choice but to go over there. We just lost a member of our EAA chapter in a motorcycle accident a couple of months ago. He served multiple tours as a medevac pilot and was honored greatly for flying evac missions when other pilots refused due to the hostile fire. He save many soldiers with his duty to his fellow men. He finished up as the pilot of a Cobra gunship because he wanted a little payback for everything he had to endure and his wounds which affected him for the rest of his life.

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« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2021, 03:53:54 AM »
 Once Bin Laden was killed we should have gotten out of there. trying to train Afghan soldiers was a joke. Most were illiterate, some couldn't count to 5 from what I've read. How you expect them to run modern military equipment if so is beyond me. The exit strategy is lacking for sure. The history of military conflicts in that area should have told us that going in there was a losing proposition

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« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2021, 10:45:37 AM »
Once Bin Laden was killed we should have gotten out of there. trying to train Afghan soldiers was a joke. Most were illiterate, some couldn't count to 5 from what I've read. How you expect them to run modern military equipment if so is beyond me. The exit strategy is lacking for sure. The history of military conflicts in that area should have told us that going in there was a losing proposition

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"Nation building" - what a joke! You can't "give" people freedom - they have to want it and fight for it. If you see this going on in a country then perhaps you can assist.
20 years and trillions later and without a fight the army and leadership bail. What a joke! And we don't even take all the equipment with us - and even leave thousands of Americans hanging. And all Biden can say is, "It's Trumps fault"? But hey, millions voted for this idiot and millions more votes were fabricated. And law enforcement, politicians, and SCOTUS just ring their hands. 9/11 was horrible - but we're going to get hit again worse leaving Afghanistan the way we did.

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« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2021, 01:01:23 PM »
I haven't read the responses yet, I'm just going to say this, if it took 2,500 US troops to stay over there indefinitely, keep the peace and keep Afghanistan from being a breeding ground for terrorists, that was some of the best money we could've spent.

Biden is a fucking idiot.  He left those people hung out to dry.  As Robert Gates I believe it was said, Biden has been wrong on every big foreign policy issue the last fifty years.
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« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2021, 01:28:56 PM »
The biggest harm done with this whole shit show has nothing to with taliban. China is watching this unfold and taking notes on what the US and Bidens response will be if they invade Taiwan and continue their expansion in the south china sea.

China's notes thus far:  biden blame Trump for us invading then hide from public view. #2 in command is political hack who no know what she do..................invaide now.......ps stop sending hunter crack money, he smoke it before it get to big guy. 

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« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2021, 04:58:44 PM »

Biden is a fucking idiot.  He left those people hung out to dry.  As Robert Gates I believe it was said, Biden has been wrong on every big foreign policy issue the last fifty years.
Didn't Trump put this in motion?

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« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2021, 05:12:42 PM »

Biden is a fucking idiot.  He left those people hung out to dry.  As Robert Gates I believe it was said, Biden has been wrong on every big foreign policy issue the last fifty years.
Didn't Trump put this in motion?
Damn dude give up on the MSM and read some. Trump did have a setup withdrawl that YOUR idiot president threw out. Thanks to Biden the Taliban is the best funded and well armed terrorist army in the world.

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« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2021, 06:16:43 PM »

Biden is a fucking idiot.  He left those people hung out to dry.  As Robert Gates I believe it was said, Biden has been wrong on every big foreign policy issue the last fifty years.
Didn't Trump put this in motion?
Damn dude give up on the MSM and read some. Trump did have a setup withdrawl that YOUR idiot president threw out. Thanks to Biden the Taliban is the best funded and well armed terrorist army in the world.
Our troops would have out in May if Biden hadn't canceled the plan and agreement. What a laugh when people try to blame this fiasco on anybody but Biden and his handlers.

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« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2021, 06:18:25 PM »
Obama gave $150 billion in cash to Iran (our sworn enemy) and Biden gives billions in supplies and ammo to the Taliban (our sworn enemies). All part of the Demrat training course - screw America while brown-nosing the enemy.

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« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2021, 12:47:47 AM »
And btw, some of those terrorists involved in the Taliban takeover were ones the great Obama traded for that deserter in 2014.
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« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2021, 04:37:38 AM »

Biden is a fucking idiot.  He left those people hung out to dry.  As Robert Gates I believe it was said, Biden has been wrong on every big foreign policy issue the last fifty years.
Didn't Trump put this in motion?
Damn dude give up on the MSM and read some. Trump did have a setup withdrawl that YOUR idiot president threw out. Thanks to Biden the Taliban is the best funded and well armed terrorist army in the world.
Personally I'd put the blame on Bush for getting us there to begin with. That place has never been good to invading armies and that continues to hold true. Biden hasn't done a good job withdrawing and the folks left behind are going to pay with their lives in a lot of cases. In the end the US had to get out  of there as it appears the trained Afghan army had no interest in fighting so all our efforts were for naught.

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« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2021, 07:28:18 AM »

Biden is a fucking idiot.  He left those people hung out to dry.  As Robert Gates I believe it was said, Biden has been wrong on every big foreign policy issue the last fifty years.
Didn't Trump put this in motion?
Damn dude give up on the MSM and read some. Trump did have a setup withdrawl that YOUR idiot president threw out. Thanks to Biden the Taliban is the best funded and well armed terrorist army in the world.
Personally I'd put the blame on Bush for getting us there to begin with. That place has never been good to invading armies and that continues to hold true. Biden hasn't done a good job withdrawing and the folks left behind are going to pay with their lives in a lot of cases. In the end the US had to get out  of there as it appears the trained Afghan army had no interest in fighting so all our efforts were for naught.

Understatement of the century.

For four years we heard the media constantly tell us Trump wasn't qualified to be President.  It's pretty obvious who shouldn't be president.  Biden is a senile, corrupt, old windbag who never ran anything successfully in his life.  And because of that, countless people are dying or dead.

Blame Bush?  Seriously?!  That's all Obama did for eight years.  Biden says the buck stops with him but he doesn't want to take any responsibility.  He's a total piece of shit and he'll forever have blood on his hands, as will the media.
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« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2021, 08:54:13 AM »
Read a real good article this morning about a son and dad who had a conversation about Afghanistan on Thanksgiving in 2001 after 9/11.  The Dad had learned the language and went there for work in 1969.  He told his son that as soon as the Taliban was swept away we should leave right away.  Of course the son disagreed and said we should stay and establish a functioning government.  Dad said it couldn't be done.  Afghanistan had never been ruled from the center and likely couldn't be.  they are tribal people.

Couldn't post a link but google Noah Feldman  I should have listened to my Dad about Afghanistan

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Great article, opinion piece but really rang true



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« Reply #17 on: August 19, 2021, 09:00:50 AM »
Understatement of the century.

For four years we heard the media constantly tell us Trump wasn't qualified to be President.  It's pretty obvious who shouldn't be president.  Biden is a senile, corrupt, old windbag who never ran anything successfully in his life.  And because of that, countless people are dying or dead.

Blame Bush?  Seriously?!  That's all Obama did for eight years.  Biden says the buck stops with him but he doesn't want to take any responsibility.  He's a total piece of shit and he'll forever have blood on his hands, as will the media.

Big 10-4. It was all Bush's fault - until Osama got nailed in 2011. Then Obama was all over it. But with Benghazi in 2013, again Hitlery and Obama pointed the fingers everywhere else. Trump gets in in 2016, and it was a stolen election, he's incompetent, etc. Biden steals the election in 2020 and one is now labeled a terrorist if they say the vote was rigged.

But what do we expect with a generation of woke-tard, lazy, clueless, socialist-loving liberals running so much of the show?

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« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2021, 11:34:34 AM »
Here's the legacy.

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« Reply #19 on: August 20, 2021, 09:59:32 PM »
Read a real good article this morning about a son and dad who had a conversation about Afghanistan on Thanksgiving in 2001 after 9/11.  The Dad had learned the language and went there for work in 1969.  He told his son that as soon as the Taliban was swept away we should leave right away.  Of course the son disagreed and said we should stay and establish a functioning government.  Dad said it couldn't be done.  Afghanistan had never been ruled from the center and likely couldn't be.  they are tribal people.

Couldn't post a link but google Noah Feldman  I should have listened to my Dad about Afghanistan

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Great article, opinion piece but really rang true
As was seen the Afghanis don't want to fight for freedom. They have been at war since the cave men years there is no changing them.

This just proves in a big way that freedom is not free and must be fought for. If your not willing to fight, it doesn't matter what is given to you.

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« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2021, 09:37:58 AM »
If you Google "Afghanistan 1960s" you will see that at one time in its recent history, Afghan society was pretty secular. Modern streets, architecture, dress, women going to schools and universities, and the adoption of many western customs. That all changed when the Mujahidin and Taliban took up the insurgency after the Soviet invasion in the late 1970s. That Soviet invasion changed the balance of power and began a resurgence of Islamic fundamentalism not only within the country, but also the entire region.

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« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2021, 02:54:18 PM »
I am afraid of what will happen in 5 to 10 years when kids grew up with out the threat of Taliban will harbor resentment towards the U.S.
Yes Trump wanted to withdrawal, but he listened to the generals about that. It is a shame when political agendas put troops in danger.
it is such a shit show to see such incompetent politicians point fingers and never take any blame.

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« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2021, 06:48:02 PM »

Erick-Woods Erickson
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Barack Obama, Donald Trump, and Joe Biden all wanted to leave Afghanistan. Only Joe Biden decided to pull the trigger.

It’s how he pulled the trigger that matters greatly.

As Afghanistan falls to the Taliban we know a few things.

Joe Biden ignored the advice of his top generals.

He relied on an intelligence assessment that was false.

He failed to consult American allies.

He ensured the Afghan military would be crippled as we exited.

He timed the department symbolically and with hubris to coincide with the 20th anniversary of 9/11.

As Afghanistan fell, Joe Biden went into hiding at Camp David.

These are not idle statements.

Press reports first circulated in April that Joe Biden rejected his generals’ advice. Right up to the end, the generals wanted a longer play to ensure stability, but Biden rejected them.

In so doing, Biden relied on intelligence that led him to claim the Taliban would not sweep back in like in Saigon. He rejected the idea that there’d be helicopter evacuations from Kabul. That is exactly what we got.

We also now know he failed to consult with our allies or consider their input. Today, American allies globally worry the United States is no longer interested in or able to lead.

U.S. allies complain that they were not fully consulted on a policy decision that potentially puts their own national security interests at risk — in contravention of President Biden's promises to recommit to global engagement.

And many around the world are wondering whether they could rely on the United States to fulfill long-standing security commitments stretching from Europe to East Asia.

This is perhaps the most damning one from the standpoint of four years of talking heads complaining about Donald Trump’s relationship to the international community. It was remarkable over the week to realize just how quiet so many pundits were who spent years blasting Trump for his international outings.

We also know Biden ordered the American military to cripple the Afghan Army’s ability to defend Afghanistan as we fled. Biden set up the Taliban to take back over. This is just damning from the Wall Street Journal.

In the wake of President Biden’s withdrawal decision, the U.S. pulled its air support, intelligence and contractors servicing Afghanistan’s planes and helicopters. That meant the Afghan military simply couldn’t operate anymore. The same happened with another failed American effort, the South Vietnamese army in the 1970s, said retired Lt. Gen. Daniel Bolger, who commanded the U.S.-led coalition’s mission to train Afghan forces in 2011-2013.

All this so Joe Biden could vacate the premises on the anniversary of September 11, 2001. The Taliban have now returned to power and the loss of American lives has been in vain.

It was never about nation-building. It was about holding a land so the terrorists could not. We did that and in the last year, we have had no casualties.

Now the Taliban is coming back in and is stronger than ever. Had Biden done nothing, we could have continued on with minimal to no loss of life and not had the Taliban controlling a country.

Joe Biden has surrendered to the Taliban. They now have our military hardware and weaponry and a whole nation from which to plot their revenge. This is disgraceful.

In leaving Afghanistan, Biden commanded our military to cripple the Afghan military and put American personnel in the unfortunate position of having to flee. Two months ago, instead of preparing for our departure, the American Embassy in Kabul tweeted about gay pride month with a picture of a rainbow flag.

Perhaps they have left behind the rainbow flag, but the Ambassador was last seen fleeing with the American flag. Tweets and virtue signaling are not enough to stop terrorists who wish us dead. But the Biden Team seems not to know or not to care.

This was objectively disastrous. Shame on Joe Biden. The best he can hope for is indifference from an apathetic America because this was truly damnable.
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« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2021, 11:42:08 PM »
What I'm hearing is China called in some favors, threatening Biden with scandals if he didn't get rid of the existing Afghan gov. China wants the minerals - the USA installed regime wouldn't deal. So China got Biden to get rid of them, because the Taliban loves fellow evil dictators. The fact that we lost hundreds of billions in hardware and thousands of Americans stranded means far less to old Joe than his being blackmailed.

Can't confirm but sounds extremely credible.

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« Reply #24 on: August 22, 2021, 10:28:37 AM »
The whole middle east is a shit show. We should have went in and wiped out the whole area during the Iran hostage mess.

I had a couple of high school buds spent some time over there and they were telling me 10 yrs ago that these people cant lead themselves. They dont want to be put in charge of anything because those are the people who get killed during the next change of power. The ones who do take positions of leadership just do it to steal everything they can and sell it.

Nation building is a farce that our politicians and war machine use to siphon millions of dollars off of. How many American lives have been lost over the past 50 years "nation building"? And what do we have to show for it? We'd have been better off to simply go in and bomb the shit out of them and leave.  Instead we go and take out some "evil dictator" and create a power vacuum that all the little warlords go to fighting over. To win you have to beat your opponent, when all your opponent understands is brutality and your morals wont let you stoop to their level of brutality you will never win.

Make no mistake, our sworn enemies won this one. And we as a country are much less safer today.


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« Reply #25 on: August 22, 2021, 04:22:18 PM »
Slipknot. Very interesting thought about why folks don't take leadership positions. Makes a ton of sense about not wanting to die.  And no doubt the ones that do, enrich themselves.

Your nation building is spot on.  Never get the result we want and always get trouble.  I have always wished we minded our own business.  But that doesn't seem to be in the cards from eithr side.  I guess war is too big of business to let fail. :c002: :91: :41:

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« Reply #26 on: August 26, 2021, 11:06:06 AM »
Supposedly a bomb went off at Airport in Kabul, that can't be good.

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« Reply #27 on: August 26, 2021, 11:54:32 AM »
heard that too

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« Reply #28 on: August 26, 2021, 12:21:33 PM »
Supposedly a bomb went off at Airport in Kabul, that can't be good.

I think we are going to live in a much more dangerous world from now on. Our enemies (both domestic and foreign) have been emboldened by this botched Afghan political wrangling. They now see the US military as a neutered organization. The irony is that our own top leadership (civilian and military) are responsible for this fiasco.

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« Reply #29 on: August 26, 2021, 03:16:25 PM »
Supposedly a bomb went off at Airport in Kabul, that can't be good.

I think we are going to live in a much more dangerous world from now on. Our enemies (both domestic and foreign) have been emboldened by this botched Afghan political wrangling. They now see the US military as a neutered organization. The irony is that our own top leadership (civilian and military) are responsible for this fiasco.

True - but that's only half the story. Sure, our enemies are going to be emboldened by our impotence. But our allies are going to lose confidence in our abilities as well. So in one fell swoop, the Obama/Biden/Deep State strengthens our enemies while simultaneously weakening our friends. Totally dispicable!

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« Reply #30 on: August 26, 2021, 03:35:27 PM »
Latest word is 11 Marines and 1 Navy medic dead with 15 wounded. Our commanders are trying to make deals with the Taliban for protection from ISIS-K at the airport. What a shit show at the cost of American lives.

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« Reply #31 on: August 26, 2021, 05:15:14 PM »
A lot of blood on Bidens hands.


I hope those that supported him as the kinder gentler candidate are happy with that choice now.

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« Reply #32 on: August 26, 2021, 08:02:21 PM »
Watching his address on it just shows his incompetence. This shit show in the sandbox is long from over.

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« Reply #33 on: August 27, 2021, 12:33:05 AM »
A lot of blood on Bidens hands.

I hope those that supported him as the kinder gentler candidate are happy with that choice now.

I've been thinking the same thing.  Normally you can look at all this bullshit the Left is spouting and just shake your head.  This time, I'm pissed because all this nonsense has cost untold American and Afghani lives.  The right thing for Biden to do would be to resign, but then we'd be left with someone even more incompetent.
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« Reply #34 on: August 27, 2021, 08:18:03 AM »
Afghanistan...

This is no surprise, it has happened to EVERY country that has gone there. They leave in a river of blood.

To not have seen this coming, is like expecting a Demorate to have  common sense .


I knew this was going to happen the day we sent the first boots over.

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« Reply #35 on: August 27, 2021, 12:11:17 PM »
Pep, we won't learn or sadly the elites won't care.  To think either side is looking out for our best interests is naive.  They all talk a good game but it's not our interests they look out for.  First and foremost, politicians, especially on the national level look to remain in power.  If we benefit, its luck.

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« Reply #36 on: August 27, 2021, 03:14:45 PM »
Pep, we won't learn or sadly the elites won't care.  To think either side is looking out for our best interests is naive.  They all talk a good game but it's not our interests they look out for.  First and foremost, politicians, especially on the national level look to remain in power.  If we benefit, its luck.

+1 -- They (the politicians on both sides of he aisle) serve their globalist corporate masters. We the people and our military get the shaft every time.
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« Reply #37 on: August 27, 2021, 04:02:02 PM »
Pep, we won't learn or sadly the elites won't care.  To think either side is looking out for our best interests is naive.  They all talk a good game but it's not our interests they look out for.  First and foremost, politicians, especially on the national level look to remain in power.  If we benefit, its luck.

+2, I think thats why Trump was so vilified by both sides of the aisle. He wasn't a politician.

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« Reply #38 on: August 27, 2021, 08:02:08 PM »
Sad situation...

As an active duty AF member for over 28yrs with over 3 years in SE Asia during the Iran/Iraq war and Desert Shield/Desert Storm era I find it difficult to believe that there was not better intel and planning.

Both military and civilian leaders should be held accountable.

Keep the families of the Marines and Navy Corpsman in your thoughts and prayers.
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« Reply #39 on: August 27, 2021, 08:45:10 PM »
"Keep the families of the Marines and Navy Corpsman in your thoughts and prayers."

Absolutely.
Is the need enough? Or does the want suffice?

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« Reply #40 on: August 28, 2021, 10:12:28 AM »
So now they are claiming to have taken out an ISIS-K planner in an over the horizon unmanned aircraft strike. That makes no sense as if they had the intel why not take him out sooner. Nothing but a distraction from the failures.

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« Reply #41 on: August 30, 2021, 07:16:42 PM »
Sad situation...

As an active duty AF member for over 28yrs with over 3 years in SE Asia during the Iran/Iraq war and Desert Shield/Desert Storm era I find it difficult to believe that there was not better intel and planning.

Both military and civilian leaders should be held accountable.

Keep the families of the Marines and Navy Corpsman in your thoughts and prayers.
There was plenty of Intel, Biden ignored it

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« Reply #42 on: August 31, 2021, 08:30:40 AM »
So now they are claiming to have taken out an ISIS-K planner in an over the horizon unmanned aircraft strike. That makes no sense as if they had the intel why not take him out sooner. Nothing but a distraction from the failures.

So the Over the Horizon Gang took out Hasan, the Office Birthday Party Planner down in HR.  Good grief!

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Re: Afghanistan...
« Reply #43 on: August 31, 2021, 03:42:23 PM »
When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An' go to your Gawd like a soldier.
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
So-oldier of the Queen!
"Those wars are unjust which are undertaken without provocation.
 For only a war waged for revenge or defense can be just"

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Re: Afghanistan...
« Reply #44 on: August 31, 2021, 06:37:37 PM »
When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An' go to your Gawd like a soldier.
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
So-oldier of the Queen!
Unfortunately that is  probably a pretty accurate statement.
from the ashes shall rise a phoenix

i was here when the hangout turned into mexican food site!

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Re: Afghanistan...
« Reply #45 on: August 31, 2021, 07:12:03 PM »
When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An' go to your Gawd like a soldier.
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
So-oldier of the Queen!
Unfortunately that is  probably a pretty accurate statement.

The question is - what do the Chinese, and their allies, the Pakistanis do now? The Chinese will certainly use the Pakistanis as their proxy to assert control over the entire region. That is a not a good geo-political scenario. India is certainly in their collective sights.

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« Reply #46 on: August 31, 2021, 07:35:17 PM »
Yeah that will be the " i told you so moment" if china moves in.
Is the need enough? Or does the want suffice?

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Re: Afghanistan...
« Reply #47 on: August 31, 2021, 09:15:53 PM »
The taliban are already working with china. China's probably after the rare earth minerals thats in the region.

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Re: Afghanistan...
« Reply #48 on: September 09, 2021, 06:31:26 AM »
And it begins....



https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/09/asia/china-vaccines-aid-afghanistan-intl-hnk/index.html

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Re: Afghanistan...
« Reply #49 on: September 09, 2021, 08:34:57 AM »
And it begins....



https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/09/asia/china-vaccines-aid-afghanistan-intl-hnk/index.html

Sent from the twisted mind of the mudman



Chinese and Afghan culture are not compatible. The more the Chinese exert control and influence in that country, the more the Afghanis will push back. Conflict between these two current "partners" is inevitable. It doesn't bode well for the entire region. Pakistan may be able to keep a lid on it for a while, but it will only make the political pressure cooker more volatile.