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Offline Lookin4_67GalaxieConv

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Re: Afghanistan...
« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2021, 07:28:18 AM »

Biden is a fucking idiot.  He left those people hung out to dry.  As Robert Gates I believe it was said, Biden has been wrong on every big foreign policy issue the last fifty years.
Didn't Trump put this in motion?
Damn dude give up on the MSM and read some. Trump did have a setup withdrawl that YOUR idiot president threw out. Thanks to Biden the Taliban is the best funded and well armed terrorist army in the world.
Personally I'd put the blame on Bush for getting us there to begin with. That place has never been good to invading armies and that continues to hold true. Biden hasn't done a good job withdrawing and the folks left behind are going to pay with their lives in a lot of cases. In the end the US had to get out  of there as it appears the trained Afghan army had no interest in fighting so all our efforts were for naught.

Understatement of the century.

For four years we heard the media constantly tell us Trump wasn't qualified to be President.  It's pretty obvious who shouldn't be president.  Biden is a senile, corrupt, old windbag who never ran anything successfully in his life.  And because of that, countless people are dying or dead.

Blame Bush?  Seriously?!  That's all Obama did for eight years.  Biden says the buck stops with him but he doesn't want to take any responsibility.  He's a total piece of shit and he'll forever have blood on his hands, as will the media.
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« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2021, 08:54:13 AM »
Read a real good article this morning about a son and dad who had a conversation about Afghanistan on Thanksgiving in 2001 after 9/11.  The Dad had learned the language and went there for work in 1969.  He told his son that as soon as the Taliban was swept away we should leave right away.  Of course the son disagreed and said we should stay and establish a functioning government.  Dad said it couldn't be done.  Afghanistan had never been ruled from the center and likely couldn't be.  they are tribal people.

Couldn't post a link but google Noah Feldman  I should have listened to my Dad about Afghanistan

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Great article, opinion piece but really rang true



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« Reply #17 on: August 19, 2021, 09:00:50 AM »
Understatement of the century.

For four years we heard the media constantly tell us Trump wasn't qualified to be President.  It's pretty obvious who shouldn't be president.  Biden is a senile, corrupt, old windbag who never ran anything successfully in his life.  And because of that, countless people are dying or dead.

Blame Bush?  Seriously?!  That's all Obama did for eight years.  Biden says the buck stops with him but he doesn't want to take any responsibility.  He's a total piece of shit and he'll forever have blood on his hands, as will the media.

Big 10-4. It was all Bush's fault - until Osama got nailed in 2011. Then Obama was all over it. But with Benghazi in 2013, again Hitlery and Obama pointed the fingers everywhere else. Trump gets in in 2016, and it was a stolen election, he's incompetent, etc. Biden steals the election in 2020 and one is now labeled a terrorist if they say the vote was rigged.

But what do we expect with a generation of woke-tard, lazy, clueless, socialist-loving liberals running so much of the show?

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Re: Afghanistan...
« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2021, 11:34:34 AM »
Here's the legacy.

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« Reply #19 on: August 20, 2021, 09:59:32 PM »
Read a real good article this morning about a son and dad who had a conversation about Afghanistan on Thanksgiving in 2001 after 9/11.  The Dad had learned the language and went there for work in 1969.  He told his son that as soon as the Taliban was swept away we should leave right away.  Of course the son disagreed and said we should stay and establish a functioning government.  Dad said it couldn't be done.  Afghanistan had never been ruled from the center and likely couldn't be.  they are tribal people.

Couldn't post a link but google Noah Feldman  I should have listened to my Dad about Afghanistan

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Great article, opinion piece but really rang true
As was seen the Afghanis don't want to fight for freedom. They have been at war since the cave men years there is no changing them.

This just proves in a big way that freedom is not free and must be fought for. If your not willing to fight, it doesn't matter what is given to you.

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Re: Afghanistan...
« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2021, 09:37:58 AM »
If you Google "Afghanistan 1960s" you will see that at one time in its recent history, Afghan society was pretty secular. Modern streets, architecture, dress, women going to schools and universities, and the adoption of many western customs. That all changed when the Mujahidin and Taliban took up the insurgency after the Soviet invasion in the late 1970s. That Soviet invasion changed the balance of power and began a resurgence of Islamic fundamentalism not only within the country, but also the entire region.

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Re: Afghanistan...
« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2021, 02:54:18 PM »
I am afraid of what will happen in 5 to 10 years when kids grew up with out the threat of Taliban will harbor resentment towards the U.S.
Yes Trump wanted to withdrawal, but he listened to the generals about that. It is a shame when political agendas put troops in danger.
it is such a shit show to see such incompetent politicians point fingers and never take any blame.

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Re: Afghanistan...
« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2021, 06:48:02 PM »

Erick-Woods Erickson
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Barack Obama, Donald Trump, and Joe Biden all wanted to leave Afghanistan. Only Joe Biden decided to pull the trigger.

It’s how he pulled the trigger that matters greatly.

As Afghanistan falls to the Taliban we know a few things.

Joe Biden ignored the advice of his top generals.

He relied on an intelligence assessment that was false.

He failed to consult American allies.

He ensured the Afghan military would be crippled as we exited.

He timed the department symbolically and with hubris to coincide with the 20th anniversary of 9/11.

As Afghanistan fell, Joe Biden went into hiding at Camp David.

These are not idle statements.

Press reports first circulated in April that Joe Biden rejected his generals’ advice. Right up to the end, the generals wanted a longer play to ensure stability, but Biden rejected them.

In so doing, Biden relied on intelligence that led him to claim the Taliban would not sweep back in like in Saigon. He rejected the idea that there’d be helicopter evacuations from Kabul. That is exactly what we got.

We also now know he failed to consult with our allies or consider their input. Today, American allies globally worry the United States is no longer interested in or able to lead.

U.S. allies complain that they were not fully consulted on a policy decision that potentially puts their own national security interests at risk — in contravention of President Biden's promises to recommit to global engagement.

And many around the world are wondering whether they could rely on the United States to fulfill long-standing security commitments stretching from Europe to East Asia.

This is perhaps the most damning one from the standpoint of four years of talking heads complaining about Donald Trump’s relationship to the international community. It was remarkable over the week to realize just how quiet so many pundits were who spent years blasting Trump for his international outings.

We also know Biden ordered the American military to cripple the Afghan Army’s ability to defend Afghanistan as we fled. Biden set up the Taliban to take back over. This is just damning from the Wall Street Journal.

In the wake of President Biden’s withdrawal decision, the U.S. pulled its air support, intelligence and contractors servicing Afghanistan’s planes and helicopters. That meant the Afghan military simply couldn’t operate anymore. The same happened with another failed American effort, the South Vietnamese army in the 1970s, said retired Lt. Gen. Daniel Bolger, who commanded the U.S.-led coalition’s mission to train Afghan forces in 2011-2013.

All this so Joe Biden could vacate the premises on the anniversary of September 11, 2001. The Taliban have now returned to power and the loss of American lives has been in vain.

It was never about nation-building. It was about holding a land so the terrorists could not. We did that and in the last year, we have had no casualties.

Now the Taliban is coming back in and is stronger than ever. Had Biden done nothing, we could have continued on with minimal to no loss of life and not had the Taliban controlling a country.

Joe Biden has surrendered to the Taliban. They now have our military hardware and weaponry and a whole nation from which to plot their revenge. This is disgraceful.

In leaving Afghanistan, Biden commanded our military to cripple the Afghan military and put American personnel in the unfortunate position of having to flee. Two months ago, instead of preparing for our departure, the American Embassy in Kabul tweeted about gay pride month with a picture of a rainbow flag.

Perhaps they have left behind the rainbow flag, but the Ambassador was last seen fleeing with the American flag. Tweets and virtue signaling are not enough to stop terrorists who wish us dead. But the Biden Team seems not to know or not to care.

This was objectively disastrous. Shame on Joe Biden. The best he can hope for is indifference from an apathetic America because this was truly damnable.
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Re: Afghanistan...
« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2021, 11:42:08 PM »
What I'm hearing is China called in some favors, threatening Biden with scandals if he didn't get rid of the existing Afghan gov. China wants the minerals - the USA installed regime wouldn't deal. So China got Biden to get rid of them, because the Taliban loves fellow evil dictators. The fact that we lost hundreds of billions in hardware and thousands of Americans stranded means far less to old Joe than his being blackmailed.

Can't confirm but sounds extremely credible.

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« Reply #24 on: August 22, 2021, 10:28:37 AM »
The whole middle east is a shit show. We should have went in and wiped out the whole area during the Iran hostage mess.

I had a couple of high school buds spent some time over there and they were telling me 10 yrs ago that these people cant lead themselves. They dont want to be put in charge of anything because those are the people who get killed during the next change of power. The ones who do take positions of leadership just do it to steal everything they can and sell it.

Nation building is a farce that our politicians and war machine use to siphon millions of dollars off of. How many American lives have been lost over the past 50 years "nation building"? And what do we have to show for it? We'd have been better off to simply go in and bomb the shit out of them and leave.  Instead we go and take out some "evil dictator" and create a power vacuum that all the little warlords go to fighting over. To win you have to beat your opponent, when all your opponent understands is brutality and your morals wont let you stoop to their level of brutality you will never win.

Make no mistake, our sworn enemies won this one. And we as a country are much less safer today.


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« Reply #25 on: August 22, 2021, 04:22:18 PM »
Slipknot. Very interesting thought about why folks don't take leadership positions. Makes a ton of sense about not wanting to die.  And no doubt the ones that do, enrich themselves.

Your nation building is spot on.  Never get the result we want and always get trouble.  I have always wished we minded our own business.  But that doesn't seem to be in the cards from eithr side.  I guess war is too big of business to let fail. :c002: :91: :41:

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Re: Afghanistan...
« Reply #26 on: August 26, 2021, 11:06:06 AM »
Supposedly a bomb went off at Airport in Kabul, that can't be good.

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« Reply #27 on: August 26, 2021, 11:54:32 AM »
heard that too

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Re: Afghanistan...
« Reply #28 on: August 26, 2021, 12:21:33 PM »
Supposedly a bomb went off at Airport in Kabul, that can't be good.

I think we are going to live in a much more dangerous world from now on. Our enemies (both domestic and foreign) have been emboldened by this botched Afghan political wrangling. They now see the US military as a neutered organization. The irony is that our own top leadership (civilian and military) are responsible for this fiasco.

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« Reply #29 on: August 26, 2021, 03:16:25 PM »
Supposedly a bomb went off at Airport in Kabul, that can't be good.

I think we are going to live in a much more dangerous world from now on. Our enemies (both domestic and foreign) have been emboldened by this botched Afghan political wrangling. They now see the US military as a neutered organization. The irony is that our own top leadership (civilian and military) are responsible for this fiasco.

True - but that's only half the story. Sure, our enemies are going to be emboldened by our impotence. But our allies are going to lose confidence in our abilities as well. So in one fell swoop, the Obama/Biden/Deep State strengthens our enemies while simultaneously weakening our friends. Totally dispicable!