I went to buy a Mantis tiller off Face Book and saw a Athol No. 114 L vise on the floor next too the trash. I have a thing for these Athol vises. There pretty heavy for the size of it. The Mantis I bought as is. I figured it most likely will need carb work as it hasn't been run in a few years. It had no gas in the tank , so that's a good thing. I'll try to fire it up tomorrow. So, for $ 75.00 I got a Mantis & Athol vise.