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Is diversity a good thing?
« on: January 04, 2019, 04:26:40 PM »
Been giving this some thought lately as it seems diversity is being touted as good by the progressives but I wonder. 

And I am not referring so much to race as I am religion.  It seems mixing of religions in a geographical location causes problems.  You need look no further then Europe and see the problems caused by mixing of Muslims and Christians.  And of course the Middle East with Muslims and Jews and Christians too. 

I know in the Old Testament that God commanded Israel not to marry outside of the Jewish race.  He knew if Jews married Gentiles they would abandon Him and chase foreign gods.  And of course they didn't listen and got carried off into exile time after time. 

Most of you know I am a Christian, as many here are but in my experience, if the Baptists can't get along with the Methodist's and Catholics, how the heck can we get along with folks with a totally different belief system. 

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« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2019, 05:23:17 PM »
I think diversity is a tool of the left and always has been. I have no problems with anyone, or any of their religions etc. I have a problem with anything that is essentially a political tool which is what I have always thought the whole "diversity" issue is, a tool of the left, so I am skeptical and do not trust the motives of those pushing the issue.
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« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2019, 05:27:12 PM »
I have the right to remain silent.  ;)

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« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2019, 05:41:22 PM »
Diversity is being legislated and made into a political football for one single purpose -- to divide this country (as outlined by Saul Alinsky in his infamous guidebook for radicals). The more you can pigeon hole people into special interest groups under the guise of diversity, and appeal to their "special status" as a way to pit them against other special interest groups; the more power government demands as a way to arbitrate the disputes among the special interests.

Contrary to what the progressives and the educational establishment teaches; It isn't diversity that makes America great -- it's the things we all have in common as a people that make us great. Common sense values, the importance of the family unit as the fundamental core of our society, and most importantly the belief in American exceptionalism as it impacts all men regardless of race/creed/color.

Leftist Alinksy followers knew full well (even back in the mid-20th century) that in order to undermine our country, they would first have to denigrate/destroy our institutions (family, church, schools, and eventually government) -- Diversity was/is one of the weapons they chose to achieve these goals.

I had a very leftist Professor back in college in the 1970's -- more left than most back in the day, and he was a committed Alinskyite. He let it be known publicly in class that his goal (and that of many of his peers) for the long term was to divide the races (through diversity), take over the K-12 schools, and destroy the religious base of the United States. Almost fifty years later, as I look back, I tend to believe they almost succeeded.
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Re: Is diversity a good thing?
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2019, 11:19:51 AM »
Thank you Ray for providing a better explanation of my position and what I was trying to say than I was able to express. I greatly appreciate that!
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« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2019, 01:13:50 PM »
Diversity is being legislated and made into a political football for one single purpose -- to divide this country (as outlined by Saul Alinsky in his infamous guidebook for radicals). The more you can pigeon hole people into special interest groups under the guise of diversity, and appeal to their "special status" as a way to pit them against other special interest groups; the more power government demands as a way to arbitrate the disputes among the special interests.

Contrary to what the progressives and the educational establishment teaches; It isn't diversity that makes America great -- it's the things we all have in common as a people that make us great. Common sense values, the importance of the family unit as the fundamental core of our society, and most importantly the belief in American exceptionalism as it impacts all men regardless of race/creed/color.

Leftist Alinksy followers knew full well (even back in the mid-20th century) that in order to undermine our country, they would first have to denigrate/destroy our institutions (family, church, schools, and eventually government) -- Diversity was/is one of the weapons they chose to achieve these goals.

I had a very leftist Professor back in college in the 1970's -- more left than most back in the day, and he was a committed Alinskyite. He let it be known publicly in class that his goal (and that of many of his peers) for the long term was to divide the races (through diversity), take over the K-12 schools, and destroy the religious base of the United States. Almost fifty years later, as I look back, I tend to believe they almost succeeded.
What are they going to gain by destroying the USA? Money? Power?

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« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2019, 02:08:35 PM »
Diversity is being legislated and made into a political football for one single purpose -- to divide this country (as outlined by Saul Alinsky in his infamous guidebook for radicals). The more you can pigeon hole people into special interest groups under the guise of diversity, and appeal to their "special status" as a way to pit them against other special interest groups; the more power government demands as a way to arbitrate the disputes among the special interests.

Contrary to what the progressives and the educational establishment teaches; It isn't diversity that makes America great -- it's the things we all have in common as a people that make us great. Common sense values, the importance of the family unit as the fundamental core of our society, and most importantly the belief in American exceptionalism as it impacts all men regardless of race/creed/color.

Leftist Alinksy followers knew full well (even back in the mid-20th century) that in order to undermine our country, they would first have to denigrate/destroy our institutions (family, church, schools, and eventually government) -- Diversity was/is one of the weapons they chose to achieve these goals.

I had a very leftist Professor back in college in the 1970's -- more left than most back in the day, and he was a committed Alinskyite. He let it be known publicly in class that his goal (and that of many of his peers) for the long term was to divide the races (through diversity), take over the K-12 schools, and destroy the religious base of the United States. Almost fifty years later, as I look back, I tend to believe they almost succeeded.
What are they going to gain by destroying the USA? Money? Power?

That is a VERY good question. Read Alinsky -- he lays is out; a country based on true socialist principles, without religion (government will take the place of religion), or capitalist interference. If you follow along with the premise laid out by Alinsky -- Government will become the ultimate power broker and arbiter in all things that impact society. I tend to think of it as Orwell's 1984 on steroids --

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Re: Is diversity a good thing?
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2019, 02:12:52 PM »
Phil the Baptists can't get along with themselves, at least the southern Baptists.

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« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2019, 02:23:48 PM »
Phil the Baptists can't get along with themselves, at least the southern Baptists.

I am Southern Baptist and I get along with all of the others.  :)
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« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2019, 03:01:48 PM »
The sad part of the whole 'diversity" thing is how most younger folks have had the "diversity" thing drilled into them since kindergarten to the point that it is almost a religious thing with them. I asked my 17YO daughter to read Rays post explaining the whole thing and as I expected she became agitated and quite upset. As I knew before we were done talking she once again was busy labeling me a racist like she has done on a number of occasions in the past.

I am done being called a racist by a snot nosed kid, even if she is my kid. I responded to her name by dismissing her as the socialist snowflake that she is, which caused the wife to jump into the fray and defend our darling daughter.

I told the wife that she and the daughter could both get over it. I told the wife that if our daughter was going to call people racists then she better get used to being called unflattering names in return that was just the way the game is played and being my daughter gives her no free pass to call me a racist. In the end I told the wife and daughter they could both get over it and get used to it.

It is hell watching your kid turn into looney shrill lefty I tell you. The 17 YO is beyond hope at this point too, that girl is just cooked.  :(
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« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2019, 03:44:14 PM »
Don't give up Herb and don't let it get you down. Remember an old saying (though often falsely attributed to Winston Churchill) .....this quote was most likely first uttered by mid-nineteenth century historian and statesman François Guizot when he observed..........

......"Not to be a republican at 20 is proof of want of heart; to be one at 30 is proof of want of head".......

"Life" is the best teacher of all. When many young folks are carefree and without responsibility, socialist principles make very good sense. Then comes the responsibility of jobs, family, mortgages, taxes, and planning for retirement -- many, (not all) become much more conservative along the way. 

Case in point! I personally canvassed for George McGovern back in my youth, because I was absolutely sure Nixon was going to sink this country. By the time Jimmy Carter was in office I had a job, mortgage, and was planning for my future -- at that point old Ronnie Reagan's views were looking a lot more in line with my interests than old Jimmy or George's -- LOL
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Re: Is diversity a good thing?
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2019, 03:58:03 PM »
Herb my comment was not meant to be ugly, the church I'm a member in has split at least 3 times. One reason there are so many churches around here.

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« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2019, 03:59:56 PM »
Herb my comment was not meant to be ugly, the church I'm a member in has split at least 3 times. One reason there are so many churches around here.

I knew you did not have malicious intent. Honestly, I do know there is truth in the comment too!
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« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2019, 04:01:48 PM »
I must have always been old, or wise beyond my years. I have always been conservative, even when younger.
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« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2019, 04:11:22 PM »
Herb my comment was not meant to be ugly, the church I'm a member in has split at least 3 times. One reason there are so many churches around here.

A lot of that going on Fins -- Methodists, Anglicans, and Roman Catholics are all starting to question their Church doctrines. The splits will most likely continue unabated.

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« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2019, 04:49:29 PM »
Diversity is being legislated and made into a political football for one single purpose -- to divide this country (as outlined by Saul Alinsky in his infamous guidebook for radicals). The more you can pigeon hole people into special interest groups under the guise of diversity, and appeal to their "special status" as a way to pit them against other special interest groups; the more power government demands as a way to arbitrate the disputes among the special interests.

Contrary to what the progressives and the educational establishment teaches; It isn't diversity that makes America great -- it's the things we all have in common as a people that make us great. Common sense values, the importance of the family unit as the fundamental core of our society, and most importantly the belief in American exceptionalism as it impacts all men regardless of race/creed/color.

Leftist Alinksy followers knew full well (even back in the mid-20th century) that in order to undermine our country, they would first have to denigrate/destroy our institutions (family, church, schools, and eventually government) -- Diversity was/is one of the weapons they chose to achieve these goals.

I had a very leftist Professor back in college in the 1970's -- more left than most back in the day, and he was a committed Alinskyite. He let it be known publicly in class that his goal (and that of many of his peers) for the long term was to divide the races (through diversity), take over the K-12 schools, and destroy the religious base of the United States. Almost fifty years later, as I look back, I tend to believe they almost succeeded.
What are they going to gain by destroying the USA? Money? Power?

That is a VERY good question. Read Alinsky -- he lays is out; a country based on true socialist principles, without religion (government will take the place of religion), or capitalist interference. If you follow along with the premise laid out by Alinsky -- Government will become the ultimate power broker and arbiter in all things that impact society. I tend to think of it as Orwell's 1984 on steroids --
You have all these religions/sects splitting up as they can't get along yet somehow their are enough folks(folks in power) who believe in Alinsky( and keep on his vision without going in different directions) to overthrow the US govt as we know it?  I don't doubt followers of his are around but.......

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« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2019, 05:18:27 PM »
You have all these religions/sects splitting up as they can't get along yet somehow their are enough folks(folks in power) who believe in Alinsky( and keep on his vision without going in different directions) to overthrow the US govt as we know it?  I don't doubt followers of his are around but.......

They are coming out of the woodwork -- for example; look at the rise of the ANTIFA movement. Ten years ago it was a fringe movement in Europe; now it's a very established, well-funded, and organized domestic anti-American movement.

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« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2019, 05:48:16 PM »
Alynski was the 3rd string.  He swiped most of his ideas and made money doing it.

Check into a fellow named Edward Bernays.

I'll just not bother entering into the entire religion side I have no need of enemies I don't already have.

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« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2019, 06:26:12 PM »
So these disciples of saul are in it for? They doing it because they believe in the cause.? I dont buy that( I'm old and jaded) got to be trail of money somewhere?

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« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2019, 06:32:26 PM »
The sad part of the whole 'diversity" thing is how most younger folks have had the "diversity" thing drilled into them since kindergarten to the point that it is almost a religious thing with them. I asked my 17YO daughter to read Rays post explaining the whole thing and as I expected she became agitated and quite upset. As I knew before we were done talking she once again was busy labeling me a racist like she has done on a number of occasions in the past.

I am done being called a racist by a snot nosed kid, even if she is my kid. I responded to her name by dismissing her as the socialist snowflake that she is, which caused the wife to jump into the fray and defend our darling daughter.

I told the wife that she and the daughter could both get over it. I told the wife that if our daughter was going to call people racists then she better get used to being called unflattering names in return that was just the way the game is played and being my daughter gives her no free pass to call me a racist. In the end I told the wife and daughter they could both get over it and get used to it.

It is hell watching your kid turn into looney shrill lefty I tell you. The 17 YO is beyond hope at this point too, that girl is just cooked.  :(

Sorry to hear that, UB. That's gotta be rough.

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« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2019, 09:44:21 PM »
The sad part of the whole 'diversity" thing is how most younger folks have had the "diversity" thing drilled into them since kindergarten to the point that it is almost a religious thing with them. I asked my 17YO daughter to read Rays post explaining the whole thing and as I expected she became agitated and quite upset. As I knew before we were done talking she once again was busy labeling me a racist like she has done on a number of occasions in the past.

I am done being called a racist by a snot nosed kid, even if she is my kid. I responded to her name by dismissing her as the socialist snowflake that she is, which caused the wife to jump into the fray and defend our darling daughter.

I told the wife that she and the daughter could both get over it. I told the wife that if our daughter was going to call people racists then she better get used to being called unflattering names in return that was just the way the game is played and being my daughter gives her no free pass to call me a racist. In the end I told the wife and daughter they could both get over it and get used to it.

It is hell watching your kid turn into looney shrill lefty I tell you. The 17 YO is beyond hope at this point too, that girl is just cooked.  :(

See all the trouble you caused, Phil!  :))

Seriously, I can't imagine having to put up with your own kid mouthing off with that kind of sh/t.
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« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2019, 11:04:18 PM »
The modern "diversity" is just another appropriation of the Left to divide and weaken America. It's just like "liberal", "common sense gun control", "progressive", "comprehensive immigration reform", "reproductive rights", "living wage", "socialism", "climate change", "racist", etc. Words and phrases that sound so logical and unassailable yet are totally devoid of their real meaning.
The forces of globalism know they can't win in a stand-up, head-on, war of ideas. So, they will apply these (as I call them) wedge issues to drive us apart - we end up fighting each other and making ourselves easier to take over.

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« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2019, 11:15:33 PM »
Nothing wrong with diversity, but is not a requirement for anything in life .
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« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2019, 08:02:41 AM »
Don't feel bad UB. I'm going through the same thing with a 50 year old son. I'm a racist bastard because I watch Fox news. He believes everything on the other cable channels. Went back in Sept. for a visit and I wasn't there 15 minutes and he started on Trump. I told him I wasn't talking politics with him and that pissed him off even more. He kept trying to bait me but I just reminded him I didn't want to talk about it. The wife and I spent more time with friends than him. It turned into a long 2 weeks. I'll be honest, I have no idea what happened to him. I am very disappointed we can't get along anymore but as all left leaning people believe if it's not the way they think than your the enemy. I still love him and hopefully we can get over this bump in the road.

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« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2019, 10:55:40 AM »
Sorry about your son, 34ply.

I don't have any children but while working at the hardware store I had my fill of younger non-workers who were all propagandized. Was virtually impossible to talk to them - they just don't get it. One admitted he felt bad watching me work my butt off, but that wasn't enough to spur him to work harder. The rest didn't care.
I think things are going to get alot worse.

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« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2019, 12:06:35 PM »
Sorry about your son, 34ply.

I don't have any children but while working at the hardware store I had my fill of younger non-workers who were all propagandized. Was virtually impossible to talk to them - they just don't get it. One admitted he felt bad watching me work my butt off, but that wasn't enough to spur him to work harder. The rest didn't care.
I think things are going to get alot worse.

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« Reply #26 on: January 07, 2019, 10:20:01 AM »
Well didn't I get the pot stirred :))

And that was my intent.  I figured GF would chime in with some wise counsel an he didn't disappoint.   Shed some light on it for me. 

As to the religious denominations not getting along, I wanted to show an example of how more or less like minded people couldn't get along in the same building, how can we expect radically different religions to get along in geographic locations.  Heck, the Muslims kill each other if they don't believe quite the same dogma.  And it has been that way throughout history.  I just feel that history tells us we are better off living in groups of like minded people.   Not that you have to be hating on groups different then yours, just keep your distance. 

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« Reply #27 on: January 07, 2019, 10:31:04 AM »
......I just feel that history tells us we are better off living in groups of like minded people.   Not that you have to be hating on groups different then yours, just keep your distance. 

That's human nature -- look at our historical and present day demographics. America being a very diverse country; its people have always flocked to live and commune with others who share their common values and interests, as well as their religious and ethnic heritage. That aspect of human nature hasn't changed since the large immigrant influx of the industrial revolution and has lasted well into the present day.


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« Reply #28 on: January 07, 2019, 10:42:41 AM »
Diversity is just the new code word for affirmative action.

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« Reply #29 on: January 07, 2019, 10:56:57 AM »
The major capitals in Europe have tried to integrate middle eastern and African (mostly Muslim) immigrants for decades, without success. These people seem to flock together into very tight knit communities based on religious and ethnic traditions. They shun western culture and education and have developed their own religious/ethnic biospheres within these large cities. As a result many can't get living wage jobs and are effectively wards of the social welfare state. IIRC the term "no-go zone" was first coined in France because many of these enclaves are openly hostile to any outsider presence or influence. As a result, the political/cultural tensions are so frayed, that in some cases not even police and fire departments venture in these zones unless they have permission from the local religious leadership.


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« Reply #30 on: January 07, 2019, 01:08:18 PM »
Am I a racist? Darn tootin I am.
I have made up my mind many years ago. In dealing with all ethnic races of people, the best and the worst of the races do stand out!
It is my decision as to who I trust to be around, and those I do not associate with.
My profession led me into many situations and using our Federal data banks like NCIC were helpful in separating out the good and bad.
The way you yourself was raised, has a lot to do with it.



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« Reply #31 on: January 07, 2019, 06:31:10 PM »
The major capitals in Europe have tried to integrate middle eastern and African (mostly Muslim) immigrants for decades, without success. These people seem to flock together into very tight knit communities based on religious and ethnic traditions. They shun western culture and education and have developed their own religious/ethnic biospheres within these large cities. As a result many can't get living wage jobs and are effectively wards of the social welfare state. IIRC the term "no-go zone" was first coined in France because many of these enclaves are openly hostile to any outsider presence or influence. As a result, the political/cultural tensions are so frayed, that in some cases not even police and fire departments venture in these zones unless they have permission from the local religious leadership.

You see that's it right there. People not wanting to assimilate. Try that in any other country in the world, and see how far you get.

I just love the liberal excuse, "We're a nation of immigrants" or "We're all immigrants". Another code word. Yes we are all the products of immigration - unless you're native American Indian (but even then they are descended from Mongolians who came over the land bridge between Russia and Alaska, so, technically, they're "immigrants" too!) - you're descended from immigrants. But the vast majority were LEGAL immigrants, and they came through a barrier (i.e. Ellis Island or something), and - when they came - they left their mother country behind and became immersed in their adopted home - America. Lots of people were turned away because of disease, lack of documentation, no sponsor or established family, etc. But they assimilated.
Nowadays alot of immigration is illegal, in the back door, they don't assimilate, and they don't leave their home country behind. they come to get all the bennies of the USA and don't want to become an American. Sure I get congregating with like ethnicity - like NYC's Little Italy - but you have to assimilate. America becomes your home. You get all the advantages and privileges - and you assume all the responsibilities and abide by the laws. Most of these illegals don't want that. They want the benefits with none of the responsibilities. Sorry, it's all or nothing!
But the legal pathway is too slow and takes too long and.....TOUGH! It's our country, and we make the rules. If you don't like the rules don't come here! Or, do it legally, go to law school, and be a part of changing those rules.

The only reason they get by is because of big business wanting cheap labor (so they can get richer) and politicians wanting votes. And since politicians control the purse strings, they permit only a Swiss-cheese approach to border enforcement, and we have what we have. A physical wall - once built - would be (for the Southern Border) a true impediment. Perfect? No. Stop everybody? No. But it would be a big help.

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« Reply #32 on: January 13, 2019, 02:01:58 PM »
UB, How can agreeing with Ray's explanation be construed as racist?

The sad part of the whole 'diversity" thing is how most younger folks have had the "diversity" thing drilled into them since kindergarten to the point that it is almost a religious thing with them. I asked my 17YO daughter to read Rays post explaining the whole thing and as I expected she became agitated and quite upset. As I knew before we were done talking she once again was busy labeling me a racist like she has done on a number of occasions in the past.

I am done being called a racist by a snot nosed kid, even if she is my kid. I responded to her name by dismissing her as the socialist snowflake that she is, which caused the wife to jump into the fray and defend our darling daughter.

I told the wife that she and the daughter could both get over it. I told the wife that if our daughter was going to call people racists then she better get used to being called unflattering names in return that was just the way the game is played and being my daughter gives her no free pass to call me a racist. In the end I told the wife and daughter they could both get over it and get used to it.

It is hell watching your kid turn into looney shrill lefty I tell you. The 17 YO is beyond hope at this point too, that girl is just cooked.  :(

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« Reply #33 on: January 13, 2019, 05:25:16 PM »
UB, How can agreeing with Ray's explanation be construed as racist?

The sad part of the whole 'diversity" thing is how most younger folks have had the "diversity" thing drilled into them since kindergarten to the point that it is almost a religious thing with them. I asked my 17YO daughter to read Rays post explaining the whole thing and as I expected she became agitated and quite upset. As I knew before we were done talking she once again was busy labeling me a racist like she has done on a number of occasions in the past.

I cannot explain the stupidity of a teenager.

I am done being called a racist by a snot nosed kid, even if she is my kid. I responded to her name by dismissing her as the socialist snowflake that she is, which caused the wife to jump into the fray and defend our darling daughter.

I told the wife that she and the daughter could both get over it. I told the wife that if our daughter was going to call people racists then she better get used to being called unflattering names in return that was just the way the game is played and being my daughter gives her no free pass to call me a racist. In the end I told the wife and daughter they could both get over it and get used to it.

It is hell watching your kid turn into looney shrill lefty I tell you. The 17 YO is beyond hope at this point too, that girl is just cooked.  :(
You boys better hold on cause I'm gonna have to stand on it!

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Re: Is diversity a good thing?
« Reply #34 on: January 13, 2019, 06:42:10 PM »
There are well known benchmarks in the development of a human brain where concepts can be inserted for maximum profit.

NEA has published some very informative literature on the subject.  Present day parents of high school children are oblivious to what is being installed into their child's skull.  The program has been working for over 30 years, and is nearly impossible to overcome.

Fellow I know has been saying since the 70s NEA is anti American and dangerous.  Back around 95 he set up houskeeping with a lady who had a 15 year old son.  The boy offered to teach him how to run Mom's life early on in the deal.  Mom was shocked when she got home to find her boy washing windows and doing it properly.  She didn't understand the concept of a new Sheriff in town. 

A few months later the little darling was crying to mom how his self esteem was going in the dumper cause he wasn't being sufficiently complemented by the evil Sheriff.  Sheriff was told if he wasn't going to complement the lad he shouldn't talk to him..  Fine.  10 days later the little darling was complaining about hearing nothing.  Mom requested the Sheriff to complement the boy.  "Good job tieing your shoes" and "congratulations on walking all the way to the house" sent the little darling over the edge and right into mom's face.  Junior learned 140 pounds of mouth and waving hands in mom's face will get you on the floor staring into the tooth end of 120 pounds of German Shepard fast, and you will stay there till the dog is called off by the Sheriff.  Next time the kid mentioned self esteem to mom she breathed fire on him.  Problem solved.

There would be more episodes.  Junior eventually learned Sheriffs always win.  Mom joined Tough Love and came home to announce she didn't know why she went there, heard the same crap she heard from the Sheriff.  She went up the ranks to Assistant Head Toughie carried the pager and returned calls to frightened parents.  She memorized the doctrine, just didn't use it on her kid.

My humble opinion is teenage kids NEED to know somebody in a parental role says NO and means it.  It's a safety valve they can use when other idiots want them to jump into a group plan.  A kid can't stay clear on his own at that age, but can damn sure stay clear with No way, my old man will kill me.

If I had a 17 year old kid I was supporting spouting the crap Buck's kid is there would be a short informational meeting.  I'd clearly state the kid was not within the guidelines of my household, and therefore if the kid failed to correct and comply with my guidelines within 1 week said child would be desupported to include a complementary Uber to your teacher's house and trip to Court to remove you from the Family roster via Emancipation.  It'll cost you some money but the price is cheap in comparison to what is coming.