Time for the wall

[DeadNutz]

It is past the time we need the wall completed. The tragic outcome to missing Mollie T in Iowa is all the proof we need. Should of been full speed ahead after Kate was killed several years ago. I hold all the Dems opposing the wall and wanting illegal aliens here responsible along with every sanctuary city and state official who protect them.
Yes, I am pissed.

[skfarmer]

something needs to be done, very sad indeed.

[slip knot]

way past time. Very saddened to see the young lady was killed by an ILLEGAL. but maybe this will snap people back to reality. Those people aren't like us, They never will be.

Build the wall.

[bonneyman]

Keep your eye on the ball: Build the wall, and deport them all!

[Lookin4_67GalaxieConv]

Anyone that supports sanctuary cities doesn't give a damn about the safety of US citizens.

[Heiny57]

It was time, a long time ago. Best way to ruin a great country is to flood it with poor uneducated trash from  shithole countries.

[highland512]

They should have finished building it 8 years ago while we where already there working on it. I worked on a section of it in south Texas, it was a a real head scratcher.

The town was 5 miles wide, the section of wall we built was 7.5 miles wide. At night while traveling through the areas near the ends of the wall you had to watch the ditches for illegals not dear. I was a real culture shocker for a 22 year old white boy from Indiana.   

[bonneyman]

The wall could be built just fine if they wanted it built. If. The problem is they don't.

Too many groups want to keep things as they are. And they keep stone-walling and deflecting and side-tracking the process. Hell, look at Britain. Those people voted to leave the EU. Here it is several years later and they're still talking about how to leave, if they really will leave, we should have another vote on it. Leave means LEAVE! We're out! Done! Then we start negotiating on trade and travel.

Build the wall. The best design we can do, get it going, every mile you get built is one less mile the illegals can just waltz on over. And that will start impacting things immediately. Then you can start aggressively rounding up and deporting those who shouldn't be here...and they won't cross back over into the States the very next day!

[slip knot]

If we started actually enforcing our laws and started deporting them they would quit coming. We cater to them. Hell the biggest class in our school district is the ESL or English as second language.

[bonneyman]

If we started actually enforcing our laws and started deporting them they would quit coming. We cater to them. Hell the biggest class in our school district is the ESL or English as second language.

Oh, I agree. But there's no political will to go after those businesses.

[walrus]

No wall will ever be built, where will  businesses get their cheap labor? Just look at the young lady killed in Iowa, the piece of shit had stolen someones identity and passed the Natl identity check. The media will blame everything except that guy. We need immigration but we have borders for a reason(as do all other countries). Shit, the largest city in Maine has a question on the November ballot(or wants to anyway) allowing legal residents but not citizens the right to vote in local elections. Fuck that. They want to be citizens, all for it but you ain't voting for dog catcher until you are a US citizen

[highland512]

Tell us how you really feel. 

[DeadNutz]

Well said Walrus. I noticed that your polite word didn't get changed to no-noing. I guess the word filter is different now.

[bonneyman]

Tell us how you really feel. 

Nah, I can't do that. Facbook and Google are watching every move I make.

Of course if I were an illegal immigrant I'd be invisible! 

[goodfellow]

There is no arguing with the left on this issue anymore. The agenda is clear -- dilute the culture and change the demographics to a point where there no longer is anything that holds people together as a nation. Demonize religion, national identity, family values, and western culture -- basically all the beliefs that held this nation together for over two centuries, and replace them with secularism, socialism, identity politics driven by diversity, and open border politics in order to dilute and marginalize the concept of what it means to be an "American".

They go after the institutions that keep us together as a nation and that support our common values. Diversity is used as a way to divide the country by making everyone a "special interest" that the government and the globalists can then use to pit one group against the other in order to maintain power and set themselves up as the ultimate arbiter of our political and economic futures.

Orwell was right on target -- if there is no national identity for the masses then the deep state through their government puppets will have ultimate control. 

[highland512]

Tell us how you really feel. 

Nah, I can't do that. Facbook and Google are watching every move I make.

Of course if I were an illegal immigrant I'd be invisible! 

¡No soy invisible!   

[Uncle Buck]

Well said Walrus. I noticed that your polite word didn't get changed to no-noing. I guess the word filter is different now.

No more word filter now. My kids are all old enough that they no longer stand behind me a read this site over my shoulder like they did years ago. I almost wish they were still that age though sometimes.

[Uncle Buck]

There is no arguing with the left on this issue anymore. The agenda is clear -- dilute the culture and change the demographics to a point where there no longer is anything that holds people together as a nation. Demonize religion, national identity, family values, and western culture -- basically all the beliefs that held this nation together for over two centuries, and replace them with secularism, socialism, identity politics driven by diversity, and open border politics in order to dilute and marginalize the concept of what it means to be an "American".

They go after the institutions that keep us together as a nation and that support our common values. Diversity is used as a way to divide the country by making everyone a "special interest" that the government and the globalists can then use to pit one group against the other in order to maintain power and set themselves up as the ultimate arbiter of our political and economic futures.

Orwell was right on target -- if there is no national identity for the masses then the deep state through their government puppets will have ultimate control.

Summed up perfectly!

[DeadNutz]

There is no arguing with the left on this issue anymore. The agenda is clear -- dilute the culture and change the demographics to a point where there no longer is anything that holds people together as a nation. Demonize religion, national identity, family values, and western culture -- basically all the beliefs that held this nation together for over two centuries, and replace them with secularism, socialism, identity politics driven by diversity, and open border politics in order to dilute and marginalize the concept of what it means to be an "American".

They go after the institutions that keep us together as a nation and that support our common values. Diversity is used as a way to divide the country by making everyone a "special interest" that the government and the globalists can then use to pit one group against the other in order to maintain power and set themselves up as the ultimate arbiter of our political and economic futures.

Orwell was right on target -- if there is no national identity for the masses then the deep state through their government puppets will have ultimate control.

Summed up perfectly!

And the endless entitlements are what drive this also. Telling the masses that the right wants you to work hard for your rewards while the left will just give you everything you want.

[ron350]

It almost happened again.
 Attempted kidnapping by undocumented immigrant from Guatemala.

http://www.wsfa.com/story/38955699/jasper-pd-undocumented-immigrant-charged-in-attempted-kidnapping-at-park

[Heiny57]

There is no arguing with the left on this issue anymore. The agenda is clear -- dilute the culture and change the demographics to a point where there no longer is anything that holds people together as a nation. Demonize religion, national identity, family values, and western culture -- basically all the beliefs that held this nation together for over two centuries, and replace them with secularism, socialism, identity politics driven by diversity, and open border politics in order to dilute and marginalize the concept of what it means to be an "American".

They go after the institutions that keep us together as a nation and that support our common values. Diversity is used as a way to divide the country by making everyone a "special interest" that the government and the globalists can then use to pit one group against the other in order to maintain power and set themselves up as the ultimate arbiter of our political and economic futures.

Orwell was right on target -- if there is no national identity for the masses then the deep state through their government puppets will have ultimate control.

Well said and spot on. We will soon be another shithole country.

[slip knot]

South Texas already is a shithole. 

[bonneyman]

Just read an article where the #2 RINO in the House put forth a bill to fully fund the wall, and will submit it after the election. I'm holding my breath, but that is a good sign.

[jabberwoki]

Have you visited southern Cali recently? looks like a 3rd word country.

[DeadNutz]

Have you visited southern Cali recently? looks like a 3rd word country.

That is why we got the heck out of there. It is wonderful to live in a conservative county and Antifa types wouldn't last long here.

[DeadNutz]

We had four murders in the area in the last 10 days. Two women 56 and 76 shot to death in their homes south of us. A couple 81 and 80 killed in their home in South Reno. They caught the guy suspected of the murders and a big surprise, a 19yr old illegal alien from Mexico. And people say we don't need a wall.
On a side note, gun sales went up after the second murder. Good thing we don't have any waiting period on the purchases here.

[four.cycle]

"...Dems opposing the wall and wanting illegal aliens here..."

Please name one Democratic member of the US Congress or Senate who has vocalized support for entry into the US by illegal aliens.

Just one.

(citation requisite, of course.)

[four.cycle]

just ONE.

by name. with citation.

waiting.

[goodfellow]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/8/hillary-clinton-dreams-open-borders-leaked-speech-/

[Heiny57]

Voting against the wall is proof of that. Period.

[DeadNutz]

Asking for a citation as proof of something said or done is a favorite tactic of the left. I didn't hear anybody on the left clamoring for a citation on Buzzfeed's Cohen story. The media and pols just grabbed it and ran with it and then ended up with egg on their face.

[fatfillup]

"...Dems opposing the wall and wanting illegal aliens here..."

Please name one Democratic member of the US Congress or Senate who has vocalized support for entry into the US by illegal aliens.

Just one.

(citation requisite, of course.)

I think inaction on real immigration reform by either side in decades is proof enough that neither side wants to stop illegal immigration.  The Dems want it so that when the illegals are made legal by decree, the Dems ranks swell helping to keep them in power and the Repubs want the cheap labor to keep support from corporate usa.  Over simplified for sure but that certainly comes into play.

[gtermini]

A couple

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/927 Shillary 2013 calling for open borders

https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2018/6/feinstein-colleagues-introduce-legislation-to-halt-separation-of-immigrant-families Every sponsor and co-sponsor of this bill that makes no distinctions between those arrested for crossing the border illegally and those accused of serious criminal acts who are also parents.

[Heiny57]

just ONE.

by name. with citation.

waiting.

Citation??? Is that like Bonafide?

https://goo.gl/images/pg7ii7

[four.cycle]

The question was: "name one Democratic member of the US Congress or Senate who has vocalized support for entry into the US by illegal aliens."

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/8/hillary-clinton-dreams-open-borders-leaked-speech-/

In the context of the subject she is addressing, it could well be construed as something else entirely.
Moreover, Hillary Clinton is not a member of Congress or the Senate.
Irrelevant.
FAIL.

Voting against the wall is proof of that. Period

No, it isn't. Congressmen and Senators vote for or against bills for all sorts of reasons.
FAIL.

"Asking for a citation as proof of something said or done is a favorite tactic of the left"

False assumption of question being directed from "left".
Weak attempt at deflection (as opposed to directly responding to question.)
FAIL.

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/927 

Article concerning comments from Hillary Clinton, who is not a member of either the US Congress or Senate
Irrelevant.
FAIL

https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2018/6/feinstein-colleagues-introduce-legislation-to-halt-separation-of-immigrant-families

Article concerning US Senator Diane Feinstein regarding  separation of parents from children. Tangential to subject at hand and not relevant to question.
Non sequitur
Irrelevant.
FAIL.

https://goo.gl/images/pg7ii7

Irrelevant.
FAIL.


You guys let me know when you can actually come up with some facts.
In the meantime, you boys have fun here in your little echo chamber bouncing the bullshit back and forth amongst yourselves.

[Heiny57]

Denying the truth only makes you right in your mind. Have another drink of Kool Aid.

[goodfellow]

Denying the truth only makes you right in your mind. Have another drink of Kool Aid.

No use arguing with a bonafide member of "The Democrat Borg" Bob -- they are assimilated for life. 

[Lookin4_67GalaxieConv]

"...Dems opposing the wall and wanting illegal aliens here..."

Please name one Democratic member of the US Congress or Senate who has vocalized support for entry into the US by illegal aliens.

Just one.

(citation requisite, of course.)

Hey genius, none of them are going to say it.  Look at their actions. 

[Lookin4_67GalaxieConv]

You guys let me know when you can actually come up with some facts.
In the meantime, you boys have fun here in your little echo chamber bouncing the bullshit back and forth amongst yourselves.

It's good to have a brain dead liberal on here, it gets boring when the rest of us have the same common sense beliefs.   

[Matt_T]

False assumption of question being directed from "left".
.

Seems to be the standard response to anyone who challenges the groupthink around here.

[Lookin4_67GalaxieConv]

False assumption of question being directed from "left".
.

Seems to be the standard response to anyone who challenges the groupthink around here.

Feel free to challenge it, just do a better job.

[fatfillup]

False assumption of question being directed from "left".


Then please let us know where you are coming from.  No sense hiding your intent

[walrus]

Vote on Thursday.

[skfarmer]

Politics is here for all of you to "enjoy" whether you slant left, right or down the middle. That said, do not resort to name calling. That is just a poison that will spill out to the general board. That is my opinion  but i beleive the other mods will agree with  me.

[bonneyman]

Seems to be the standard response to anyone who challenges the groupthink around here.

You guys let me know when you can actually come up with some facts.
In the meantime, you boys have fun here in your little echo chamber bouncing the bullshit back and forth amongst yourselves.

Vote on Thursday.

OK, I haven't hurled anything at you guys, and you obviously disagree with what's being said here. So I'm asking - how do you feel?

Do you think the whole illegal immigration thing is a hoax? Or just overblown? Or maybe just a bargaining chip?
Is the wall itself a problem to you? Or the cost? Or that Trump is pushing it?
How do you guys feel?

[walrus]

If the largest amount of illegals are here because of lapsed green cards, how is the wall going to help that.?  The only way to solve the immigration problem is to enforce the laws as written and take the money out of it.  This country was built on immigrants, we need them but we don't need scumbags with nothing to offer our society.  Our politicians don't have what it takes to enforce the laws as written.

[Heiny57]

Green cards have nothing to do with it. The problem is that 99 percent of immigrants don’t want to assimilate. They want to make money and send it home to bring the rest of their family to the land of free shit and also bring their religions and laws with them. They have NO intentions of becoming citizens. The wall will slow down the really dumb ones and make it much more difficult to move dope in.

[Lookin4_67GalaxieConv]

If the largest amount of illegals are here because of lapsed green cards, how is the wall going to help that.?  The only way to solve the immigration problem is to enforce the laws as written and take the money out of it.  This country was built on immigrants, we need them but we don't need scumbags with nothing to offer our society.  Our politicians don't have what it takes to enforce the laws as written.

Immigrants, yes, but not illegal immigrants.

I agree that several things need to be done, but the wall is one of those things.  The wall is not the end all, be all, but it is important and should've been done years ago.

[fatfillup]

My take on immigration reform

Speed the process up, takes too long to get approval so folks just come and hope they don't get caught

Have a streamlined process for migrant workers.  We need them to do the jobs we don't want to do.  Then we need a way to keep track of them. 

Deport those who choose to break the rules after they are here legally

Limit what free crap they can get 

Scrap the law that if you are born here by immigrants, you are not automatically a citizen

Fine companies who hire illegals and make it hurt.  They will follow the rules if it is too costly not to

These are a few thoughts off the top of my head.  Not refined nor complete

[DeadNutz]

All good points there Phil. One of my biggest gripes is that the illegals don't have health screenings and are bringing in diseases we had under control such as measles and TB. I'm all for legal immigration and encourage it.

[Heiny57]

All immigration should be stopped to get ahold of the issues being discussed. As I have said none of them are assimilating. We had very little immigration from the 20s to the mid 60s, and then Ted Kennedy realized that immigrants voted Democratic and the gates went open. I have to work with these nasty thief’s and hear how we stole their land from the ones who speak English. I get tired of hearing how they are decent folks who just want to better themselves. Yeah, by stealing your stuff every chance they get. 9 out of 10 of them would slit your throat for $100. This observation comes from 30 years of dealing with them.

[slip knot]

I can assure y'all that Bob aint stretching the truth here. The past 30 yrs has seen an enormous growth in the illegal population around here. They are not here to make this country better. they are here to line their pockets at any cost.

[Heiny57]

All good points there Phil. One of my biggest gripes is that the illegals don't have health screenings and are bringing in diseases we had under control such as measles and TB. I'm all for legal immigration and encourage it.

A local high school here in Nashville just found a student with TB. Now 450 kids have to be immunized. They of course did not say who the kid was, but I would bet a pile of money he swam across a river to get here.

Correction, not immunized but tested.

[walrus]

no go on the vote.

[jabberwoki]

It was said before, if it were made so that sending cabbage out of the country was so expensive that it was not worth it, this alone would change a shit load.

I`d like to see an annual amount that was sent out of country never to return. I`d bet it would be a shocking amount.

[slip knot]

$26.1 billion


https://money.cnn.com/2018/01/02/news/economy/mexico-remittances/index.html

[jabberwoki]

Wow every year ill bet that number goes up.
That's America`s blood that won`t come back.

[Lookin4_67GalaxieConv]

$26.1 billion


https://money.cnn.com/2018/01/02/news/economy/mexico-remittances/index.html

I remember when a certain previous administration consistently claimed unemployment benefits were a big stimulus to the economy and where strongly opposed to cutting them back.  Never heard any such indignation regarding income being sent out of the country.

[walrus]

All it took was Air Traffic controllers to call out for Trump to and pelosi to cave in

[slip knot]

I have a sneaking suspicion that Trumps palying the game here. give in to get everyone back to the bargaining table and in 3 weeks when nothing has changed he will call a state of emergency.

he seems to out maneuver these dimwit politicians every time. its a game to him.

[bonneyman]

I have a sneaking suspicion that Trumps palying the game here. give in to get everyone back to the bargaining table and in 3 weeks when nothing has changed he will call a state of emergency.

he seems to out maneuver these dimwit politicians every time. its a game to him.

If he calls a state of emergency the Dems already have a dozen sleazy liberal judges lined up who will put a stay on it. Tie it up in court till Trump is out of office. Even if he gets a company to start building, the sanctuary states and towns will stonewall the construction. I feel that Trump caved and that's it. All because he wanted to see the Superbowl! 

Well, we'll see.

[DeadNutz]

Trump wanted to see the fed employees get their pay while the dems don't care how much they suffer. We'll see what happens in 3 weeks and take it from there.

[Lookin4_67GalaxieConv]

Trump should've been patient.  Democrats would've come around soon, the pressure would've gotten unbearable on them.  People are already convinced Trump is crazy so they would've screamed for Dems to give in and give him his (our) wall.  Instead he gave up too much leverage.  I think he screwed the pooch.

[walrus]

I have a sneaking suspicion that Trumps palying the game here. give in to get everyone back to the bargaining table and in 3 weeks when nothing has changed he will call a state of emergency.

he seems to out maneuver these dimwit politicians every time. its a game to him.

He calls a state of emergency and whats going to stop a Dem president from doing the same thing on whatever they want to call a state of emergency?

[Heiny57]

I have a sneaking suspicion that Trumps palying the game here. give in to get everyone back to the bargaining table and in 3 weeks when nothing has changed he will call a state of emergency.

he seems to out maneuver these dimwit politicians every time. its a game to him.

He calls a state of emergency and whats going to stop a Dem president from doing the same thing on whatever they want to call a state of emergency?

Nothing.  But what might it be?   

We need to tear down the wall because we need more drugs on the streets?
We need to let more wetbacks in to rob and kill our citizens?
We need higher taxes because to many people are working?

[bonneyman]

I have a sneaking suspicion that Trumps palying the game here. give in to get everyone back to the bargaining table and in 3 weeks when nothing has changed he will call a state of emergency.

he seems to out maneuver these dimwit politicians every time. its a game to him.

He calls a state of emergency and whats going to stop a Dem president from doing the same thing on whatever they want to call a state of emergency?

That's true, and one of the things that concerns me when Trump talks about it. But:
a) Lots of presidents have declared states of emergency in the past 50 years, and I heard that 31 of them are still in effect. From my limited knowledge of the SoE's they tend to be permanent. At least with one on a border wall that would be a good thing IMO to be permanent.
b) The argument that if you do it the Dems will do it doesn't was. Speaker Frisk considered the nuclear option in 2006, with Minority Leader harry Reid decrying it as undemocratic and unfair to the minority party. Then Reid turned right around and employed the nuclear option in 2013 when they were in charge(and still has no regrets, even on his deathbed). When the RINO's pulled it last year for the Scotus nominations the Dems again screamed foul. So, no matter what Trump does or doesn't do, the liberals hacks will do WHATEVER they want to get their agenda.

[slip knot]

I have a sneaking suspicion that Trumps palying the game here. give in to get everyone back to the bargaining table and in 3 weeks when nothing has changed he will call a state of emergency.

he seems to out maneuver these dimwit politicians every time. its a game to him.

He calls a state of emergency and whats going to stop a Dem president from doing the same thing on whatever they want to call a state of emergency?

Nothing, didn't Obama set the precedent of "I got a pen". I'm thinking Trumps gonna do the same thing. He's got the ACOE and the navy Seabees and they got a budget, just reassign them to the wall. As I said he seems to regularly have the dems out maneuvered. I don't really care what he does as long as he builds the wall.

[Lookin4_67GalaxieConv]

I have a sneaking suspicion that Trumps palying the game here. give in to get everyone back to the bargaining table and in 3 weeks when nothing has changed he will call a state of emergency.

he seems to out maneuver these dimwit politicians every time. its a game to him.

He calls a state of emergency and whats going to stop a Dem president from doing the same thing on whatever they want to call a state of emergency?

Nothing, didn't Obama set the precedent of "I got a pen".

"...and a phone!" 

[walrus]

I have a sneaking suspicion that Trumps palying the game here. give in to get everyone back to the bargaining table and in 3 weeks when nothing has changed he will call a state of emergency.

he seems to out maneuver these dimwit politicians every time. its a game to him.

He calls a state of emergency and whats going to stop a Dem president from doing the same thing on whatever they want to call a state of emergency?

Nothing, didn't Obama set the precedent of "I got a pen". I'm thinking Trumps gonna do the same thing. He's got the ACOE and the navy Seabees and they got a budget, just reassign them to the wall. As I said he seems to regularly have the dems out maneuvered. I don't really care what he does as long as he builds the wall.

An executive order and state of emergency are pretty different .  I suppose they both go around congress. I don't see where Trump has out maneuvered the Dems since they regained majority in house. No doubt Trump blinked once Air Traffic control got sick of being forced to work without pay. We will see in a few weeks.

[pep]

Smart move for President Trump, getting the fed employee the back to work . So they can get some cash and maybe if the ass hats move fast enough get the back pay. Easing their financial situation they have been forced into. And who's fault is that, ..... NOT his ....

This window is only open for a couple of weeks, then door in locked once more.  This is tuff love being exacerbated by children wanting to have their own way ,,, and the country and its citizens be damn.

After all they have  walls around the homes and a BF pile of your $$$$, all's good for them ........ what about yOU?

Folks I know are not complaining and do not see the move as a cave, only the clowns doing the happy dance, think they have won something

President Trump wants to win the war, and I stand with him for that.

Now back to the window clean up and upgrade on the 34
Pep