Post by: Lookin4_67GalaxieConv on April 28, 2021, 08:02:41 AM
I haven't yet, myself. Still gathering information and want to know what short term effects there may be. I know a lot of frontline healthcare workers didn't get the vaccine in the beginning and am wondering if that's changed?
Post by: fatfillup on April 28, 2021, 08:45:12 AM
Post by: DeadNutz on April 28, 2021, 08:49:17 AM
After the first shot I could feel where I got it for about a day and then that went away. After the 2nd shot it was about the same and so far I have shown no other side effects even though I am truly compromised health wise right now. Will I regret getting it? Who knows but I am going forward with life and working on getting back to 100%.
Post by: skfarmer on April 28, 2021, 09:48:24 AM
i don't take much stock in anyone who tries to tell you how most people react. i have talked to at least 100 people in depth about their reaction and have heard it all. some feel bad right away, some the next morning and some 24 -36 hours later. some never at all. some run a low grade fever for a few hours, some for a day or 2 and some not at all. some have no effect on the first shot, some on both, some no effect on the second and some no effect at all.
my wife, my mother, my oldest and youngest son and i have all had moderna and every one of us reacted different.
my wife (55)ran a low grade fever and felt sick for about 6 hours the day after both.
my mom (91) went home and slept for about 24 hours after each one but never was sick.
my son (26) felt crappy for for about 36 hours on both.
my son (21) felt run down but has only had his first shot so far.
i (55) was tired and slept all day, 2 days after each one.
my mom was not known to have covid but the rest of us did. my oldest son was quite sick for about 5 days. my wife showed very few symptoms. mostly sore throat and sinus pressure. my youngest son and i have antibodies but don't know exactly when we had it.
what am i trying to say? everyone and i mean everyone reacts different. for me the deciding factor is this. i know people who died from covid. i know people who were very ill from covid. i know people who still have not fully recovered from covid and more than likely never will. i bet most of us do. i don't know of anyone who has had serious, long lasting side effect from the any of the vaccines.
is it 100% safe or effective? nope, but what is? life is full of choices and chances and at the end of the day you have to make choices and take chances or you don't have much of life.
only you can decide what is best for you but i am happy with choices we have made.
Post by: bonneyman on April 28, 2021, 09:51:45 AM
My primary sent a letter out saying it was safe, and he and his whole family had gotten it. This from the guy who complains about my triglycerides, and - after I drop them 78% with diet alone - all he can say is "they're still too high". I'm seriously considering dumping the doctor.
Ads on TV and radio are constantly pushing everyone to get vaccinated. Hollywood celebs and the most political figures are always pushing it. Just like other fake or garbage items - if they are so good why would you need to push them?
I've read about the science behind the "vaccine" and though I am no expert too much sounds rushed and fishy. I know people have died from the flu vaccine but geez too many people have gotten really bad effects or died from this shot. I'm not taking the risk.
Post by: skfarmer on April 28, 2021, 09:52:42 AM
Post by: ken w. on April 28, 2021, 10:16:55 AM
Post by: oldnslo on April 28, 2021, 10:20:47 AM
Mine was Phizer. No issues with either shot. Temporary injection site soreness in the arm that was very tolerable with the first shot, and not really worth mentioning. I was still able to lift and consume frosty adult beverages with that arm.
I didnt cry with either shot, they were most impressed by that display of braveness. :o Simply put, I didn't feel either one.
Post by: highland512 on April 28, 2021, 02:49:47 PM
Dad who is 65 got both shots (dont know which one) and was sick in bed for 3 days afeter each one. He also had confirmed case of the coof via a blood test.
My 87 year old grandmother had both shots with 0 side affects. She is convinced they give her sugar water instead of the shot.
Post by: walrus on April 28, 2021, 04:33:48 PM
Wife , both shots Moderna, first no problem, second got a fever for about 12 hours, she was freezing cold and then it went away just like that.
Post by: slip knot on April 28, 2021, 05:37:09 PM
I'm not one of those antivaxxer nutjobs. I can see the benefits of getting vacinated for the polios and such but I want a little more time on this one before I consent to it. Just the fact that some people have issues kinda alarms me a bit. Although I do think the reason J&Js was pulled for a time was that the right palms weren't being greased by J&J.
I honestly believe that this virus was over hyped for political reasons. I remember the first videos coming out of China showed people falling out on the streets. We never had that here. it took days of lingering illness before it got that bad. Now that the protocals have been improved the survival rate has increased dramatically. My allergy Dr. and I were having a discussion about this, he was so happy that the masks mandates had kept the flu rate down but was concerned about the escalation of covid cases. I asked him to look up the hospitalization rate for those covid cases, @0% in our hospital. So yeah cases may be spiking but deaths aren't. From what I'm seeing now most folks dont even know they have it till they get tested.
Post by: skfarmer on April 28, 2021, 06:31:58 PM
pretty sure my son got it at work. he is a paramedic in fargo for the largest ambulance service in the state. he was doing 5-7 covid related calls a day. many he knew wouldn't make it. he saw too many seemingly healthy people have it bad. his advice to me was get whatever shot you can as soon as you can. i wasn't in that big of a hurry until i went on a sketchy call of my own as an emr. scared the crap out of me and decided short order i was going to get my shots.
Post by: jabberwoki on April 28, 2021, 07:03:06 PM
Post by: muddy on April 28, 2021, 08:25:12 PM
I haven't really researched it, but can anyone tell me why it takes 2 doses?
Sent from the twisted mind of the mudman
Post by: stokester on April 28, 2021, 08:36:39 PM
My wife has received both hers (Moderna) with flu-like symptoms the day after both shots.
I received so many shots during my military time I'm probably already immune!
Post by: walrus on April 29, 2021, 04:03:20 AM
I remember the first videos coming out of China showed people falling out on the streets. We never had that here.Do what you got to do but look at India
Post by: Heiny57 on April 29, 2021, 05:45:33 AM
Post by: fatfillup on April 29, 2021, 08:56:47 AM
My taxes are paying for this so I’m getting as many as I can. Maybe a dozen or so!! :93:
Best line today :clap:
Post by: Lookin4_67GalaxieConv on April 29, 2021, 09:47:31 AM
Post by: DeadNutz on April 29, 2021, 10:03:02 AM
Have any of you heard talk about this shot being recommended every year like the flu shot?
I've heard people saying that. The different government agencies evidently don't coordinate very well as they all say different crap all the time. I got the vaccine and had no side effects so I'm ignoring the BS going around. The only precaution I took was no Advil, ibuprofen, for a week before and the week after and took Tylenol instead. Did it make a difference? Did the Vitamin D3, fish oil, Vitamin C and zinc I take make the difference? I don't have a clue but no side effects.
Post by: PowderKeg on April 29, 2021, 11:39:11 AM
...The different government agencies evidently don't coordinate very well as they all say different crap all the time. I got the vaccine and had no side effects so I'm ignoring the BS going around....
It's not that they don't coordinate, it's that they're full of inept, unaccountable, rabid lab monkeys spinning in circles throwing shit at the walls to see what the gullible masses will swallow and keep their 5 minutes of fame and glory going indefinitely. This has been grotesquely political from the outset, and now that Fascist Democrats are in power and installing their loyal brownshirts in those agencies they won't let it go.
As far as the vax, I have no intention of getting it, but that could always change down the road aways at my whim and pleasure. I will not bow to baseless fear and hysteria meant only to control me, not protect me or others. I don't race to the bathtub and hunker in abject fear for hours the moment a tornado watch is called in the area. I could walk out the door this evening to drive over for a pizza and get creamed by a drunk driver or texting idiot - dead is dead and we're all gonna be worm food someday - I'm going to enjoy the time as best able with whatever reasonable precautions I deem worthwhile, not what some despicable lying partisan lab rat like Fascist Fauci and his Death's Head Division co-conspirators spew in an attempt to destroy what was once the greatest and most freedom loving (and defending) country the world has ever seen.
Post by: Heiny57 on April 29, 2021, 12:58:06 PM
Post by: garagefanatic on April 29, 2021, 04:14:02 PM
Post by: Lookin4_67GalaxieConv on April 29, 2021, 04:50:01 PM
Both of my sisters act like it's a no-brainer to get the shot, which annoys me. As long as I feel there's more pros than cons to get it, then I will.
Post by: slip knot on April 29, 2021, 05:56:22 PM
I remember the first videos coming out of China showed people falling out on the streets. We never had that here.Do what you got to do but look at India
Thankfully our medical system is quite a bit better than India... For now. :lol_hitting:
Post by: Heiny57 on April 29, 2021, 06:16:48 PM
Post by: skfarmer on April 29, 2021, 09:29:38 PM
I get flu shots because they are free and I don’t like getting sick. (Actually Publix supermarket gives me a $10 gift card to get shot :D) I don’t fear injections at all, I am sure I have had worse things in my body. I self medicated in the 70s. O0
ha! funny stuff and much my same opinion. i took the shots because i want to prevent myself from getting sick/sicker that i was. i don't fear injections and have probably done more damage to my body with other stuff than the vaccine ever will.
funny, i know some people who have used some pretty fucked up shit on their lifetime and some of them still do with no hesitation. for many of us, our lifestyles and issues of overweight, diabetes, stress, heart disease, alcohol use etc. are doing far more damage that the vaccine but no way in hell are they going to get a vaccine. :))
Post by: john k on April 29, 2021, 10:22:57 PM
Post by: walrus on April 30, 2021, 03:51:16 PM
Are you sure about that? Half the Drs in the US are from there :sign0065:I remember the first videos coming out of China showed people falling out on the streets. We never had that here.Do what you got to do but look at India
Thankfully our medical system is quite a bit better than India... For now. :lol_hitting:
Post by: slip knot on April 30, 2021, 05:34:15 PM
Are you sure about that? Half the Drs in the US are from there :sign0065:I remember the first videos coming out of China showed people falling out on the streets. We never had that here.Do what you got to do but look at India
Thankfully our medical system is quite a bit better than India... For now. :lol_hitting:
See. They dont even have any Doctors left over there. :))
Post by: geneg on April 30, 2021, 06:24:35 PM
Post by: ken w. on April 30, 2021, 08:32:04 PM
Post by: pep on April 30, 2021, 09:05:02 PM
Post by: walrus on May 01, 2021, 05:09:28 AM
Are you sure about that? Half the Drs in the US are from there :sign0065:I remember the first videos coming out of China showed people falling out on the streets. We never had that here.Do what you got to do but look at India
Thankfully our medical system is quite a bit better than India... For now. :lol_hitting:
See. They dont even have any Doctors left over there. :))
They have more college graduates in India than anywhere else in the world. Thats why alot of help desk stuff gets shuffled over there. That and they work for nothing. :) The weird part of their Covid struggles is first wave was nothing, second wave is brutal. Did they let guard down or mutations? I think they thought they were immune after the first wave it was so easy. With the population density you would think they would get crushed.
Post by: Heiny57 on May 08, 2021, 07:30:01 AM
Post by: skfarmer on May 08, 2021, 08:22:49 AM
J and J jab yesterday and I’m still alive. I just have to say if you guys are in your fifties or sixties you have been mass vaccinated with the rest of us. Obviously we lived through them and it eradicated many deadly illnesses. The problem with this virus is it was politicized from the start. I suggest anyone that hasn’t got it yet reconsider getting it.worth quoting. I can't agree more. I think fauci is dipshit and I think both parties have done stupid things in the order of politics regarding it but in the end it is about getting past this and minimizing future outbreaks. Most of us have hundreds of immunizations throughout our lives. This just one more.
Post by: bonneyman on May 08, 2021, 12:30:32 PM
What I'm hearing and reading about long term effects is concerning.
Post by: skfarmer on May 08, 2021, 01:10:05 PM
Post by: hickory n Steel on May 09, 2021, 09:44:27 PM
Post by: walrus on May 10, 2021, 04:54:53 AM
I'm not gonna get it, I can get a $75 bonus at work for getting it but if they have to pay people to get a free shot what does that tell you about it.Tells me a lot about the employees
Post by: pep on May 10, 2021, 06:59:52 AM
I'm not gonna get it, I can get a $75 bonus at work for getting it but if they have to pay people to get a free shot what does that tell you about it.Tells me a lot about the employees
Yes it does, shows how easily a sucker is to bribe . Good for Hickory, has the confidence and intellect to make decision for himself.
Post by: daves_not_here on June 04, 2021, 09:56:37 PM
Have y'all SEEN or HEARD their commercials pushing this shit???
Y'all can do what you like, but THIS kid ain't going along with 'their' program.
Post by: pep on June 05, 2021, 07:04:30 AM
NOT me, not EVER. I don't trust the goobermint - ESPECIALLY when they wanna FORCE me to take one of their vaxxcines.
Have y'all SEEN or HEARD their commercials pushing this shit???
Y'all can do what you like, but THIS kid ain't going along with 'their' program.
Post by: jabberwoki on June 05, 2021, 01:18:21 PM
What a mistake that would be.
Post by: slip knot on June 05, 2021, 03:21:11 PM
I've always wanted to do the Alcan hwy drive and maybe next year is the year. If the price of gas isn't too bad and the Canadian border is open. I told the wife I wanted to get a slide in camper for the superduty and go, She wasn't too keen on the idea. I told her I wasn't sure if she was going to get an invite anyway. :lol_hitting:
Post by: Snaparxon! on June 05, 2021, 06:33:19 PM
Post by: muddy on June 05, 2021, 09:16:42 PM
But I also know the power of vaccines and that they do keep you healthy/save lives.
My biggest concern is the stories of heart issues after the shots. As someone with tachycardia, and a family history of heart issues I'm scared of side affects that may never even happen.
Like Mandy said we are a generation that when we popped out of the womb we were vacced for alot of things. Thanks to that we are none the wiser to serious viruses and illnesses that would take lives years ago.
Sent from the twisted mind of the mudman
Post by: fatfillup on June 06, 2021, 12:37:18 PM
Question to those who choose not to get vaccinated,
If the vaccine proves effective and safe over time, and covid is still an issue a year or down the road for the unvaccinated, will you get the shot?
Post by: GNAP on June 06, 2021, 01:08:13 PM
Over the last 2 months, my wife has had a stomach operation, with 2 further hospital stays (4 days and 10 days), on her last doctor follow up, it appears her cancer from 2-3 yrs ago has returned with a vengeance, it has gone from female related cancer, to effecting her liver, lungs and spine. The doctor advised me in her current condition, COVID could be devastating, and advised that for Her well being, a vaccine, would a very positive move on my part. So I threw caution to the wind, went to Costco’s pharmacy and got the J&J shot. My left arm and shoulder is still sore.
Post by: Lookin4_67GalaxieConv on June 06, 2021, 01:37:58 PM
Mandy asked me today what my opinion in getting the shots. I see both sides of the fence. I'm not a conspiracy nut but something that the government (or anyone ) tells me I SHOULD do, over and over again the more I become leary of it and less likely to do it.
But I also know the power of vaccines and that they do keep you healthy/save lives.
My biggest concern is the stories of heart issues after the shots. As someone with tachycardia, and a family history of heart issues I'm scared of side affects that may never even happen.
Like Mandy said we are a generation that when we popped out of the womb we were vacced for alot of things. Thanks to that we are none the wiser to serious viruses and illnesses that would take lives years ago.
I feel exactly the same way. I have been everywhere since this thing started fifteen months ago, meaning I've been out and traveling everyday, numerous stores, restaurants, etc. Seems like if I was going to get it, I would've gotten it by now, or maybe I have and didn't know it.
Biden especially, and the rest of these politicians constantly lie. So the more I hear them telling us to get vaccinated, the less I want to. I'm not anti-vaccine or anything like that, but when I hear what some people experience from the vaccine, that concerns me. I have heart issues too, and that's concerning. Overall, I'm still on the fence.
Got my Johnson and Johnson shot Thursday
Question to those who choose not to get vaccinated,
If the vaccine proves effective and safe over time, and covid is still an issue a year or down the road for the unvaccinated, will you get the shot?
If I knew there would be absolutely no side effects, I wouldn't hesitate.
Why the J & J shot? That's the one I'd pass on for sure.
Post by: fatfillup on June 06, 2021, 06:24:52 PM
One and done
Believe that the j&j is more like a more traditional vaccine than the other 2
Didn't want the side effects on the 2nd shot.
Heard good and bad about all of them
Post by: DeadNutz on June 06, 2021, 11:48:35 PM
I got vaccinated because the specialist I'm seeing told me if I got Covid that I would be dead end of story. I got the first shot 3 months ago and the 2nd shot 2 months ago of Moderna and as far as I can tell I have had zero side effects other than a slightly sore spot where I got the shot for 1 day after each one.
It is totally a personal choice on whether to get it or not and I don't fault anybody for their decision.
Post by: daves_not_here on June 07, 2021, 02:20:04 AM
Call me paranoid, :)) (and feel free to) but who's to say that the "elites" aren't getting certain ingredients in one jab, and we the peons are getting something else? :017:
Post by: fatfillup on June 08, 2021, 07:38:34 AM
I will say one more thing, just cuz I CAN.
Call me paranoid, :)) (and feel free to) but who's to say that the "elites" aren't getting certain ingredients in one jab, and we the peons are getting something else? :017:
I have a real problem with big conspiracies. Everyone in the know has to keep their mouth's shut and that ain't likely because someone always feels they are getting screwed, or get a conscience and would spill the beans. Just not likely.
Covid is a world wide problem with governments of all flavors inoculating their people. Just don't see how that could work in if the threat isn't real.
don't get me wrong, this pandemic has been politicized for sure, the Dems are great at that, but with the numbers dropping post vaccine as quick as they are, its hard to believe the vaccine isn't working.
Now, may there be long term side effects? TIme will tell
Post by: Lookin4_67GalaxieConv on June 08, 2021, 10:02:18 AM
I will say one more thing, just cuz I CAN.
Call me paranoid, :)) (and feel free to) but who's to say that the "elites" aren't getting certain ingredients in one jab, and we the peons are getting something else? :017:
I have a real problem with big conspiracies. Everyone in the know has to keep their mouth's shut and that ain't likely because someone always feels they are getting screwed, or get a conscience and would spill the beans. Just not likely.
Covid is a world wide problem with governments of all flavors inoculating their people. Just don't see how that could work in if the threat isn't real.
don't get me wrong, this pandemic has been politicized for sure, the Dems are great at that, but with the numbers dropping post vaccine as quick as they are, its hard to believe the vaccine isn't working.
Now, may there be long term side effects? TIme will tell
Phil, I don't think anyone is arguing the vaccine isn't effective. The question is, what else are you getting with it?
As for conspiracies, I wouldn't necessarily use that word. Look at how the media ridiculed Trump and his administration whenever anyone countered the "Covid came from a wet market" theory by suggesting it was engineered in the Wuhan lab. I always thought this thing was engineered and fairly solid proof of that was emailed to Fauci in January 2020 when the doctor who corresponded with him mentioned the genome sequencing of Covid was almost impossible to have developed naturally. Fauci sat on that information and kept going along with the wet market theory.
The best part is how the media tried to cover themselves for not exploring the virus being engineered by blaming Trump..."oh yeah, because his administration lied about everything how could we take anything they said seriously?"
Post by: bonneyman on June 08, 2021, 11:57:10 AM
Conspiracy theories? They'll always be those. The fact that all social media and lamestream media quickly squelches any discussion of Covid conspiracy's is the best evidence that there is something there. Freedom of speech is a foundation of our way of life...unless the elites determine it isn't. If mainstream shouts it from the rooftops chances are good it's a lie. Everything they beat down or ban is probably true or mostly true. Climate change, 2020 election fraud, january 6th "insurrection", the vaccine, inflation - once you have your BS meter on-line you can tell the truth based on what these lib idiots say.
Post by: coolmercury on June 08, 2021, 03:12:23 PM
Post by: ron350 on June 08, 2021, 06:20:55 PM
Post by: DeadNutz on June 08, 2021, 07:41:55 PM
Had my second Pfizer shot in April and the only side effect has been the urge to buy Bonney wrenches.
I have the NOS treatment for that but it is impossible to cure.
Post by: slip knot on June 08, 2021, 09:17:46 PM
Post by: GNAP on June 09, 2021, 07:58:58 AM
I had to go to the local Health Dept today for a tetanus booster, been 10 yrs since the last one. Two TVs running a continual "take the vaccine" and "the vaccine is safe" After 20 minutes I was almost convinced.
Brainwashing!! Almost like what I was told when I first entered the boiler service business, if you say “I love my job, my job love me”, 30 times a day of 30-35 yrs, eventually you might believe it......
Post by: bonneyman on June 09, 2021, 10:31:27 AM
Had my second Pfizer shot in April and the only side effect has been the urge to buy Bonney wrenches.
Shoot, haven't heard of that side effect! :))
Post by: Crispycritter on June 09, 2021, 08:36:44 PM
Post by: muddy on June 09, 2021, 08:53:56 PM
You have that condition already, you would have never noticed the side effect :))Had my second Pfizer shot in April and the only side effect has been the urge to buy Bonney wrenches.
Shoot, haven't heard of that side effect! :))
Sent from the twisted mind of the mudman
Post by: pep on June 10, 2021, 06:39:08 PM
Hope that joke is not to far over some heads...
I had to go to the local Health Dept today for a tetanus booster, been 10 yrs since the last one. Two TVs running a continual "take the vaccine" and "the vaccine is safe" After 20 minutes I was almost convinced.
Post by: hickory n Steel on June 10, 2021, 09:17:38 PM
I could say theres some special reason why, but honestly I just don't feel like it.
Post by: bonneyman on June 10, 2021, 10:11:03 PM
Just read about 100's of people having heart inflammation following the Covid vaccine shot. Betcha won't hear that on the evening news.
Post by: slip knot on June 10, 2021, 10:39:01 PM
Post by: DeadNutz on June 10, 2021, 10:54:39 PM
Post by: hickory n Steel on June 11, 2021, 10:24:54 AM
I have never believed any of the Covid numbers. The PCR test can be up to 96% wrong depending on how many cycles it runs to try and detect a fragment of the virus. The Nobel Prize winner who developed the PCR said it should not be used to detect a virus. The majority of Covid cases were not doctor verified so who knows what the true number is. There is no doubt that the virus is deadly to certain people.And is it not true you can test positive without having enough of the virus in you to get sick or spread it ?
I would not be surprised if one would test positive based on the amount they received from the vaccine.
Post by: jabberwoki on June 11, 2021, 06:25:17 PM
What kind of bullshit is that.
Post by: fatfillup on June 11, 2021, 08:12:48 PM
Post by: slip knot on June 11, 2021, 08:52:39 PM
My comment back was that every case of respiratory distress this year was automatically wuhan. :lol_hitting:
Post by: walrus on June 12, 2021, 05:16:36 AM
I'll stir the pot, is it just possible that they are pushing the vaccine because it is working so well at getting the numbers down and its the easiest and fastest way to stop covid from spreading?Couldn't be true. You need some fresh tin foil
Post by: skfarmer on June 12, 2021, 09:29:26 AM
I'll stir the pot, is it just possible that they are pushing the vaccine because it is working so well at getting the numbers down and its the easiest and fastest way to stop covid from spreading?
I am with you Phil. I just really don't get all of the fuss. It obviously works. Maybe not 100 percent , nothing does but it works pretty well.
I hated wearing a mask but I did because it was the right thing to do. I got the vaccine as well. Not because I wanted to but because somebody had to and again if the vaccine worked, which it does then it too was the right thing to do.
I think alt the stupid stuff is stupid stuff but at the end of the all the little stuff helped us get over the hump.
Post by: jabberwoki on June 12, 2021, 10:15:38 AM
How many petiole die pr year from the regular strains?
I`ve never in my life gotten a flu shot and don`t intend on starting now.
Post by: skfarmer on June 12, 2021, 10:24:48 AM
Yeah but who`s counting the numbers? At this point i really don`t believe anything the gov says . I`m staying with my own conclusions , i`ve known 5 people that had the cov . All came through saying it was just a heavy flu.
How many petiole die pr year from the regular strains?
I`ve never in my life gotten a flu shot and don`t intend on starting now.
Do I believe all the numbers? No. Do I believe the members are skewed? Yes. It is indisputable that the cases of covid
were much larger than a heavy flu year. Refrigerated trailers and record deaths/burials alone are proof of that.
Post by: slip knot on June 12, 2021, 12:30:54 PM
During this whole wuhan fiasco I had 6 people that I knew, well enough to attend their funerals, pass away. Of those 6, one died of the wuhan. A high school buddies mom. She was one of the first cases in the county. A Dr. brought it in to the nursing home she was in and it took her fairly quickly. All the rest died from something other than the wuhan.
Most of my friends are well past middle aged and live a somewhat reckless lifestyle. overweight, smoke, drink, High cholesterol, blood pressure , diabetes and all that goes with it. Basically prime candidates for the wuhan. Very few of them got it and they all survived.
Looking at what I see with my own eyes, I'm not too concerned with the wuhan. I'm more concerned with our government and MSM mis-information campaigns.
Post by: pep on June 15, 2021, 08:41:45 PM
Yeah but who`s counting the numbers? At this point i really don`t believe anything the gov says . I`m staying with my own conclusions , i`ve known 5 people that had the cov . All came through saying it was just a heavy flu.
How many petiole die pr year from the regular strains?
I`ve never in my life gotten a flu shot and don`t intend on starting now.
Do I believe all the numbers? No. Do I believe the members are skewed? Yes. It is indisputable that the cases of covid
were much larger than a heavy flu year. Refrigerated trailers and record deaths/burials alone are proof of that.
Not heard that one, the only time I knew and saw that was in Miami. Fidel unloaded the prisons, fucking carter went to greet them as floated to shore.
And streets became a blood bath, so many murders. Burger king sent refers to the city morgue to store bodies.
Covid was and still is way more hype then reality, people can believe as they wish, and i will too
Post by: muddy on June 16, 2021, 09:08:20 PM
Are they all honest people and have been vacced? I don't know, my bigger question is am I the fool that still plays the game honestly and wears a mask? Would I like to like to stop wearing a mask? Absolutely! But I'm not convinced enough to get the vacc.
Darn me for being raised to be a respectful honest human being.
Sent from the twisted mind of the mudman
Post by: daves_not_here on June 16, 2021, 10:13:56 PM
Then, we don't need to actually respond (in words) to a post that we "Like," we can just "Like" it, in case we don't feel eloquent enough to actually put some words together. :))
Just a thought ...
Post by: fatfillup on June 17, 2021, 10:41:44 AM
So anyone that has been fully vacced doesn't have to wear a mask. Now I see fewer and fewer people wearing masks.
Are they all honest people and have been vacced? I don't know, my bigger question is am I the fool that still plays the game honestly and wears a mask? Would I like to like to stop wearing a mask? Absolutely! But I'm not convinced enough to get the vacc.
Darn me for being raised to be a respectful honest human being.
Sent from the twisted mind of the mudman
Muddy, what I find funny is that in south central Pa where I go to alot of auctions, PA people weren't wearing masks much anyway, at least in the auctions for quite some time
Note, being a respectful, honest human being will serve you well long term. Buttheads, liars and crooks all get their due at some point
I am glad I got my J&J vax. Time will tell if I made the right decision, if a resurgence occurs next fall and vaxed folks don't get sick then I will know I made the right choice
Post by: muddy on June 18, 2021, 08:43:05 PM
So anyone that has been fully vacced doesn't have to wear a mask. Now I see fewer and fewer people wearing masks.
Are they all honest people and have been vacced? I don't know, my bigger question is am I the fool that still plays the game honestly and wears a mask? Would I like to like to stop wearing a mask? Absolutely! But I'm not convinced enough to get the vacc.
Darn me for being raised to be a respectful honest human being.
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Muddy, what I find funny is that in south central Pa where I go to alot of auctions, PA people weren't wearing masks much anyway, at least in the auctions for quite some time
Note, being a respectful, honest human being will serve you well long term. Buttheads, liars and crooks all get their due at some point
I am glad I got my J&J vax. Time will tell if I made the right decision, if a resurgence occurs next fall and vaxed folks don't get sick then I will know I made the right choice
South Central is a heavy Amish, Mennonite, bretheren etc. They are going to believe more in god then in science. And also fairly conservative area as well. Hence why we saw the Amish community get hit hard with Covid-19 because they didn't believe in any of the precautions.
At your age (not being mean) it is a great idea that you got the vacc. I don't get sick much at all which is one reason I'm still putting off getting it.
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Post by: bonneyman on June 18, 2021, 10:23:32 PM
But the "vaccine" is STILL not FDA approved. They're fighting hard to get approval, but in the medicines own literature it says it is an unapproved vaccine. Plus the big pharma companies still have total immunity against any claims by sick or dead patients. And President Trump only gave it emergency approval because of Fauci's advice - and his recently released emails show a whole lot of culpability on his part. And of all Trumps advisors, Fauci was one of the very few not to get the boot by the Biden team. Hmmm.
Many people have died after getting the jab - but the numbers get ignored by most media because they're in on it. And of those who die after getting the shot it's never "because of the vaccine". When this whole thing started virtually every death was 'because of COVID". How interesting that the flu usually kills about 12,000 people a year - even with a yearly vaccine. Yet last flu season not a SINGLE person died form influenza. "That's because the COVID restrictions stopped it". Yeah right! I think the flu death numbers were rolled into COVID columns.
Those 60 million doses of expired vaccine are going to be given to people anyway. They wouldn't sell expired milk, but an expired experimental vaccine? What the heck! Too many things just don't add up. Every day seems to bring out more funny business. I'm not taking the stuff, even if they mandate it.
Post by: Lookin4_67GalaxieConv on June 18, 2021, 11:47:03 PM
But getting back to the vaccine, I think there's lots of good reasons to get it and lots of good reasons not to. As long as we're free enough as a people in this country to make our own decisions, I'll continue to evaluate it.
Post by: Heiny57 on June 22, 2021, 04:25:50 PM
Post by: slip knot on June 22, 2021, 05:28:30 PM
Post by: DeadNutz on June 22, 2021, 06:02:36 PM
Post by: Lookin4_67GalaxieConv on July 24, 2021, 01:15:59 PM
Post by: pep on July 25, 2021, 06:33:40 AM
Post by: Lookin4_67GalaxieConv on July 27, 2021, 10:02:43 AM
There's a little known but growing rumor. The shot is chipping the good sheep .
Baaaaaaa :))
Post by: DeadNutz on July 27, 2021, 10:49:15 AM
These darn microchips floating around in my body are driving me crazy. Now I understand why the automakers have chip shortages.
I had to have a neighbor remove all the magnets from my shop as they all kept sticking to me.
I think the fetal tissue in it is giving me a breast fixation.
I'll document more side effects later.
Post by: walrus on July 27, 2021, 05:07:42 PM
Post by: slip knot on July 27, 2021, 05:14:04 PM
I'd be more worried about the cell phone in my pocket 24/7 than Bill Gates chip
This is for real. I know my cell phone tracks me. every time I got to the races in Corpus I start getting scam calls from there and all the little towns along the way.
Post by: pep on July 27, 2021, 09:00:55 PM
Post by: slip knot on July 27, 2021, 09:14:06 PM
Post by: pep on July 28, 2021, 07:51:27 AM
Phone using the trucks GPS, you can make phone calls without the location of the phone on. Think maps, where is my phone, and where are you apps, people use on each other.
Yes phone pings towers, but only someone with a need to know can see that. Company phone all are bets off, but the off button serves the user well.
Couple of jobs ago, traveled the east coast. I'd be somewhere on a friday after noon. Data center at min staff, work finished want to leave early. Turn off phone and rolled out. Did that for 10 years.
I'm not naive I know this is all connected one way or another. My goal is to not make it easy. Set up as many barriers and I can think of.
Need to find something launch the location feature, once found off it goes. We are still smarter than the gadgets we're surrounded by, off button wins every time.
We see these crime shows, showing dead persons phone pinging .......... why cause no one ever turns them off.
Some just cannot live free of the nonsense these intrusive gadgets constantly hound the owner with .
Post by: walrus on July 28, 2021, 11:48:02 AM
Post by: slip knot on July 28, 2021, 12:13:44 PM
Post by: goodfellow on July 28, 2021, 02:15:02 PM
There's a little known but growing rumor. The shot is chipping the good sheep .
Baaaaaaa :))
From a technological standpoint I'm sure it can be done. A few years back I was at a lab that developed RFID tag technology. The state of the art back then was tags that were so small that they could be sprayed through a HVLP spray gun for really cheap mass application and tracking purposes. At the time they were working on making the RFID tags even smaller. Given that this was already viable some years ago, it's not too far out of the realm of possibilities that these days an RFID tag could be just a few microns in size and readily injectable.
Do I believe that Uncle Sam is doing this? --- No! -- BUT, do also I believe that the technology exists to do so? -- absolutely Yes!
Industry called it "Smart Dust" --
https://thefutureofthings.com/3221-hitachi-develops-worlds-smallest-rfid-chip/
https://starporttech.com/blogs/news/researchers-develop-what-may-be-the-smallest-rfid-chip
Post by: fatfillup on July 28, 2021, 03:17:10 PM
Just curious if the delta variant has changed anybody"s mind on getting the vaccine. I am glad I got mine back in June. Was reluctant but figured it was time
Post by: fatfillup on July 28, 2021, 03:18:27 PM
Post by: Lookin4_67GalaxieConv on July 28, 2021, 05:01:48 PM
Just curious if the delta variant has changed anybody"s mind on getting the vaccine. I am glad I got mine back in June. Was reluctant but figured it was time
Today I got the first shot of the Phizer vaccine. I was edging closer to getting it, and the Delta Variant convinced me. Will go back in 3-4 weeks for the second shot.
Post by: jabberwoki on July 28, 2021, 07:32:15 PM
I'm skeptical the OFF button shuts any locating features off
I`m with you there.
Post by: goodfellow on July 28, 2021, 08:14:59 PM
I'm skeptical the OFF button shuts any locating features off
I`m with you there.
I was told by a telecom engineer that I know that Apple iPhones never really shut off. You can shut them down, but they will always ping "Galactic HQ" in Cupertino no matter what you do.
Post by: pep on July 28, 2021, 09:54:49 PM
I wonder if the truck isn’t always on and if it’s ever off. Once it’s connected to me it’s just as bad as having phone on. I guess it’s the cost of having a smart vehicle. The old farm truck is only as smart as the driver. Some days it seems pretty dumb 🤔🤔
Pull the fuse for the modem in the truck, that will kill it. Providing you're the owner and it's not a company rig. Turning it off will not affect the driveability.
Of course the geewiz door locks, maps & ect will be disabled. For updates you can choose to not allow auto system updates .
Back to the original topic spam calls while drive thru states .Never have had that happen, I don't sync the cell with the car, via blue tooth .
"I'm skeptical the OFF button shuts any locating features off"
good way to find out, turn it off. Go to your desk top and ask, find my phone ...
It is a simple network interrupt a link and it's dead. You only have 1, one, mac address, you open any link to it, the system will not find the device.
Post by: Rural53 on August 08, 2021, 06:49:34 AM
Post by: fatfillup on August 08, 2021, 12:59:27 PM
We know the vaccine works, though not 100%, the numbers prove that. We don't know long term effects if any. I am encouraging my wife to get it, she is on the fence.
Post by: Lookin4_67GalaxieConv on August 08, 2021, 01:06:26 PM
First shot today.
My shoulder was sore as hell the next day.
Post by: Rural53 on August 09, 2021, 05:08:41 AM
My shoulder was sore as hell the next day.
NZ is using the Pfizer vaccine, quite a few people are saying the same thing about being very sore. I know I've been jabbed, but nothing major. The other reported side effect I've heard of, including my boss, is fatigue on the afternoon of the day after. I haven't had that.
Post by: muddy on August 12, 2021, 09:44:09 PM
Given the uptick in infections and the delta variant I imagine more folks will get shots.Seems there still an lull in interest in it. Mandy is on the fence to leaning more towards wanting it but not enough to actually do it lol.
We know the vaccine works, though not 100%, the numbers prove that. We don't know long term effects if any. I am encouraging my wife to get it, she is on the fence.
I'm off the fence but not far enough to say I'm an anti vacc. If need be I will get it. Till then I'll do without.
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Post by: slip knot on August 13, 2021, 04:51:56 PM
Post by: skfarmer on August 13, 2021, 06:33:56 PM
To each his own of course but it is much a do about nothing.
Post by: fatfillup on August 14, 2021, 06:01:33 PM
Sorry, but I am tired of the virus and the vaccine is the answer. Without it we may haves years of this crap of up and down numbers, mutations and constant bickering between pro vacs and anti vaxxers. Not to mention folks dying
Post by: goodfellow on August 14, 2021, 06:57:11 PM
I wish my wife woukd get it. She has had many people she respects tell her to get it, but hangs on to the belief its iffy.
Sorry, but I am tired of the virus and the vaccine is the answer. Without it we may haves years of this crap of up and down numbers, mutations and constant bickering between pro vacs and anti vaxxers. Not to mention folks dying
Your wife may have some legitimate concerns Phil. The way the government scrubs and presents the data about possible COVID side effects is worrying.
Post by: bonneyman on August 14, 2021, 08:18:18 PM
I can't even verify the 'shots' Biden and Camel got were real. Just read where a nurse gave saline instead of the vaccine to 300 people. Not caught till after the fact.
If you choose to take the shot then that's your choice. My choice is no.
Post by: walrus on August 15, 2021, 06:21:19 PM
I wish my wife woukd get it. She has had many people she respects tell her to get it, but hangs on to the belief its iffy.We have years of this no matter what. There is no going back
Sorry, but I am tired of the virus and the vaccine is the answer. Without it we may haves years of this crap of up and down numbers, mutations and constant bickering between pro vacs and anti vaxxers. Not to mention folks dying
Post by: skfarmer on August 15, 2021, 09:53:11 PM
I wish my wife woukd get it. She has had many people she respects tell her to get it, but hangs on to the belief its iffy.We have years of this no matter what. There is no going back
Sorry, but I am tired of the virus and the vaccine is the answer. Without it we may haves years of this crap of up and down numbers, mutations and constant bickering between pro vacs and anti vaxxers. Not to mention folks dying
you are correct, there is no going back but your assessment of it doesn't make much sense either.
would you stand in the middle of the road at night with cars whizzing past you and do nothing. at the very least you would want something reflective, better yet, stand on the edge of the road or better still move a distance off the road. could you still get hit? damn right but the chance are far less than standing in the middle of the road doing nothing.
tens of thousands have died from covid, many more will. the simple facts are that every little thing any of us can do to slow or prevent this shit is worth doing.
i despise masks and vaccines as much as any of you do but the simple facts are that they work at preventing and or minimising the effects. far less risk than getting it.
i had a couple cold ones this weekend with a guy i met at the lake this summer. pretty damn conservative guy. after being very sick with covid last spring he immediately made his wife get vaccinated saying. "i don't wish this shit on anyone. he recently got vaccinated and said he felt like shit for a couple days but nothing like having covid.
Post by: walrus on August 16, 2021, 03:59:34 AM
Post by: pep on August 16, 2021, 06:22:53 AM
Will see
Post by: fatfillup on August 16, 2021, 10:34:51 AM
I wish my wife woukd get it. She has had many people she respects tell her to get it, but hangs on to the belief its iffy.
Sorry, but I am tired of the virus and the vaccine is the answer. Without it we may haves years of this crap of up and down numbers, mutations and constant bickering between pro vacs and anti vaxxers. Not to mention folks dying
Your wife may have some legitimate concerns Phil. The way the government scrubs and presents the data about possible COVID side effects is worrying.
I watched the link. Fellow has some really good points, especially if it is true that folks have not be autopsied after dying within weeks of getting the shot. BUT, he really made me question his bias when he said face masks do nothing. While I know they aren't perfect and need to be worn correctly and the virus can pass through them, I have a real hard time believing that they don't at least limit the distance the virus can travel going through a mask verses an unmasked person.
He seemed to be talking about the RMA vaccines, Pfizer and Moderna, which I have heard questioned from another source. That is why I went J&J which I believe is a more traditional vaccine.
Another thing I have a problem with is folks saying the media is complicit with the government on withholding info. Yes I know a good chunk of the media is quite left leaning, but there is Fox news and talk radio that if they had concrete evidence about the vaccine being dangerous, or other shennangings going on, there ratings would soar and I haven't seen or heard it.
People are getting quite sick, and dying from the Delta strand and the vaccine would certainly help stem that tide.
Post by: jabberwoki on August 16, 2021, 07:33:16 PM
Post by: pep on August 27, 2021, 08:24:20 AM
That's exactly how we are where we are in this society. Hands out for a pay off, never mind the consequences :-\
If someone offers me 250 for a booster I am on it like flies on shit.
To each his own of course but it is much a do about nothing.
Post by: skfarmer on August 27, 2021, 12:38:47 PM
So you're easily bought, sorry to read that frankly.
That's exactly how we are where we are in this society. Hands out for a pay off, never mind the consequences :-\If someone offers me 250 for a booster I am on it like flies on shit.
To each his own of course but it is much a do about nothing.
oh that is bullshit and you know it. it has nothing to do with me being bought and i take offense to your suggestion of it. you do not get to make this personal with me. i have not and will not be bought. my point was that i had no issue with taking the shots first time around and will take the booster whether they pay me or not. if they are willing to pay me i am foolish not to take it.
i took the shot to protect my invalid mother, my immune compromised wife, my fellow ems and firemen and the people in my area who depend on our services.
i could give a fuck whether you take a shot or not but call me a sellout again and you will be looking for a new place to post.
Post by: TexasT on September 01, 2021, 09:18:18 AM
That said I'm about a week on the other side of a nasty bought of diarrhea that lead to severe(their term) dehydration. I was light headed and dizzy and wasn't eating, and it was coming out. Ended up in the er and they did ekg, and other tests(they stuck a thing up my nose darn near into my eyeball and came back with a positive for the vid). Then got hooked up on an iv to rehydrate and then a few hrs later sent home. They prescribed some nausea meds, but I wasn't nauseous so we didn't even get that filled. Got some imodium, and lots of pedialite, sugar free power ade and water. Ended up loosing about 15# but That isn't a bad thing other than the dehydration.
No instructions for the vid, so this leads me to the over blown flu from my perspective. Could it have been prevented? Maybe , maybe not, but it seems this strain affects men or males as my wife and daughters weren't affected but my son and several of my coworkers seem to have or have had the same stuff I did.
Either way, I hope the vax types aren't affected long term with a largely untested other than on the general population vaccination. That is my main fear.
I hope all are well. I'm back to work so we will rebuild the emergency fund so we can be ready for the next hiccup.
Post by: jabberwoki on September 01, 2021, 07:12:14 PM
Post by: slip knot on September 01, 2021, 10:31:11 PM
Now were seeing the boosters coming, Delta, then several other variants coming down the pipe. Seems the vaxxers will be on a booster merry go round from this point onwards. doing the socially responsible thing. When/Where does it end. From 2 weeks of quarantine to endless boosters.
I'm still a "you do you and i'll do me" type but for how long? Are vaccine visas coming. Vere are your papers? will we needs to show our papers to go in the grocery store? Will the antivaxxers be allowed to starve? Will you need to show your booster card when you apply for a job? I can see an ugly future for this country.
Post by: Lookin4_67GalaxieConv on September 02, 2021, 12:50:14 AM
I can see an ugly future for this country.
I saw that when the Emperor with no clothes was elected in 2008. It's just gotten worse. They're trying to convince us less than twenty deaths of thugs every year by the police is a bigger problem than fatherless homes and degrading and violent culture. And they have convinced one key demographic, young white women with big mouths that don't know shit.
Post by: goodfellow on September 02, 2021, 06:54:32 AM
I can see an ugly future for this country.
......... And they have convinced one key demographic, young white women with big mouths that don't know shit.
That is absolutely true in my experience. White women in general (not just the young) have been fed the idea that white men are oppressors, racists, and misogynists. They are indoctrinated into these beliefs by the media, their K-12 schools, and their colleges. The lefts wraps all that indoctrination BS into a nice pink wrapper and calls it diversity/inclusion. White women have been duped by these ideas since Bill Clinton came into office. Clinton's cabinet and political appointees were the advance guard that latched onto the 1960s/70s women's rights and abortion movement and started the ball rolling.
Post by: bonneyman on September 02, 2021, 10:39:54 AM
When/Where does it end.
Just look at Australia and New Zealand.
First they take the guns and then they come and take you. The only thing we learn from history is that we don't learn from history.
Beware of the coming false flag, gents. It's waiting in the wings, ready to be unleashed at the right moment.
Post by: muddy on September 02, 2021, 06:00:00 PM
I see this in my Sister In law. She may not say it so bluntly. However the way she says things you can tell to here the Old White Man, or men in n general is the problem.I can see an ugly future for this country.
......... And they have convinced one key demographic, young white women with big mouths that don't know shit.
That is absolutely true in my experience. White women in general (not just the young) have been fed the idea that white men are oppressors, racists, and misogynists. They are indoctrinated into these beliefs by the media, their K-12 schools, and their colleges. The lefts wraps all that indoctrination BS into a nice pink wrapper and calls it diversity/inclusion. White women have been duped by these ideas since Bill Clinton came into office. Clinton's cabinet and political appointees were the advance guard that latched onto the 1960s/70s women's rights and abortion movement and started the ball rolling.
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Post by: walrus on September 02, 2021, 06:23:17 PM
Old white men run the worldI see this in my Sister In law. She may not say it so bluntly. However the way she says things you can tell to here the Old White Man, or men in n general is the problem.I can see an ugly future for this country.
......... And they have convinced one key demographic, young white women with big mouths that don't know shit.
That is absolutely true in my experience. White women in general (not just the young) have been fed the idea that white men are oppressors, racists, and misogynists. They are indoctrinated into these beliefs by the media, their K-12 schools, and their colleges. The lefts wraps all that indoctrination BS into a nice pink wrapper and calls it diversity/inclusion. White women have been duped by these ideas since Bill Clinton came into office. Clinton's cabinet and political appointees were the advance guard that latched onto the 1960s/70s women's rights and abortion movement and started the ball rolling.
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Post by: slip knot on September 02, 2021, 09:04:08 PM
Old white men run the worldI see this in my Sister In law. She may not say it so bluntly. However the way she says things you can tell to here the Old White Man, or men in n general is the problem.I can see an ugly future for this country.
......... And they have convinced one key demographic, young white women with big mouths that don't know shit.
That is absolutely true in my experience. White women in general (not just the young) have been fed the idea that white men are oppressors, racists, and misogynists. They are indoctrinated into these beliefs by the media, their K-12 schools, and their colleges. The lefts wraps all that indoctrination BS into a nice pink wrapper and calls it diversity/inclusion. White women have been duped by these ideas since Bill Clinton came into office. Clinton's cabinet and political appointees were the advance guard that latched onto the 1960s/70s women's rights and abortion movement and started the ball rolling.
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This will never change.
Post by: bonneyman on September 02, 2021, 10:06:31 PM
However the way she says things you can tell to here the Old White Man, or men in n general is the problem.
Sent from the twisted mind of the mudman
I've heard it said that all of the problems women have are caused by men. Such as:
Premenstrual syndrome
Menstruation
Menopause
Mental illness
I don't really understand the problem. All of the problems women cause men can be cured with earplugs. :P
Post by: fatfillup on September 03, 2021, 04:08:42 AM
Heard of a study done in Israel that compared what gave most protection from the virus. They studied only the Pfizer shot against having had covid and having covid and the shot. Don't know how extensive the study was.
Most effective was having had covid and having the shot
Next was having covid
Last was just the shot which of course is still quite effective.
Post by: slip knot on September 03, 2021, 08:38:36 PM
Post by: bonneyman on September 03, 2021, 11:38:35 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9956313/Boxer-Oscar-La-Hoya-48-tests-positive-COVID-despite-fully-vaccinated.html
Post by: Rural53 on September 04, 2021, 01:27:28 AM
I had my second dose today.
Post by: Midnitemack on September 04, 2021, 01:27:39 AM
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Post by: jabberwoki on September 04, 2021, 11:17:02 AM
I`ve got a old mate he`s a WW2 vet, tough as nails and spry as a 20 year old... i love him.
Post by: coolmercury on September 04, 2021, 03:14:06 PM
Post by: goodfellow on September 04, 2021, 03:38:34 PM
......... Now if you remember Trump pushed hydroxychloroquinine and it was attacked by (well, you know as well as me). Isn't it interesting that me and the wife both take it for muscle cramps and have for more than 10 years. That we have taken the shot or not is our business, not that of anybody else! Sorry, after all the above comments by many of you I just had to put my 2 cents in.
It's interesting to me that governments across the globe are actively perusing a strategy to make Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquinine illegal for COVID treatment; yet there are respected scientists who support the use of the drugs. I'm not conspiracy oriented, but I'm sure if you follow the money, BIG PHARMA is probably pushing for the Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquinine restrictions because there is no money to made on those common drugs. If there were, they'd be pushing the stuff like gummy bears.
Post by: Lookin4_67GalaxieConv on September 04, 2021, 04:48:12 PM
General consensus is thevaccinewhatever you want to call it produces a response in the body that means if you do get Covid the effects are not as severe.
I had my second dose today.
I also had the second shot today. I waited longer than the recommended three weeks before the first and the second shots because I had read somewhere it would be effective longer.
Cool Mercury, I completely agree with your statement, it's up to you to get the shot or not. For me, I have heart issues, am over fifty, and with news of these other variants, figured it was time to do it. Was I 100% sold? Nope, but last thing I want is to be on a ventilator.
For you old timers who used to be on Channel 3, there was a guy named Bolster. He started off a thread years ago about jack stands that was very prophetic...
Mock me if you will, I am NOT buying a HF jack stand, no way! I'm perfectly content to die some other way, just not from a HF jack stand. I mean, I expect my death will be on account of the Chinese at some point, but...just not a jack stand, please.
Post by: walrus on September 04, 2021, 05:51:55 PM
I'm sure some Drs are bought and paid for but so many they aren't speaking up about it.
Post by: muddy on September 04, 2021, 07:08:52 PM
Yeah, just more proof the "vaccine" ain't one. Oscar De La Joya just got COVID and he's also fully vaccinated.Being fully vaccinated he probably won't get as sick though. That's my understanding.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9956313/Boxer-Oscar-La-Hoya-48-tests-positive-COVID-despite-fully-vaccinated.html
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Post by: jabberwoki on September 04, 2021, 07:32:33 PM
Post by: jabberwoki on September 04, 2021, 07:34:49 PM
Post by: muddy on September 04, 2021, 08:09:32 PM
From what i looked up the original 3 shots are not as effective on the mutated 19 strain that being drummed up.Honestly not surprised since most of them (the vaccines) were developed soon coming up on a year.
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Post by: slip knot on September 04, 2021, 10:15:32 PM
I'm at a loss as to how Ivermectin kills a virus. I realize its used in humans for some intestinal worms like it its used in animals. Its also used for some skin issues. I wonder who is pushing it and how does it work in the case of Covid. If it does work and Big Pharma is the one keeping it away from us, that must mean all or a huge % of Drs are bought and paid for.
I'm sure some Drs are bought and paid for but so many they aren't speaking up about it.
Ivomec is being used in some foreign markets but out MSM will never allow any word here.
Post by: Heiny57 on September 10, 2021, 08:49:28 PM
......... Now if you remember Trump pushed hydroxychloroquinine and it was attacked by (well, you know as well as me). Isn't it interesting that me and the wife both take it for muscle cramps and have for more than 10 years. That we have taken the shot or not is our business, not that of anybody else! Sorry, after all the above comments by many of you I just had to put my 2 cents in.
It's interesting to me that governments across the globe are actively perusing a strategy to make Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquinine illegal for COVID treatment; yet there are respected scientists who support the use of the drugs. I'm not conspiracy oriented, but I'm sure if you follow the money, BIG PHARMA is probably pushing for the Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquinine restrictions because there is no money to made on those common drugs. If there were, they'd be pushing the stuff like gummy bears.
Ding Ding Ding Follow the money.
Post by: goodfellow on September 10, 2021, 09:01:53 PM
Sad to say, but our confidence and trust that the federal government is working for average Americans has been totally undermined by these events.
Post by: fatfillup on September 11, 2021, 01:41:58 PM
Post by: slip knot on September 11, 2021, 02:18:47 PM
Post by: walrus on September 12, 2021, 05:56:15 AM
The hypocrisy of BIG government is truly on display today. Yesterday Pres. Biden mandated vaccines for the general public, yet today we find out that certain unions such as the USPS union, lobbied and received exemptions for their membership. To top it off, the vaccine mandates don't apply to illegal aliens crossing the border, nor do they apply to members of congress and their staff. What does that tell you about the crooked cabal that is running Washington?Business as usual, same type of shit happened with Obama care. Anyone who thinks the US govt is out to help anyone but the beautiful people is smoking something.
Sad to say, but our confidence and trust that the federal government is working for average Americans has been totally undermined by these events.
Post by: jabberwoki on September 12, 2021, 06:59:20 PM
Post by: fatfillup on September 13, 2021, 05:11:33 AM
Jabber, AYE
Post by: walrus on September 14, 2021, 05:15:54 AM
Those in favour of a new 3rd party say AYE.Not sure why this hasn't happened, Ross Perot had a large 3rd party in Maine going for awhile and it just died out after he lost in 92. He got a big % in Maine for 3rd party candidate, I think it was 20%?
Term limits is what we need as we are 2 greedy to vote out existing congress aholes. It comes back to your congressman sucks and mine does to but once in the booth we vote for our ahole as he/she gets us money in some pork bill.
Post by: Lookin4_67GalaxieConv on September 14, 2021, 07:48:15 AM
Those in favour of a new 3rd party say AYE.Not sure why this hasn't happened, Ross Perot had a large 3rd party in Maine going for awhile and it just died out after he lost in 92. He got a big % in Maine for 3rd party candidate, I think it was 20%?
Term limits is what we need as we are 2 greedy to vote out existing congress aholes. It comes back to your congressman sucks and mine does to but once in the booth we vote for our ahole as he/she gets us money in some pork bill.
C'mon Walrus, you know exactly why. If there's one thing the Dems and Repubs have in common it's not wanting another party to challenge them. So they'll do anything behind the scenes to make sure it doesn't happen. It's just like certain issues. Both parties will use them to rile up the base and fundraise off of.
Post by: slip knot on September 14, 2021, 08:42:48 AM
Post by: geneg on September 14, 2021, 08:54:13 AM
Post by: Crispycritter on September 19, 2021, 04:11:31 PM
Post by: jabberwoki on September 19, 2021, 10:19:32 PM
Post by: pep on November 14, 2021, 08:15:29 AM
Post by: slip knot on November 14, 2021, 10:51:32 AM
Post by: skfarmer on November 14, 2021, 02:53:01 PM
one of my guys got the booster on Wednesday morning last week, then got sick and took off Wednesday at lunch. We were off Thursday for Veterans day and he called in sick again on Friday. But I bet he wont blame it on the booster... He really imbibes the MSM coolaid.
i am not telling anyone to get the shot or the booster.
but lets play devils advocate here. what if that same coworker got covid and was out for a long period of time?, what if that same coworker got quite ill from covid and spent time in a hospital or worse yet died? are those better or more acceptable options?
my mother just passed away. we had an open visitation, prayer service, funeral, lunch and burial. masks optional. some wore them, some did not. the only family who could not attend and wanted to was my unvaccinated niece and her family. they all had covid at the time and also were unable to see their grandmother and great-grandmother before her death for the same reason. they were dead set against the vaccination but i bet if you asked them today their answer would be somewhat different.
to the best of my knowledge we did not cause or have a super spreader event because of it. i am thankful for that.
Post by: skfarmer on November 14, 2021, 04:40:16 PM
Post by: slip knot on November 14, 2021, 05:58:28 PM
I know as many jabbed friends who've died from covid as un vacced who've survived it. so the jab doesn't work for everyone. I'll take my chances with a virus that may or may not affect me over taking a RNA modifier that may or may not work AND may or may not cause me other issues.
Post by: muddy on November 14, 2021, 07:50:05 PM
just to be clear i am not telling anyone to get or not to get vaccinated. there are plenty of reason to get or not get the shot. there also plenty of people on either side who are completely close minded to the others concerns and refuse to listen or find common ground because they think they are 100% right.It is amazing now something as simple as a vaccine has torn the country and families apart.
Imagine what the people during the civil war would think about us abandoning family and such over his simple idea compared o actual human lives they were fighting for.
Sent from the twisted mind of the mudman
Post by: jabberwoki on November 14, 2021, 08:25:56 PM
Post by: Lookin4_67GalaxieConv on November 14, 2021, 09:08:12 PM
just to be clear i am not telling anyone to get or not to get vaccinated. there are plenty of reason to get or not get the shot. there also plenty of people on either side who are completely close minded to the others concerns and refuse to listen or find common ground because they think they are 100% right.It is amazing now something as simple as a vaccine has torn the country and families apart.
True, but there's so many variables involved. Ironically our country's supposed expert on Covid, Fauci, apparently had a role in its development, as did our government. The government has lied to us so many times about this virus. Now we have a liar in chief that is never called out by the media and you don't know what to believe.
This thing was politicized in April, 2020, when they started reporting "minority communities are disproportionately affected". After that, I knew the media would be pitting straight white males against everyone else. Like they always do.
I made the decision to get the vaccine but if I hadn't, it would've been made for me. Which I fully believe to be unconstitutional. I don't begrudge anyone who has chosen not to get it.
Post by: fatfillup on November 15, 2021, 08:18:52 AM
If I thought the jab worked I would certainly take it. but if it worked there wouldn't be a need for the mandates to get the jab. It would simply be a matter of those unvacinated clowns will take themselves out of the gene pool. But just like the covid, its hit or miss whether it affects you or not. The jab isn't inherently safe. there have been many people affect more by the jab than the govt lets out. Why do you think they get a pass from any liability.
SlipKnot, I don't think there is a question the vaccine works, the numbers prove it. I don't believe there is anyway for the gov and press to be in cahoots enough to pull off a deception that big and keep it going for this long.
Is it safe long term, that no one knows for sure
As to the mandates, while I agree they are unconstitutional, it may be the only way to get the virus under control and get back to normal. That is the problem with how divided this country has become.
Now to the mRNA vaccines, I wholeheartedly agree that is scary, that is why I got the J and J
Post by: TexasT on November 15, 2021, 09:09:16 AM
Don't underestimate the lengths greed drives people to go. Be it massaging the numbers, to our right making the numbers up to push out as news.If I thought the jab worked I would certainly take it. but if it worked there wouldn't be a need for the mandates to get the jab. It would simply be a matter of those unvacinated clowns will take themselves out of the gene pool. But just like the covid, its hit or miss whether it affects you or not. The jab isn't inherently safe. there have been many people affect more by the jab than the govt lets out. Why do you think they get a pass from any liability.
SlipKnot, I don't think there is a question the vaccine works, the numbers prove it. I don't believe there is anyway for the gov and press to be in cahoots enough to pull off a deception that big and keep it going for this long.
Is it safe long term, that no one knows for sure
As to the mandates, while I agree they are unconstitutional, it may be the only way to get the virus under control and get back to normal. That is the problem with how divided this country has become.
Now to the mRNA vaccines, I wholeheartedly agree that is scary, that is why I got the J and J
I don't believe it works or at least we don't have near enough long term testing to be able to make a statement like that. There are places that claim to be highly vaxed yet they have the highest number of cases while other places(Florida) go opposite.
Just like the electric car green crap they are pushing. I'm not convinced we as humans are causing any kind of weather or other change. Plenty of data that goes both ways. Who to believe? I guess it is hard to go against clean air and water but to out and out lie with the studies sure does make me not believe that and much else that is put out as science.
Follow the money.
Post by: bonneyman on November 15, 2021, 09:15:57 AM
If I thought the jab worked I would certainly take it. but if it worked there wouldn't be a need for the mandates to get the jab. It would simply be a matter of those unvacinated clowns will take themselves out of the gene pool. But just like the covid, its hit or miss whether it affects you or not. The jab isn't inherently safe. there have been many people affect more by the jab than the govt lets out. Why do you think they get a pass from any liability.
I know as many jabbed friends who've died from covid as un vacced who've survived it. so the jab doesn't work for everyone. I'll take my chances with a virus that may or may not affect me over taking a RNA modifier that may or may not work AND may or may not cause me other issues.
:great:
Post by: slip knot on November 15, 2021, 11:59:50 AM
just to be clear i am not telling anyone to get or not to get vaccinated. there are plenty of reason to get or not get the shot. there also plenty of people on either side who are completely close minded to the others concerns and refuse to listen or find common ground because they think they are 100% right.It is amazing now something as simple as a vaccine has torn the country and families apart.
Imagine what the people during the civil war would think about us abandoning family and such over his simple idea compared o actual human lives they were fighting for.
I’m beginning to fear the response to the virus more than the virus itself. I’m seeing the toll it’s starting to take on families. Even my own.
Sent from the twisted mind of the mudman
Post by: fatfillup on November 16, 2021, 08:30:44 AM
Don't underestimate the lengths greed drives people to go. Be it massaging the numbers, to our right making the numbers up to push out as news.
Follow the money.
I agree that greed will make people do all kinds of bad things and no doubt about following the money BUT to keep a deception that big going for this long would involve a huge number of people and couldn't be substained IMO
As to the studies, lies and out right bad info, what makes you think that only one side distorts the facts. I have quit listening to the far left and far right because there are wingnuts on both sides and that money trail can be followed on both ends.
I used to consider myself pretty far right but the right has moved just as far right as the left has left so I suppose I am more moderate right now,
Post by: DeadNutz on November 16, 2021, 08:54:32 AM
My biggest problem with this whole Covid mess is that the government claims that the vaccine is the only answer. They totally ignore natural immunity gained by surviving Covid. They have outlawed in some states prescribing Ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine and other drugs that do seem be to be effective in treating and reducing symptoms. The media is very complicit in deriding these treatments as quack and ineffective with Ivermectin being called such names as pig dewormer.
Don't underestimate the lengths greed drives people to go. Be it massaging the numbers, to our right making the numbers up to push out as news.
Follow the money.
I agree that greed will make people do all kinds of bad things and no doubt about following the money BUT to keep a deception that big going for this long would involve a huge number of people and couldn't be substained IMO
As to the studies, lies and out right bad info, what makes you think that only one side distorts the facts. I have quit listening to the far left and far right because there are wingnuts on both sides and that money trail can be followed on both ends.
I used to consider myself pretty far right but the right has moved just as far right as the left has left so I suppose I am more moderate right now,
Until the government backs off their gestapo approach to this situation and allows alternatives to the vaccine it will not get any better. Yes, follow the money.
Post by: skfarmer on November 16, 2021, 09:34:06 PM
ivermectin has been used for decades to control parasites in animals. i have used it as such.
Post by: DeadNutz on November 16, 2021, 09:56:41 PM
i won't argue all of the potential use of ivermectin but calling ivermectin a pig dewormer is hardly spreading disinformation.It is disinformation to ridicule people taking the pill form by calling it a dewormer. Ivermectin was not developed as a dewormer but to treat parasites in people. I have used plenty of it on horses myself and probably have some expired stuff down in the barn.
ivermectin has been used for decades to control parasites in animals. i have used it as such.
Post by: walrus on November 17, 2021, 06:23:18 AM
My biggest problem with this whole Covid mess is that the government claims that the vaccine is the only answer. They totally ignore natural immunity gained by surviving Covid. They have outlawed in some states prescribing Ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine and other drugs that do seem be to be effective in treating and reducing symptoms. The media is very complicit in deriding these treatments as quack and ineffective with Ivermectin being called such names as pig dewormer.
Don't underestimate the lengths greed drives people to go. Be it massaging the numbers, to our right making the numbers up to push out as news.
Follow the money.
I agree that greed will make people do all kinds of bad things and no doubt about following the money BUT to keep a deception that big going for this long would involve a huge number of people and couldn't be substained IMO
As to the studies, lies and out right bad info, what makes you think that only one side distorts the facts. I have quit listening to the far left and far right because there are wingnuts on both sides and that money trail can be followed on both ends.
I used to consider myself pretty far right but the right has moved just as far right as the left has left so I suppose I am more moderate right now,
Until the government backs off their gestapo approach to this situation and allows alternatives to the vaccine it will not get any better. Yes, follow the money.
The Govt doesn't allow all kinds of drugs to be used. Money is always a factor in every decision made in this world. If some reputable scientist could explain to me how a parasite drug kills covid or some how boosts your immune system to kill covid I'll listen, until then its social media spread lies.
Post by: Barks on November 18, 2021, 08:04:40 AM
Well, one example is using minoxidil, developed to treat high blood pressure, now sold as a hair growth or replacement treatment. No idea about killing parasites but a lot of drugs are developed for one treatment and subsequently found to be useful in treating entirely different ailments.
Post by: walrus on November 18, 2021, 05:08:38 PM
"The Govt doesn't allow all kinds of drugs to be used. Money is always a factor in every decision made in this world. If some reputable scientist could explain to me how a parasite drug kills covid or some how boosts your immune system to kill covid I'll listen, until then its social media spread lies."
Well, one example is using minoxidil, developed to treat high blood pressure, now sold as a hair growth or replacement treatment. No idea about killing parasites but a lot of drugs are developed for one treatment and subsequently found to be useful in treating entirely different ailments.
I agree with that, some drugs developed for other uses have been tried on Covid, I haven't heard of one that really works after trials were set up to test their ability at slowing down or killing the virus.
I beginning to think that civil war, world wars, 9-11 etc couldn't kill our country but Social media is going to.
Post by: DeadNutz on November 18, 2021, 06:21:15 PM
Post by: slip knot on November 18, 2021, 07:22:38 PM
I think its too late, but I cant blame social media. more like a Government and media collusion to mis-inform the populace. Both institutions have lost all credibility in the publics view. When the citizenry no longer trust their government then the country has failed.
Post by: TexasT on November 21, 2021, 07:37:23 AM
Have you wondered why this vid and the related mandates and "passport" gets pushed so hard for no apparent reason? Here is a reason.
Post by: fatfillup on November 21, 2021, 09:05:42 AM
When the citizenry no longer trust their government then the country has failed.
I think that happened a long time ago to various degrees depending on which group you were aligned with. Most likely ever since there were governments and countries.
In the end I don't think governments or political parties are really looking out for your or mine best interests. They talk a good game but the results are not there. I may be getting cynical :))
Post by: pep on November 29, 2021, 08:21:43 AM
"Reeves agreed that one could make that argument, but he went on to argue that despite the fact that most agree vaccines are effective at preventing severe disease and death, vaccinated people were still spreading COVID-19." :-\
rock on
Post by: DeadNutz on November 29, 2021, 08:42:27 AM
Unscramble Omricon and you have Moronic. :lol_hitting:
Post by: pep on November 29, 2021, 11:16:54 AM
Post by: muddy on December 05, 2021, 06:52:22 PM
Our symptoms are that of a sinus infection and or head cold nothing major.
Pray for us as we try to survive this next week in quarantine!
Sent from the twisted mind of the mudman
Post by: skfarmer on December 05, 2021, 07:22:44 PM
could it be the covid? maybe, maybe not, i didn't get a test. i did have my booster the day before thanksgiving so i doubt i will die. :dance:
Post by: muddy on December 05, 2021, 07:38:29 PM
best wishes tim. i hope everyone gets over it safely. i have had a touch of a cold the last couple days. sore, mucous throat and some sinus pressure headache. sneezing, lots of sneezing.That's exactly what we thought symptoms we've all had a dozen times before. Mandy woke up with a fever and her office told her to get tested. That's only reason we got tested. We figured, it would be alot worse then this.
could it be the covid? maybe, maybe not, i didn't get a test. i did have my booster the day before thanksgiving so i doubt i will die. :dance:
I guess knowing we have it, is safer to others. If she didn't get tested I would have just kept going to work through it.
Sent from the twisted mind of the mudman
Post by: goodfellow on December 05, 2021, 09:13:45 PM
Post by: jabberwoki on December 05, 2021, 09:44:29 PM
Take Goodies advice on the frothy brown medicinal liquid.
Post by: fatfillup on December 06, 2021, 08:14:41 AM
Can't remember if you shared if you or Mandy are vaxxed.
Did you ship Sam off to the Grandparents?
Post by: DeadNutz on December 06, 2021, 08:44:40 AM
Post by: walrus on December 07, 2021, 04:53:13 AM
Post by: DeadNutz on December 07, 2021, 08:42:34 AM
Post by: fatfillup on December 07, 2021, 09:10:57 AM
Post by: muddy on December 08, 2021, 05:27:19 PM
Yes Tim, praying for quick and complete recovery.I'm not Vaxxed, Mandy wanted to but just never got around to it.
Can't remember if you shared if you or Mandy are vaxxed.
Did you ship Sam off to the Grandparents?
I was always waiting for this whole thing to blow over, and get the vacc after it had time to prove itself. But the way it's going it may be a ever ending booster series.
Sent from the twisted mind of the mudman
Post by: Lookin4_67GalaxieConv on December 08, 2021, 06:12:44 PM
Post by: slip knot on December 08, 2021, 07:25:46 PM
Post by: pep on January 11, 2022, 07:23:58 AM
Post by: goodfellow on January 11, 2022, 08:37:34 AM
Yes Tim, praying for quick and complete recovery.I'm not Vaxxed, Mandy wanted to but just never got around to it.
Can't remember if you shared if you or Mandy are vaxxed.
Did you ship Sam off to the Grandparents?
I was always waiting for this whole thing to blow over, and get the vacc after it had time to prove itself. But the way it's going it may be a ever ending booster series.
Sent from the twisted mind of the mudman
Yes, it seems that there's a new strain of this China virus every week, and your previous vaccinations don't work on the new threat. The government's solution is to keep pumping you full of juice as each new variant is identified. That policy in itself borders on insanity, yet many people will just get in line and let themselves be repeatedly jabbed without any second thoughts whatsoever. --- CRAZY!!!
Post by: fatfillup on January 11, 2022, 01:19:05 PM
Post by: walrus on January 11, 2022, 04:18:09 PM
Awaiting test results myself. Had some symptoms Saturday into Sunday. Got tested Monday morning, couldn;t find rapid test so few days to wait. Am somewhat enjoying not going to the shop though am still working a bit at home. Feel pretty good. If I do have covid, it is quite mild and am glad I got the J&J shot2 guys I work with have had it, one got it Christmas, the other came down with it last Friday. Luckily I haven't been around them in a few weeks. Both say it wasn't too bad. One guy had Covid back in april of 20, the other guy had J and J shot but not boosted. Both had a fever of 102 or so.
Family and friends went out to eat new years eve, the restaurant was shut down all last week but no one in our party had any issues. Sooner or later we are all getting it
Post by: fatfillup on January 11, 2022, 04:30:26 PM
My fever didn't last or go past 101. I truly hope this is covid as it hasn't been bad so far and I will take a natural boost to my immune system. Back and shoulders hurt more then usual and cough a little and a little tired.
Post by: jabberwoki on January 11, 2022, 06:52:51 PM
Post by: slip knot on January 11, 2022, 07:11:10 PM
I've always felt that when the good Lord was ready for me he would come get me. If he means for the wuhan to take me out then it will be so. Why fret about it.
Post by: fatfillup on January 12, 2022, 08:35:17 AM
Jabber, I absolutely think its wrong to be forced to take the jab of a vaccine that is basically experimental. That decision should be ones own to make.
I don't regret my decision for the J&J but it was my choice.
Slip Knot, whether you get the shot or not will have no effect on your time to go home, but doing things to stay healthy will make the wait more pleasant :)
That's why we don't live on donuts and fried foods, especially as we get older (said the formerly fat man)
Post by: TexasT on January 12, 2022, 11:08:02 AM
Not telling anyone not to get it or not to wear a mask. If it fits your activity, you do you. Stay home if that is more your speed. I'm not living in fear and if that takes me I guess that is the way it is.
I do hope everyone is washing their hands and keeping their distance. Eating well and getting plenty of rest.
Post by: skfarmer on January 12, 2022, 02:13:53 PM
I am ready to walk away but it seems the supreme court won't make that necessary. I figure I can find something with a company with less that 100 employees that doesn't require it. I don't do the flu shot and certainly won't be doing this experimental vax. Maybe In a decade or two when it has played out the side effects. I just can't see how it has an upside for a virus that has an incredible recovery rate. Not saying it doesn't take people or that is isn't real but near as I can tell it is maybe one step up from the flu.
Not telling anyone not to get it or not to wear a mask. If it fits your activity, you do you. Stay home if that is more your speed. I'm not living in fear and if that takes me I guess that is the way it is.
I do hope everyone is washing their hands and keeping their distance. Eating well and getting plenty of rest.
i am not for telling anyone what to do or mandating things.
but on the flip side i totally disagree about it having an incredible recovery rate.
my wifes cousin lost her husband to covid on christmas day and damn near died herself. they both had health problems. their son, 42 years old with 10 kids and no health issues however was not so lucky and died on december 30, less than a week after his father. his whole family ended up with covid, none of them vaccinated. i know, i went to his prayer service last night.
i doubt they consider it highly recoverable and only slightly worse than the flu.
my son, a paramedic in fargo, stopped by last night after work. once again he hauled multiple covid patients. one of the first questions they ask is are you vaccinated. he has not transported a vaccinated patient that does not have some sort of preexisting condition.. something in the neighborhood of 9 out 10 are unvaccinated and the 1 in 10 are vaccinated with preexisting.
all i can tell you is what i have seen first hand with my family. take it for what its worth.
Post by: fatfillup on January 12, 2022, 06:29:24 PM
Post by: walrus on January 13, 2022, 04:55:13 PM
Post by: TexasT on January 13, 2022, 05:31:28 PM
Unfortunately with life, we get death. This isn't to say that a vax might not prolong a life, but I'm still of the belief that there are underlying heath issues that the rona brings to the surface. The fellow at my work that passed was over weight and his father had passed not long before he was hospitalized and put on a ventilator. There were other cases where the individual was of advanced age and it was hard on them. but they are back to work. The flu produces similar results from my experience and what I have observed.
I'm still not convinced that the virus wasn't engineered to "cull the heard". I'm a tin foil hat guy and make no secret of it. The crazy stuff the likes of Bill Gates and others put out as fact or even just their opinion are pretty scary to me. To think the world is over populated and that a govt body would get to decide who stays and who doesn't goes against everything I stand for.
There is a reason for our constitution and our forefathers thought it out pretty well. I, for one, am glad they did.
As far as the 100% patients being unvaxed, give it time. As these boosters get situated, I fear a compromised immune system will allow for plenty of the vaxed to come down with the virus. It has already been shown that the vaxed can and do transmit the virus. SO, if you are vaxed why are you so worried about the rest of us?
https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/13/politics/supreme-court-vaccine-mandate-covid-19/index.html
As above, I'm glad we have a constitution and three branches of government where each rides heard over the other two to keep things somewhat honest.
If the fear is so great stay home, get your supplies delivered. I cant do it, I'm just too hard headed.
Post by: Lookin4_67GalaxieConv on January 13, 2022, 08:17:50 PM
I'm still not convinced that the virus wasn't engineered to "cull the heard". I'm a tin foil hat guy and make no secret of it. The crazy stuff the likes of Bill Gates and others put out as fact or even just their opinion are pretty scary to me. To think the world is over populated and that a govt body would get to decide who stays and who doesn't goes against everything I stand for.
I'm sure of it. There's been no evidence to indicate otherwise.
Post by: walrus on January 14, 2022, 04:45:42 AM
Post by: TexasT on January 14, 2022, 12:28:36 PM
Is there any doubt that for the finite resources the world has that the world is over populated? I'm sure Bill Gates has enough money to do whatever he wants but I think Mother Nature will drop the population sooner or later without his help.
How does one make the determination that the world is overpopulated?
Golden rule pretty much gets people a get out is jail free card or at least they can buy their way past an awful lot of setbacks. One of the tenants of a guy I once worked for was that if he could write a check to solve the problem it wasn't a problem at all.
I am glad the SCOTUS saw fit to uphold the Constitution for us commoners. I do for see a health care worker shortage at an even greater level. Too bad I guess. Rules for thee but not for me as it goes as the post office and others have exemptions.
I am looking forward to a better summer though the inflation hurts.
Post by: DeadNutz on January 14, 2022, 04:13:58 PM
https://www.howbadismybatch.com/index.html
Post by: fatfillup on January 14, 2022, 04:34:48 PM
Now can we get along? :)) Well that ain't happened yet and likely never will.
As to the finite resources, we will never run out of oil, we will only run out of cheap oil. As the price goes up, other fuels will replace it. When price of anything gets too high, a substitute will be found at a more reasonable price or we will adapt to doing without.
One example of finite resources changing. They used to cry about how much paper and wood we used. No forests will be left. Well the industry adapted and it is now sustainable. may not be cheap, but we have it.
Post by: jabberwoki on January 14, 2022, 07:21:03 PM
Doesn't make me feel too good about the future.
Post by: walrus on January 15, 2022, 07:47:27 AM
Post by: fatfillup on January 15, 2022, 08:08:18 AM
Post by: walrus on January 15, 2022, 02:20:22 PM
Walrus, I get your point but hasn't this alway been the case in some pockets of the world? The next catastrophe devastates a population. My point is, mankind finds a solution and recovers.Mankind may find a solution but before that happens lots of folks going to be dead
Post by: slip knot on January 15, 2022, 06:23:11 PM
Post by: fatfillup on January 15, 2022, 06:28:45 PM
Walrus, I get your point but hasn't this alway been the case in some pockets of the world? The next catastrophe devastates a population. My point is, mankind finds a solution and recovers.Mankind may find a solution but before that happens lots of folks going to be dead
Can't argue that
Post by: pep on May 12, 2022, 06:33:57 AM
Post by: fatfillup on May 12, 2022, 07:53:18 AM
Post by: pep on August 09, 2023, 06:39:13 AM
Walrus, I get your point but hasn't this alway been the case in some pockets of the world? The next catastrophe devastates a population. My point is, mankind finds a solution and recovers.Mankind may find a solution but before that happens lots of folks going to be dead
Can't argue that
YES you are right.
Mankind may find a solution but before that happens lots of folks going to be dead
Kill off the people the healthy people left standing.
Pfizer buckles under pressure during heated hearing, admits the unthinkable about the jab…
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