Thoughts on Ukraine?

[jabberwoki]

Whadoyathink?

[bonneyman]

I've heard all sorts of theories about why. Can't really decipher the truth from the propaganda.

Part of the country has a large Russian-speaking population. And they already annexed Crimea for the big naval facilities at Sepastopol. Perhaps Putin just wants it back, as a buffer between Russia and NATO?

[slip knot]

I've been seeing a lot of conflicting stories. Everything from Putin is wanting their natural resources to Putin was asked to step in and stop Ukraine from keeping some state from moving back to Russia? Who knows what the truth is at this point. You can damn well bet our media wont tell us the truth.

But you know the Biden crime family is in bed with the Ukraine. Hunter may well get us into this mess just to save his sorry ass.

[goodfellow]

Unknown as of this juncture. Can't trust the MSM and our Uni-party politicians at any level.

[Lookin4_67GalaxieConv]

I won't pretend to know the exact reasons Russia is doing this, but I will say Putin can easily see how weak we are with Biden in charge.  If he was going to do it, now's the time.

[pep]

It has to do with NATO, and his country being surrounded by other countries under that umbrella.

Ukraine is like America before the civil war (not really sure if that is what this country is anymore).

That said 1/2 of Ukraine a soviet loyalty, the other, it takes a village loyalty.

Ukraine, for lack of a better word, is a Russian territory, and Putin wants a soveit government and control.

And is likely to get that, stay tune, with Bidumb & that hot mess in power. I don't think have the fortitude or will to prevent it, they are bought and paid for.

This is like all these immigrants that are flooding this country and refusing to adopt to the melting pot concept.

Changeing our country into the shit holes they have run from.

[fatfillup]

Pep, intersesting point about half the country having Soviet loyalty and the other half having villiage loyalty.  Read an interesting article about Afganistan last year where the author stated that the Afgan people have always been tribal (villiage loyalty) and that no central government could ever rule them without continued force. Thinking similar mindset of the Ukrainian people that we just can't identify with.  That makes it difficult to figure out how and if to help them and doing so without starting WW III

Putin needs to suffer fatal "heart attack" cause I don't see him backing down

[slip knot]

Kind of funny how the media has painted Putin as such an evil force but is it really so. ?? Why are we being distracted by this mess now? Hasn’t this civil war been going on for some years now over there?  I think it’s just because Putin stepped up to help the side that Biden’s bunch wants under their control. Remember Hunters had lots of deals cooking in the Ukraine and “the big guy” now has even more stroke to help. 

[DeadNutz]

I think Putin's long term goal has always been to restore the Soviet Union back into power with all of the republics in the fold. He is one smart and cunning SOB and many world leaders aren't even close to how he operates.
I also think we don't have a clear picture of the events in Ukraine. It appears that their command and control was hit hard along with ammo dumps, airports, fuel supplies and aircraft. You can't rely on the tons of videos coming out of there as the people filming can't tell one side from the other so we get conflicting reports.

I don't know or even want to guess how this whole mess shakes out. I do know that our weak administration and diplomatic corps is not up to the task.

[walrus]

Hunter Biden is a peasant to the Russian oligarchs. Putin wants power and money, that ain't coming from Hunter Biden

[eborcim]

It's a civil war among the Ukranian states some of which are supported by Russia, and we do not need to be involved.

[fatfillup]

It's a civil war among the Ukranian states some of which are supported by Russia, and we do not need to be involved.

That is an interesting point and I need to consider that.  And I am all for not getting involved in the politics of other countries because it never ends like we think it will.

[slip knot]

Hunter Biden is a peasant to the Russian oligarchs. Putin wants power and money, that ain't coming from Hunter Biden

I agree Hunter wouldn't make a pimple on Putins ass, but Hunter has been involved with the Ukrainians for years . Rememeber the Burisma BS?  The Ukrainians may use that to leverage his Dad to assist them now.

[Rural53]

[goodfellow]

Ukraine was set up by the US as a money laundering center. It served a purpose for clandestine operations and fraud that would have been uncovered in western countries. Powerful politicians used the US AID system that sent "financial aid" to Ukraine as a way to get kickbacks into their own pockets, and the pockets of their friends.

Ever wonder why the US never has enough money to pay for domestic programs, yet congress ALWAYS approves foreign aid. In a word == Kickbacks!

This is the real way that politicians enrich themselves and their families/foundations/friends. The Clinton Foundation is the poster child for these activities, and Joe Biden used his son Hunter to be the "bagman" in his dealings with the Ukrainians.

Read this interesting editorial -- Now we know why Pres. Trump had to be removed. He was going to shut it all down. Republicans and Democrats alike do not want this system to change.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/03/06/sunday-talks-petro-poroshenko-outlines-the-importance-of-american-payments-to-ukraine-politicians/

[eborcim]

Ukraine was set up by the US as a money laundering center. It served a purpose for clandestine operations and fraud that would have been uncovered in western countries. Powerful politicians used the US AID system that sent "financial aid" to Ukraine as a way to get kickbacks into their own pockets, and the pockets of their friends.

Ever wonder why the US never has enough money to pay for domestic programs, yet congress ALWAYS approves foreign aid. In a word == Kickbacks!

This is the real way that politicians enrich themselves and their families/foundations/friends. The Clinton Foundation is the poster child for these activities, and Joe Biden used his son Hunter to be the "bagman" in his dealings with the Ukrainians.

Read this interesting editorial -- Now we know why Pres. Trump had to be removed. He was going to shut it all down. Republicans and Democrats alike do not want this system to change.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/03/06/sunday-talks-petro-poroshenko-outlines-the-importance-of-american-payments-to-ukraine-politicians/

Agree with GF.

[goodfellow]

Wow! -- looks like US money laundering through Ukraine was just the tip of the iceberg. Ukraine was also used by the deep state to research and develop bio-weapons. Our government is out of control. When our laws specifically prevent this type of research on US territory, the deep state moves the research to China (Wuhan Labs) and Ukraine. How many other facilities like this exit in other nations?

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/03/08/under-secretary-victoria-nuland-admits-u-s-funded-biological-research-labs-exist-in-ukraine/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=under-secretary-victoria-nuland-admits-u-s-funded-biological-research-labs-exist-in-ukraine

[pep]

Interesting

 Volodymyr Zelensky—who is he really? Well, he is a comedian and former performing drag queen who was literally plucked out of nowhere to become the current president of Ukraine. Archbishop Carlo Vigano’, former Apostolic Nuncio in the United State for the Catholic Church and an highly informed observer of Eastern European cultural and political matters, offers this picture:

Zelensky’s performances as a drag queen are perfectly consistent with the LGBTQ ideology that is considered by his European sponsors as an indispensable requirement of the “reform” agenda that every country ought to embrace, along with gender equality, abortion and the green economy. No wonder Zelensky, a member of the WEF [World Economic Forum]  (here), was able to benefit from the support of Klaus Schwab and his allies [including George Soros] to come to power and ensure that the Great Reset would also be carried out in Ukraine…. In his homeland, many accuse him of having taken power away from the pro-Russian oligarchs not to give it to the Ukrainian people, but rather to strengthen his own interest group and at the same time remove his political adversaries.

Want to read more,
full story

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2022/03/no_author/fox-news-ukraine-and-the-onset-of-the-new-world-order/

[Rusty]

Donbas war has been going on since 2014. Separatist areas want to return to Mother Russia's control. Ukraine it's self has been under Russian control since the 1600's.