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TOOLS AND THE SHOP => ANTIQUE/COLLECTOR TOOLS/BOXES/HAND ONLY => Topic started by: J.A.F.E. on August 24, 2018, 11:21:47 PM

Title: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on August 24, 2018, 11:21:47 PM
One of my favorite threads at the old site was the 1/4 drive sets. I don't recall who the OP was and hope I'm not stepping on any toes by starting it new here but I'll get things rolling with my apologies.

This was my first set a Par-X 113-U 13 piece socket set. The Snap-on KRA-255 box was added later on. (Incidentally Snap-on did not count the cardboard box in the piece count.)

A set of 1/4 metric sockets followed shortly after.

Anyway this is the set as it is now - all the pieces are original to the set. I used it quite a bit at one time and still drag it out on occasion - I really like it.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1886/29313969957_b4cbc47c6a_c.jpg)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1850/29313965207_62b2477590_c.jpg)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1846/29313961087_3c22eaaaec_c.jpg)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1844/29313957097_6a726a16a1_c.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on August 24, 2018, 11:24:06 PM
This is the set as it originally came. It is a different set than in the previous post. I assembled the pieces mostly one at a time and was lucky to find the box thanks, to a member.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1897/43343384815_e20b1746f9_c.jpg)

Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Lookin4_67GalaxieConv on August 25, 2018, 12:18:08 AM
I'll bet that box is pretty darn hard to find!  :-\
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on August 25, 2018, 12:43:51 AM
It was just sheer luck.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Lookin4_67GalaxieConv on August 25, 2018, 11:27:52 AM
Speaking of shear luck.   :))
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on August 25, 2018, 11:30:01 AM
That is very nice - I always liked the PEXTO stuff.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on August 25, 2018, 11:34:13 AM
OK one more for now. This is 9/32 drive but I think it's fine in this thread. I got the ratchet - it was my first 9/32 piece. I then found the rest of this set at the swap some time later and it was as shown except it was missing the ratchet and the date code of the set and the ratchet all matched so it was like magic.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1898/29313599777_1093366e9f_c.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: jabberwoki on August 25, 2018, 11:41:42 AM
Hey Jaf, im sure Stormking would be ok if you wanted to keep the original title for this thread.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on August 25, 2018, 12:09:06 PM
He doesn't seem to have us yet.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: jabberwoki on August 25, 2018, 12:43:23 PM
I`ll hit him up
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on August 25, 2018, 01:42:21 PM
Yes please do.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: john k on August 25, 2018, 02:12:58 PM
I picked up this 1940s Craftsman 1/4 in. set to replace my dads which was lost.  Found some of the sockets were 9/32.   Bought the Thorsen on a whim at a thrift shop, is on standby. 
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: strik9 on August 25, 2018, 03:45:47 PM
A 1937 catalog 16 pc set with a few stand in drive tools. 

   Pieced together from bits from Bonneyman and J.A.F.E. collections with all matching logo sockets and the tommy bar.  Some parts still have the factory cosmolene on them.  Inside box like new and outside was bare rusty metal so I sprayed it blue.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on August 25, 2018, 04:38:05 PM
John K that ratchet is very desirable - it is Plomb made and not easy to find - very nice! I also have a similar Thorsen set I'll post up at some point.

Nice set Strik.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: mrbill on August 25, 2018, 07:34:05 PM
Here is a circa 1940 New Britain set that I have.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on August 25, 2018, 07:49:04 PM
I have seen the ratchets a few times but never the set. Very nice!

Those ratchets will outlast civilization I think.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on August 25, 2018, 09:51:40 PM
Plomb set.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on August 25, 2018, 10:03:14 PM
That's nice the driver still even has the paint band.

Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: DeadNutz on August 26, 2018, 02:22:26 PM
I have ended up with incomplete 1/4" sets in boxes but have never bought a new one in the box. Since a 9/32 set was shown here is my Craftsman midget set. This came in an old MAC MB65 box I bought. I am still looking for the C-95 6" extension.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Snaparxon on August 26, 2018, 02:45:32 PM
2 Snap on sets, one is 9/32 drive  the other 1/4" drive
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: goodfellow on August 26, 2018, 02:54:42 PM
1/4" -- I love vintage SK -- these sets were both in Metric and SAE

(http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/oo18/goodfellow_2004/PICT0550Medium.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on August 26, 2018, 03:24:45 PM
DeadNutz if I ever find the extension I will make sure you get it.

Snaparxon you look very well prepared.

GF do you have both metric and standard?
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: goodfellow on August 26, 2018, 03:26:19 PM

.....GF do you have both metric and standard?

Yes, I picked them up as a set back in the late 70's. Back then they were sold by my local "mom 'n pop" auto parts store 

Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on August 26, 2018, 03:44:42 PM
I well recall when you could get really quality tools at the mom and pop parts stores and just about all of them carried SK. But then you could get quality help and qulaity parts in those stores...
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on August 26, 2018, 04:55:16 PM
Husky 1/4 set. What attracted me to this was the New Briton made ratchet.I really like these ratchets and believe they are very high quality pieces.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1893/43343464565_9dbc586cbf_z.jpg)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1843/30382422508_9d211d0ce8_z.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: kwoswalt99 on August 26, 2018, 06:06:15 PM
Husky 1/4 set. What attracted me to this was the New Briton made ratchet.I really like these ratchets and believe they are very high quality pieces.

The Kilness was a great design.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Lookin4_67GalaxieConv on August 26, 2018, 11:46:14 PM
Here's mine, simple Craftsman.  I like the molded case, easy to see the socket sizes.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on August 27, 2018, 12:13:12 AM
Complete with coveted RHFT ratchet.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: goodfellow on August 27, 2018, 09:01:42 AM
Complete with coveted RHFT ratchet.
Complete with coveted RHFT ratchet.

+1 -- very nice set. That would be worth a lot -- prices for RHFT sets on ebay are getting ridiculous.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on August 27, 2018, 11:00:39 AM
I suppose you could call this a set. These are some Plomb drivers and sockets on a highly modified Plomb display board. I believe they are circa 1946 - 1948.

Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on August 27, 2018, 02:25:27 PM
I would call it a really nice set Cruiser and very unique. Where's that drool smiley when you need it.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on August 28, 2018, 03:06:40 AM
A nice little Thorsen set. Not sure if the box is original but the set is very nice looks hardly used.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1871/44249355141_e9de746508_z.jpg)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1883/43531850004_32c3456c91_z.jpg)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1878/44249030491_bd89e5c622_z.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on August 28, 2018, 07:34:01 AM
Awesome set there Steve. And yes, I do believe the box is original, the Thorsen sticker probably fell off sometime during its life.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Uncle Buck on August 28, 2018, 08:31:53 AM
The box and set are absolutely mates and original. I think I might even have a twin to that box squirreled away somewhere. Yup, only the underside lid label appears to be missing. I favor those little Thorson spinner handles myself.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on August 28, 2018, 02:41:55 PM
Man you guys have some real awesome sets.

How do you guys feel about a homegrown set with a homemade case ?
Because that's currently what I've got, I don't own a complete set of 1/4" drive tools which go together.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: goodfellow on August 28, 2018, 02:58:47 PM
Man you guys have some real awesome sets.

How do you guys feel about a homegrown set with a homemade case ?
Because that's currently what I've got, I don't own a complete set of 1/4" drive tools which go together.


Basic and "homegrown" stuff is cool -- gets the job done just as well as the fancy exclusive brands.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Uncle Buck on August 28, 2018, 03:21:22 PM
Man you guys have some real awesome sets.

How do you guys feel about a homegrown set with a homemade case ?
Because that's currently what I've got, I don't own a complete set of 1/4" drive tools which go together.


Basic and "homegrown" stuff is cool -- gets the job done just as well as the fancy exclusive brands.

Not to mention that is where most of us started out!
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on August 28, 2018, 04:22:00 PM
Here's my hodgpodge 1/4" set
(https://s6.postimg.cc/cy3hrhkhd/IMG_20180828_140214322.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/tyme05xil/)
(https://s6.postimg.cc/8q8pic62p/IMG_20180828_140339249.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/oohf8h0al/)
The case / tray is the top to an index card file I picked up for 50¢, it happened to be an absolutely perfect fit for the tray for my toolbox so all I had to do was make some quick deviders.

The G code Craftsman metric sockets are the only thing that wouldn't quality as vintage.
The indestro ratchet and sockets should, as should the V code Craftsman sliding T and the circle V Craftsman spinner handle.
If the spinner handle looks a bit strange it's because I compacted it to fit in the case, I removed the handle drilled in deeper and reassembled.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on August 28, 2018, 04:43:26 PM
That's a nice set you made for yourself and you should be proud. All good stuff you have there.

It's taken me years to put together all this crap. But I only started after I had the basics covered and as the interest presented.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on August 28, 2018, 04:54:10 PM
That's a nice set you made for yourself and you should be proud. All good stuff you have there.

It's taken me years to put together all this crap. But I only started after I had the basics covered and as the interest presented.
I need to locate a few more metric sockets and I'd like to come up with some better dividers if I don't find a better csse, but other than that it gets the job done pretty well.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on August 28, 2018, 05:11:19 PM
You'll add to it. A few more sockets, a universal, a couple more extensions. It comes in time.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on August 28, 2018, 06:13:23 PM
My weakness....1/4" drive socket sets...... ;D

Took me a while to complete this Stevens Walden set.

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8846_zpsylkllswr.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8848_zps1wjddx3w.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8847_zpsruuiefaz.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8849_zpsii0yommq.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8850_zpsvuoajaky.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8851_zpsunnznkvl.jpg)

The ridiculously large SW ratchet adapter isn't a part of the set. Even by itself, it's so big, there's no way it could ever fit inside the box.

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8852_zpsy9nusvjz.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8853_zpse36z2tgg.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8854_zpsobzpwr8u.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8855_zpsp98to3nw.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8856_zps24t3bcwm.jpg)

Nice balancing act...lol.   Obviously, way too much time on my hands.

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8857_zpsn8kihe3h.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8858_zpszyakfxzw.jpg)

Side by side comparison with a 1/4" Snappy adapter.

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8859_zps1cwa0u9f.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8860_zps1kj9ptkw.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8862_zps4nqrcrra.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on August 28, 2018, 06:26:02 PM
That is a really nice set. Some of that stuff must have been really hard to find - well done!
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: bonneyman on August 28, 2018, 06:37:32 PM
Man you guys have some real awesome sets.

How do you guys feel about a homegrown set with a homemade case ?
Because that's currently what I've got, I don't own a complete set of 1/4" drive tools which go together.


Basic and "homegrown" stuff is cool -- gets the job done just as well as the fancy exclusive brands.

Yeah, nuts and bolts aren't brand loyal!  :D
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on August 28, 2018, 08:06:39 PM
Man you guys have some real awesome sets.

How do you guys feel about a homegrown set with a homemade case ?
Because that's currently what I've got, I don't own a complete set of 1/4" drive tools which go together.


Basic and "homegrown" stuff is cool -- gets the job done just as well as the fancy exclusive brands.

Yeah, nuts and bolts aren't brand loyal!  :D
I was talking about a set compiled together with whatever you've got around, as in it's not really a set because it's multiple brands that don't go together.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on August 28, 2018, 08:09:17 PM
My weakness....1/4" drive socket sets...... ;D

Took me a while to complete this Stevens Walden set.

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8846_zpsylkllswr.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8848_zps1wjddx3w.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8847_zpsruuiefaz.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8849_zpsii0yommq.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8850_zpsvuoajaky.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8851_zpsunnznkvl.jpg)

The ridiculously large SW ratchet adapter isn't a part of the set. Even by itself, it's so big, there's no way it could ever fit inside the box.

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8852_zpsy9nusvjz.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8853_zpse36z2tgg.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8854_zpsobzpwr8u.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8855_zpsp98to3nw.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8856_zps24t3bcwm.jpg)

Nice balancing act...lol.   Obviously, way too much time on my hands.

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8857_zpsn8kihe3h.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8858_zpszyakfxzw.jpg)

Side by side comparison with a 1/4" Snappy adapter.

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8859_zps1cwa0u9f.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8860_zps1kj9ptkw.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8862_zps4nqrcrra.jpg)
That's an awesome comprehensive set that's pretty compact for what I'm sure it can tackle.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on August 28, 2018, 11:16:56 PM
hickory,  I’m pretty sure that this was a cheapie set back in the day, but probably would be OK for ocassional use by the average homeowner. 

Digging, your set....hodgepodge works!

JAFE and Cruiser.....your sets haven’t gone unnoticed... very cool...O0 O0
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on August 28, 2018, 11:43:27 PM
Vintage Williams socket box with mixed set of tools.

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8364_zpsykmy1olu.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8365_zpseur2odth.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8366_zpsm61irfrp.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8367_zpsfkl6tedr.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8368_zpsl4pia7rw.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8369_zpshiupyu7q.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8373_zpsned7ympd.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8374_zps6hb24sss.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8370_zpsnxnelixd.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8375_zpsnkjbi6it.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on August 28, 2018, 11:59:33 PM
That's very nice. I like the box a lot. Looks like you put together a really nice set.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on August 29, 2018, 12:22:18 AM
Two old Proto TAC sets.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on August 29, 2018, 12:26:09 AM
Two old Proto TAC sets.
Wow, that's something I've never seen before and my mind is blown by it's coolness.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on August 29, 2018, 01:20:06 AM
You don't see those everyday. You do have some unique stuff.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on August 29, 2018, 06:13:39 PM
My go to SAE 1/4 socket set.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on August 29, 2018, 07:04:49 PM
I do have some Plomb stuff but still trying to complete the sets.

Still need a few sockets and a couple pieces to complete this set.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1893/44249055931_5ec5ea62b3_z.jpg)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1871/30382409808_d6805f7c03_z.jpg)

Same box but crinkle finish. Had a pic of the outside but can't find it. I'll try to remember to take a new pic. Still shy a few pieces.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1870/42441765630_70da70f86c_z.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on August 29, 2018, 07:06:31 PM
This was all put together one piece at a time starting with the box.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1883/43531860664_0028ab6499_z.jpg)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1863/43343434635_d8bf6d654e_z.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on August 29, 2018, 07:10:23 PM
This was a present from BoredMechanic he got in Germany.  :)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1857/44200630872_8a4be2fc23_z.jpg)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1866/44200628482_dfd27d7451_z.jpg)

Has a bit socket with magnet for bit retention.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1879/29313586587_bf02b4785c_z.jpg)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1894/43343391375_851fa633fd_z.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on August 29, 2018, 07:53:19 PM
Those are some mighty fine sets there Steve. The crinkle Plomb is stunning and looks complete to me.At least that's how the catalogs show it. What year is is it? Looks like pre-war.    8)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on August 29, 2018, 08:01:11 PM
Thanks!

No idea on age. I'll see if I can date some of the pieces. Were the boxes date coded somehow?
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on August 29, 2018, 08:30:12 PM
I like that toolcraft set, usually the mini ones are bit drivers but it's nice that they saw this one as a standard 1/4" drive ratchet first and foremost.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on August 29, 2018, 08:33:02 PM
There should be a number on the pieces. like a 0 or a 1 or a 9....something like that. Plomb stopped numbering after 1942 and used letters during the war years. They never put a date on the boxes, but I'd guess your box is 1939 thru the end of 1941. After that, the boxes were a war time green color until around the end of 1945.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: DeadNutz on August 29, 2018, 09:42:41 PM
Great stuff Cruiser and J.A.F.E. and I think I recognize that long Plomb 1/4 extension.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: skfarmer on August 29, 2018, 10:04:07 PM
Here's my hodgpodge 1/4" set
(https://s6.postimg.cc/cy3hrhkhd/IMG_20180828_140214322.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/tyme05xil/)
(https://s6.postimg.cc/8q8pic62p/IMG_20180828_140339249.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/oohf8h0al/)
The case / tray is the top to an index card file I picked up for 50¢, it happened to be an absolutely perfect fit for the tray for my toolbox so all I had to do was make some quick deviders.

The G code Craftsman metric sockets are the only thing that wouldn't quality as vintage.
The indestro ratchet and sockets should, as should the V code Craftsman sliding T and the circle V Craftsman spinner handle.
If the spinner handle looks a bit strange it's because I compacted it to fit in the case, I removed the handle drilled in deeper and reassembled.
very nice useable set you got there.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on August 29, 2018, 10:28:05 PM
... I think I recognize that long Plomb 1/4 extension.

I believe you are correct.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on August 29, 2018, 10:29:16 PM
Some very nice sets being posted. That krinkle red Plomb box is one of the nicest I’ve seen. The label even looks fresh.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on August 29, 2018, 10:43:43 PM
New Britain

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_9470_zps8wuwcppo.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_9472_zps05go2qbq.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_9483_zpsvgulyfp5.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_9475_zpsl9pwjqge.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_9477_zpsidlrblru.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_9476_zpsnah0dhvj.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_9481_zpsfyussmmy.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_9479_zpsimn0oaiq.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_9482_zpsstll7ayc.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on August 29, 2018, 10:54:48 PM
Thanks for the info Cruiser.

Both of the red Plombs came from the Old Tool Swap in Culver City although a long time apart.

CRTDI that New Britain set is really nice. Where's the thumbs up smiley when we need it?
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on August 29, 2018, 11:13:21 PM
Another New Britain manufactured 1/4" set.  (New Britain seemed to have made 1/4” drive sets for a bunch of different companies

Husky

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8812_zpsukqatyp5.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8813_zpse3pxxzw3.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8814_zpsldpdfa6u.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8815_zps4cawoboe.jpg)

Still looking for the correct style ratchet. This one is a Duro Chrome.

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8822_zpsnlp49ax4.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8821_zpslwfmjpgm.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8817_zpsylxskasp.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8818_zps1ze747ax.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8819_zpsaaiomuhh.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8820_zpsiichbaue.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on August 29, 2018, 11:14:32 PM
Awesome set, CRTDI. Any idea on the date of manufacture?
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on August 29, 2018, 11:19:06 PM
That is a nice set. Do you have a pic of the correct ratchet? Is it the same as in post 24?
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on August 29, 2018, 11:32:47 PM
Cruiser and JAFE, I’m not sure of the actual date period of this set. I’m guessing around mid to late 70s.

No pic, but also guessing that the ratchet should be the same as yours JAFE.  Any thoughts on the age of your set?
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on August 30, 2018, 12:42:42 AM
Just as a WAG I am thinking mine is early 60's. One reason is the card lists "New Britain Machine Co, New Britain, Conn". ZIP codes along with two letter state abbreviations came in in 1963 so I'm thinking that would be the cutoff for the earlier style address. The Kilness patent was late 50's but wasn't made till 60 or so it had to be between those dates in my logic.

Yours is similar but lists USA on the label and the company is Husky Tool Division so maybe a bit later. But the label looks like foil which says more 70's and disco look even though there is no ZIP and two letter state abbreviation so I'm sort of floundering.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on August 30, 2018, 01:40:00 PM
Here's my hodgpodge 1/4" set
(https://s6.postimg.cc/cy3hrhkhd/IMG_20180828_140214322.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/tyme05xil/)
(https://s6.postimg.cc/8q8pic62p/IMG_20180828_140339249.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/oohf8h0al/)
The case / tray is the top to an index card file I picked up for 50¢, it happened to be an absolutely perfect fit for the tray for my toolbox so all I had to do was make some quick deviders.

The G code Craftsman metric sockets are the only thing that wouldn't quality as vintage.
The indestro ratchet and sockets should, as should the V code Craftsman sliding T and the circle V Craftsman spinner handle.
If the spinner handle looks a bit strange it's because I compacted it to fit in the case, I removed the handle drilled in deeper and reassembled.
very nice useable set you got there.
Thanks.

Btw some really awesome sets are being posted, and the boxes alone are making me envious.
I don't know why but I really want my set to be in a nice professional looking box with a top so I can close it up if I ever need to take just it along.
I've got something but it's from a crappy 80's western auto JAPAN set I was given as a kid .
It's also got rounded corners making it not so easy to make dividers for.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Uncle Buck on August 30, 2018, 01:48:03 PM
Here's my hodgpodge 1/4" set
(https://s6.postimg.cc/cy3hrhkhd/IMG_20180828_140214322.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/tyme05xil/)
(https://s6.postimg.cc/8q8pic62p/IMG_20180828_140339249.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/oohf8h0al/)
The case / tray is the top to an index card file I picked up for 50¢, it happened to be an absolutely perfect fit for the tray for my toolbox so all I had to do was make some quick deviders.

The G code Craftsman metric sockets are the only thing that wouldn't quality as vintage.
The indestro ratchet and sockets should, as should the V code Craftsman sliding T and the circle V Craftsman spinner handle.
If the spinner handle looks a bit strange it's because I compacted it to fit in the case, I removed the handle drilled in deeper and reassembled.
very nice useable set you got there.
Thanks.

Btw some really awesome sets are being posted, and the boxes alone are making me envious.
I don't know why but I really want my set to be in a nice professional looking box with a top so I can close it up if I ever need to take just it along.
I've got something but it's from a crappy 80's western auto JAPAN set I was given as a kid .
It's also got rounded corners making it not so easy to make dividers for.

Do this, start looking around at flea mkts and second hand shops and pawn shops for a 1/4" set box. Every so often they pop up. Transfer your set contents into any brand of commercial box and honestly, your set will look no different than any of the others posted here. Certainly your set will do everything any of the sets shown will do. The only thing that looks different to me is the box. Get a different box and you will see what I mean. Your set will look just like every other set in this thread.  ;)

Sometimes it is amazing the difference you will feel about a set simply due to how it is stored.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: strik9 on August 30, 2018, 02:20:21 PM
Hick, if you have some basic tools like a tin snips, sharp pointy scribe, straight edge like item, block of wood and wp pliers you can MAKE  a box to your own design.

Oh, a hammer and tape measure are useful too.

  You will need those tools and a bit of tin to practice on then the one adequate to make your tin.

   I am not big on precise but I can and did make lots of tins barely measuring stuff.  Six of them are in the shop owned by my current boss.  Solid as a brick in the better ones.

If you want a step by step pictorial guide scrape up some old tin and prepare the tools, then say go. 

  I am prepared now.

  Note I did not say press break and Beverely shear which would make it easier but it would be a 5 grand socket tin to tool up.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on August 30, 2018, 02:44:20 PM
Here's my hodgpodge 1/4" set
(https://s6.postimg.cc/cy3hrhkhd/IMG_20180828_140214322.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/tyme05xil/)
(https://s6.postimg.cc/8q8pic62p/IMG_20180828_140339249.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/oohf8h0al/)
The case / tray is the top to an index card file I picked up for 50¢, it happened to be an absolutely perfect fit for the tray for my toolbox so all I had to do was make some quick deviders.

The G code Craftsman metric sockets are the only thing that wouldn't quality as vintage.
The indestro ratchet and sockets should, as should the V code Craftsman sliding T and the circle V Craftsman spinner handle.
If the spinner handle looks a bit strange it's because I compacted it to fit in the case, I removed the handle drilled in deeper and reassembled.
very nice useable set you got there.
Thanks.

Btw some really awesome sets are being posted, and the boxes alone are making me envious.
I don't know why but I really want my set to be in a nice professional looking box with a top so I can close it up if I ever need to take just it along.
I've got something but it's from a crappy 80's western auto JAPAN set I was given as a kid .
It's also got rounded corners making it not so easy to make dividers for.

Do this, start looking around at flea mkts and second hand shops and pawn shops for a 1/4" set box. Every so often they pop up. Transfer your set contents into any brand of commercial box and honestly, your set will look no different than any of the others posted here. Certainly your set will do everything any of the sets shown will do. The only thing that looks different to me is the box. Get a different box and you will see what I mean. Your set will look just like every other set in this thread.  ;)

Sometimes it is amazing the difference you will feel about a set simply due to how it is stored.
It took me enough looking to eventually find that index card box I made this from, but that was when just the ratchet and sockets were my goal.
I'll definitely keep looking and eventually find something I hope.
This is the kind of box I want.
(https://s6.postimg.cc/jjugfcszl/ken5828800k_04-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/qztq15got/)
( I've seen similar sets in this box for $25, but its too bad they don't sell just the box for $5 )
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on August 30, 2018, 10:24:04 PM
A couple of Brazil sets.

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/IMG_1241_zpsirg78m5z.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/IMG_1242_zpszqlhleyb.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/IMG_1243_zpse3vsitnd.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/IMG_1244_zpsuuqw241j.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/IMG_1245_zpsp81kw17z.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/IMG_1246_zpscvm0ejo7.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/IMG_1247_zps0en9y10q.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/IMG_1248_zpsfid0ajxa.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/IMG_1249_zpsb46t58by.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/IMG_1250_zpsyxpyggs0.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/IMG_1251_zpsu6a6ot4s.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/IMG_1252_zpsd0ql69ca.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/IMG_1254_zpsnzugerdb.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/IMG_1255_zpshci4nali.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on August 30, 2018, 10:36:31 PM
The Brazil sets are really cool. I really like the crinkle finish boh.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on August 30, 2018, 10:47:31 PM
Those are cool, I've never heard of that company before either.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on August 31, 2018, 12:00:00 AM
Brazil was made by SK as a companion line.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on August 31, 2018, 12:42:49 AM
Brazil was made by SK as a companion line.
Interesting, I learn something new everyday.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on September 01, 2018, 09:38:21 PM
Blackhawk 19ND "Nuggies" set.

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Nuggies/IMG_7024_zps82163491.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Nuggies/9c00e8d2-d1d3-4ab6-aef1-611e75e4448f_zps052e2247.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Nuggies/IMG_7027_zpsb9853ced.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Nuggies/4a0bfcf2-9558-4479-9a9a-e97c74720304_zps16766b1a.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Nuggies/325f1b0d-073b-4083-8379-9b8bdec0924e_zpsc6618710.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Nuggies/IMG_7035_zpsb726d357.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Nuggies/Nuggie2_zps6ee6fd15.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on September 01, 2018, 09:49:16 PM
I think that this 9/32" drive set might have originally started out as an M-57 designated set due to the inclusion of the carb sockets. There is another carb socket in this set, but for some reason it was in my pocket when I took the pics... ::)

1932 catalog:

http://collectingsnapon.com/catalogs/catalogs.php?loggedin=0&catalogPage=256 (http://collectingsnapon.com/catalogs/catalogs.php?loggedin=0&catalogPage=256)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Snap-On%20Box%20Pics/IMG_8536_zpsihqgwkgp.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Snap-On%20Box%20Pics/IMG_8537_zpsdx2kn0ig.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Snap-On%20Box%20Pics/IMG_8538_zps4mpnwm1i.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Snap-On%20Box%20Pics/IMG_8539_zpsukunjcin.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Snap-On%20Box%20Pics/IMG_8542_zps0ar394je.jpg)

I think for its age it's in pretty decent shape, but the set is missing a few pieces and the T-handle has a freakish break. The cool little ratchet has a '32 date code and all of the other pieces have '31 date codes.

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Snap-On%20Box%20Pics/IMG_8543_zpsamc1isvs.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Snap-On%20Box%20Pics/IMG_8544_zpsogywzsjb.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Snap-On%20Box%20Pics/IMG_8545_zpsnv3lburj.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Snap-On%20Box%20Pics/IMG_8546_zpsotxzjcmu.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Snap-On%20Box%20Pics/IMG_8548_zpsncewpdmo.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Snap-On%20Box%20Pics/IMG_8551_zpsxksi894l.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Snap-On%20Box%20Pics/IMG_8549_zpsupf1c5db.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Snap-On%20Box%20Pics/IMG_8550_zpshdo5s9db.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on September 01, 2018, 11:18:13 PM
I think that this 9/32" drive set might have originally started out as an M-57 designated set due to the inclusion of the carb sockets. There is another carb socket in this set, but for some reason it was in my pocket when I took the pics... ::)

1932 catalog:

http://collectingsnapon.com/catalogs/catalogs.php?loggedin=0&catalogPage=256 (http://collectingsnapon.com/catalogs/catalogs.php?loggedin=0&catalogPage=256)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Snap-On%20Box%20Pics/IMG_8536_zpsihqgwkgp.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Snap-On%20Box%20Pics/IMG_8537_zpsdx2kn0ig.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Snap-On%20Box%20Pics/IMG_8538_zps4mpnwm1i.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Snap-On%20Box%20Pics/IMG_8539_zpsukunjcin.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Snap-On%20Box%20Pics/IMG_8542_zps0ar394je.jpg)

I think for its age it's in pretty decent shape, but the set is missing a few pieces and the T-handle has a freakish break. The cool little ratchet has a '32 date code and all of the other pieces have '31 date codes.

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Snap-On%20Box%20Pics/IMG_8543_zpsamc1isvs.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Snap-On%20Box%20Pics/IMG_8544_zpsogywzsjb.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Snap-On%20Box%20Pics/IMG_8545_zpsnv3lburj.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Snap-On%20Box%20Pics/IMG_8546_zpsotxzjcmu.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Snap-On%20Box%20Pics/IMG_8548_zpsncewpdmo.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Snap-On%20Box%20Pics/IMG_8551_zpsxksi894l.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Snap-On%20Box%20Pics/IMG_8549_zpsupf1c5db.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Snap-On%20Box%20Pics/IMG_8550_zpshdo5s9db.jpg)
Real nice.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on September 02, 2018, 01:28:35 PM
1/4 set by Fleet Tools. They were a subsidiary of Proto and were their economy brand. They later became Challenger Tools.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on September 02, 2018, 04:01:39 PM
That Fleet set is nice. Are any of the pieces actually marked as Fleet?
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on September 02, 2018, 04:13:21 PM
Hi CRTDI - the only tool marked “Fleet” is the ratchet. All the others are only marked with a number and “Alloy”. But the reason I believe it’s an original set is that the socket numbers are sequential with the sizes up to 7/16.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on September 02, 2018, 04:24:12 PM
CRTDI - you are the King of 1/4 socket sets. I am but, your humble vassal my liege. 👍
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on September 02, 2018, 05:12:34 PM
CRTDI - you are the King of 1/4 socket sets. I am but, your humble vassal my liege. 👍


 :)) :)) :))
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Snaparxon on September 02, 2018, 05:21:39 PM
CRTDI - you are the King of 1/4 socket sets. I am but, your humble vassal my liege. 👍

Hey Cruiser, is that a thumbs up or a pile of dog crap :-\ I don't have that one in my smiley selection
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on September 02, 2018, 05:28:50 PM
It’s a thumbs up my friend.     ^-^
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Uncle Buck on September 03, 2018, 12:02:51 AM
Through the years I have seen and owned a number of tools bearing the Fleet name.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on September 03, 2018, 06:47:10 AM
Old P&C set.

Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on September 03, 2018, 09:53:45 AM
That's a nice one. Jabber will like that one a lot.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on September 03, 2018, 03:39:43 PM
Another Fleet set circa early 1950’s.

Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on September 03, 2018, 03:47:21 PM
One of my all time favorite 1/4 sets. A large =v= series with lots of goodies. The =v= series is my favorite because the tools were high quality at an affordable price.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on September 03, 2018, 03:49:26 PM
One of my all time favorite 1/4 sets. A large =v= series with lots of goodies. The =v= series is my favorite because the tools were high quality at an affordable price.
I love my V code sliding T, it seems like a very well made tool.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on September 03, 2018, 03:56:37 PM
Hi CRTDI - the only tool marked “Fleet” is the ratchet. All the others are only marked with a number and “Alloy”. But the reason I believe it’s an original set is that the socket numbers are sequential with the sizes up to 7/16.

I have some Fleet stuff with only the "P-" prefixed part numbers as well. I assumed this denoted Penens, but I'm really not sure.

CRTDI - you are the King of 1/4 socket sets. I am but, your humble vassal my liege. 👍

Cruiser, Thanks!  I got nothing on you, your tool collections are simply amazing.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on September 03, 2018, 03:57:41 PM
Another Fleet set! Yiipes! That is awesme and looks ion great shape.

I have not seen the Craftsman before it looks to be a complete assortment to have.

I have the same magnetic inserts. Don't use them too often but I like having them.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on September 03, 2018, 04:19:10 PM
Hi CRTDI - the only tool marked “Fleet” is the ratchet. All the others are only marked with a number and “Alloy”. But the reason I believe it’s an original set is that the socket numbers are sequential with the sizes up to 7/16.

I have some Fleet stuff with only the "P-" prefixed part numbers as well. I assumed this denoted Penens, but I'm really not sure.

CRTDI - you are the King of 1/4 socket sets. I am but, your humble vassal my liege. 👍

Cruiser, Thanks!  I got nothing on you, your tool collections are simply amazing.


CRTDI - I believe you are right on the “P” stamp. I think Penens was the mother company and Fleet was simply a brand name. To make matters more confusing, check out this 50’s Challenger set.

Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on September 03, 2018, 04:23:33 PM
Yep, I've seen that too...just confusing as hell.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on September 03, 2018, 04:26:08 PM
Matco set...maybe 1980s vintage?

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Small%20Mac%20Box/IMG_9420_zpsa5fe9uxr.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Small%20Mac%20Box/IMG_9421_zpsdgvl8i0v.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Small%20Mac%20Box/IMG_9422_zpsuyffs7mj.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Small%20Mac%20Box/IMG_9423_zpsbaknl4qg.jpg)

The Stevens Walden ratchet adapter resides here since this is the only 1/4" box I own that has enough space to accommodate it.
(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Small%20Mac%20Box/IMG_9424_zpsnytwvofk.jpg)

With the exception of the ratchet adapter and one of the extensions, this set contains all Matco pieces with a mix of S.A.E. and metric sizes.
(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Small%20Mac%20Box/IMG_9425_zpswfxrbojg.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Small%20Mac%20Box/IMG_9426_zpssoto0ozs.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Small%20Mac%20Box/IMG_9428_zps8xqeechm.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Small%20Mac%20Box/IMG_9430_zpsbx79g5hp.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Small%20Mac%20Box/IMG_9431_zpsmiemlns4.jpg)

I really like the ratchet in this set. Nice fine tooth action and a detent positioned flex head. I believed it's sourced from Wright.
(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Small%20Mac%20Box/IMG_9429_zps6vom5zqi.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on September 03, 2018, 04:53:52 PM
Beautiful!!!
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: DeadNutz on September 03, 2018, 04:57:12 PM
I like that ratchet and stubby spinner. Heck, I like everything including the box. 8)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Snaparxon on September 03, 2018, 05:30:49 PM
Awesome Matco set. Not something you see everyday 8)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on September 03, 2018, 06:06:26 PM
Hi CRTDI - the only tool marked “Fleet” is the ratchet. All the others are only marked with a number and “Alloy”. But the reason I believe it’s an original set is that the socket numbers are sequential with the sizes up to 7/16.

I have some Fleet stuff with only the "P-" prefixed part numbers as well. I assumed this denoted Penens, but I'm really not sure.

CRTDI - you are the King of 1/4 socket sets. I am but, your humble vassal my liege. 👍

Cruiser, Thanks!  I got nothing on you, your tool collections are simply amazing.


CRTDI - I believe you are right on the “P” stamp. I think Penens was the mother company and Fleet was simply a brand name. To make matters more confusing, check out this 50’s Challenger set.
I love the color on that Challenger box.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on September 03, 2018, 06:55:42 PM
The ratchet to me is the star of that set and I really like the set.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on September 03, 2018, 11:30:56 PM
The ratchet to me is the star of that set and I really like the set.

I quite like the ratchet as well, seems like a solid built piece. Matco/Wright produced a matching style breaker bar handle that I haven’t been able to find... :-[
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on September 03, 2018, 11:38:56 PM
I've never seen the BB but I have the ratchet branded Wright. I like it a great deal.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: PowderKeg on September 04, 2018, 01:54:45 PM
Brazil was made by SK as a companion line.

Didn't know that either - do you know if SK branded a ratchet for Brazil too? 
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on September 04, 2018, 02:12:32 PM
...- do you know if SK branded a ratchet for Brazil too?

I seem to recall seeing a Brazil branded set with ratchet on the old site but I'm not positive.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on September 05, 2018, 12:31:29 AM
This particular Herbrand set was a bit of a mystery to me. I figured this was just a hodgepodge of 1/4" pieces, carburetor tools and a big wrench... :(
After a little research though, I was surprised to find that this is actually Herbrand’s version of a carburetor tool set.

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Herbrand%20Set/IMG_8235_zpsu0ghn2vn.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Herbrand%20Set/IMG_8236_zpsi5iwzrsg.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Herbrand%20Set/IMG_8237_zpspgilar9v.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Herbrand%20Set/IMG_8239_zpsqott8rvj.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Herbrand%20Set/IMG_8240_zps1x2j73go.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Herbrand%20Set/IMG_8241_zpsbet4g3su.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Herbrand%20Set/IMG_8242_zpsruotazyd.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Herbrand%20Set/IMG_8243_zpssnh3q7kf.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Herbrand%20Set/IMG_8244_zpssxheut5u.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Herbrand%20Set/IMG_8245_zpsxnnumhv4.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Herbrand%20Set/IMG_8246_zps5gb5fbgc.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Herbrand%20Set/IMG_8247_zpswwcrcilx.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Herbrand%20Set/Herbrand%20Carb%20Set_zpsmr47q09z.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on September 05, 2018, 12:39:01 AM
That is outstanding. Must have been someones pride and joy for sure.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on September 05, 2018, 01:10:41 AM
That herbrand ratchet is beautiful.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: skfarmer on September 05, 2018, 07:57:06 AM
holy cow, looks like new!
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on September 05, 2018, 02:35:02 PM
Many thanks for all of the nice comments. I do like to share these sets with like minded people that can appreciate them for what they are.

It’s also very nice to see what others have to share, wether it’s a collector set or a true working set makes no difference. The evolution of these socket sets with all the different manufacturers is quite interesting to me.

My apologies to everybody here for my “over-posting” on this thread. After the great Photo Bucket debacle, the disappearance of original GG site and a recent personal computer crash, I’ve been trying to recover what I can and repost here.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on September 05, 2018, 03:17:48 PM
You are not overposting - very far from it. It is great to see what is out there and to see some traffic here and I for one am appreciative for others sharing their pix. The crash of the site left a big void and it's good to see stuff being brought back.

So keep on posting!
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on September 05, 2018, 04:01:54 PM
Many thanks for all of the nice comments. I do like to share these sets with like minded people that can appreciate them for what they are.

It’s also very nice to see what others have to share, wether it’s a collector set or a true working set makes no difference. The evolution of these socket sets with all the different manufacturers is quite interesting to me.

My apologies to everybody here for my “over-posting” on this thread. After the great Photo Bucket debacle, the disappearance of original GG site and a recent personal computer crash, I’ve been trying to recover what I can and repost here.
We love seeing these awesome tools, you're definitely not over posting.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Uncle Buck on September 05, 2018, 08:17:18 PM
There are some stunning sets that have been shared here.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Davethorik on September 08, 2018, 02:19:24 PM
Not as nice as crtdi's...lol...
But I recently snagged this Master Mechanic USA 1/4 set.
Non-QR RHFT, female drive spinner.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on September 08, 2018, 03:01:11 PM
Not as nice as crtdi's...lol...
But I recently snagged this Master Mechanic USA 1/4 set.
Non-QR RHFT, female drive spinner.
Looks like a nice set, I'm not I to bulky blow mould cases but overall it's a nice set.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on September 08, 2018, 03:17:00 PM
Nice set.

I'm with you not a big fan of QR.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Davethorik on September 08, 2018, 03:27:40 PM
Hickory- the case is surprisingly solid* despite the bulk.
*=the latch is one of the plain plastic belt buckle type. It has a white bend line and will fracture in the future.

J.A.F.E.- I like the RHFT best in 1/4. I had a Craftsman but gave it to a friend, also have an Allen brand. Both Cman and Allen are QR. I use it if it's there but, majority of my rats are non-QR. ;D
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on September 08, 2018, 06:54:10 PM
Dave,

Your Master Mechanic set appears to be Easco sourced. If so, should be a quality set..nice find!
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on September 08, 2018, 07:25:38 PM
Action set.

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/IMG_1184_zps3urp1jdu.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/IMG_1185_zpshbhhq4nx.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/IMG_1186_zpsmtradl5v.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/IMG_1188_zpsemyulqwa.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/IMG_1189_zpsft5xlogo.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/IMG_1190_zpslhdukysd.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/IMG_1191_zpsbn0p9mqg.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/IMG_1192_zpscebi11jg.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/IMG_1193_zpsk6ktkmfx.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/IMG_1194_zpse3njrgpz.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/IMG_1195_zpsiaz8qjti.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/IMG_1196_zpskv65sc60.jpg)

Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on September 08, 2018, 07:33:21 PM
Very nice. Was there a connection between Action and Thorsen? The ratchets look similar.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on September 08, 2018, 07:52:27 PM
Very nice. Was there a connection between Action and Thorsen? The ratchets look similar.
AA lists them as a budget line Thorsen introduced in 1957.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Davethorik on September 08, 2018, 08:17:42 PM
Dave,

Your Master Mechanic set appears to be Easco sourced. If so, should be a quality set..nice find!

Crtdi- my humble thanks, you have many nice sets! ^-^

I like the 1/4" best of the RHFT. The 4 current other RHFT I have, plus two I gave away in the past, were all QR.

The set is kinda odd. 3 largest sockets have detents, spinner does on male end but not female, extensions have a hole drilled in 1 side to be a detent. I figured the set to be 80s. Spinner doesn't have a thru-shank but 2 metal pieces like old Plomb spinners.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on September 09, 2018, 05:33:11 PM
A little Bon E Con set.

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8865_zpshmmaliac.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8864_zpsmqgdnntc.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8867_zpskjn30ibu.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8868_zpsvufn542p.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8870_zpsuzcqz0g8.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8874_zpsggjahvzy.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8871_zpsdave1ate.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8873_zpsvnokwyyp.jpg)

A very Herbrandish looking ratchet.... :o  A bit of a rough factory finish, but it's got a butter smooth action.
(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8872_zpsn79ijfo0.jpg)


(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8876_zpshc4t2jsv.jpg)

A comparison pic with an early model Herbrand ratchet. The Herbrand has a vertical
movement shift selector where as the Bon E Con has a horizontal movement shift selector.
(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8879_zpss1s2cubu.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8880_zpsfej5yy0m.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8881_zpsommjexjx.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8882_zpser069knw.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: kwoswalt99 on September 09, 2018, 06:09:03 PM
I think that is a Herbrand rat.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Snaparxon on September 09, 2018, 06:16:16 PM
Didn't Bonney and Herbrand get absorbed in to the Triangle Corporation?
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on September 09, 2018, 07:14:09 PM
Didn't Bonney and Herbrand get absorbed in to the Triangle Corporation?
I was thinking Bon-e-con probably had to be a Bonney economy line, and if they merged with herbrand then my assumption could be correct.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: AnsonJ on September 10, 2018, 01:07:19 AM
Wright Allied Set:

I bought this set brand new in the late 80s at Mill's Fleet Farm in Antigo Wisconsin.  I forget what I paid for it, but this is a really nice little 1/4" set

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1861/29649559277_cba5d71bfd_k.jpg)

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1850/43868945424_3eaff3af69_k.jpg)

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1848/29649561827_3ecc1db5b5_k.jpg)

Anson
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on September 10, 2018, 01:12:19 AM
Quite a nice set.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Uncle Buck on September 10, 2018, 09:30:30 AM
Not as nice as crtdi's...lol...
But I recently snagged this Master Mechanic USA 1/4 set.
Non-QR RHFT, female drive spinner.

I worked for True value during the years those sets were sold. I bought by pop a basic 3/8" drive set very much like that one in a blow molded case. Some years later I found him a larger 3/8" metal box that was made to hold a lot of extras like deep sockets, more extensions and a break bar and t handle. Sets like the one shown were great quality, made by Easco at the time and peer to Craftsman of that era too. Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Uncle Buck on September 10, 2018, 09:34:40 AM
Wright Allied Set:

I bought this set brand new in the late 80s at Mill's Fleet Farm in Antigo Wisconsin.  I forget what I paid for it, but this is a really nice little 1/4" set

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1861/29649559277_cba5d71bfd_k.jpg)

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1850/43868945424_3eaff3af69_k.jpg)

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1848/29649561827_3ecc1db5b5_k.jpg)

Anson

Harry Epstein's some 25 or so years ago sold a set that was a twin to the Wright set and branded Cougar. I guess their economy line, but all the quality was the same for them as well. Pop used the crap out of that little Cougar set and got a lot of use from it. 
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on September 10, 2018, 01:19:54 PM
sweet set there, UB.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Uncle Buck on September 10, 2018, 07:52:02 PM
sweet set there, UB.

Not my set!  :)) :)) :))
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: PowderKeg on September 10, 2018, 09:35:01 PM
Didn't Bonney and Herbrand get absorbed in to the Triangle Corporation?
I was thinking Bon-e-con probably had to be a Bonney economy line, and if they merged with herbrand then my assumption could be correct.

From what little I've seen so far, that 1/4" Bon-e-con (and an identical Bonney ratchet) appeared in catalogs with 3/8" and 1/2" versions of the ratchet design below (top one), @/after Triangle acquired Herbrand to go along with Bonney.  I've yet to see a 1/4" version of this ratchet design, IMHO the poorest Bonney (and several other Triangle brands) ever designed.  The ultimate (and last) Bonney/Triangle design followed not long after, the big and reliable double pawl round head (bottom one).

A lot of fantastic sets here!  I've got a few I haven't seen posted yet, will have to try and find what box they got stuffed into, then find the ratchet in the ratchet boxes...



Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on September 11, 2018, 12:44:44 AM
Agreed, most of the Triangle era stuff is not so nice.. :'(
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on September 11, 2018, 12:48:15 AM
A Craftsman 1/4" BE set with an elusive amber handled breaker bar.

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/Stromberg%20Plomb/IMG_0840_zpsjqs9epjr.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/Stromberg%20Plomb/IMG_0841_zpsjlwcw8qy.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/Stromberg%20Plomb/IMG_0842_zpselvmbnuh.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/Stromberg%20Plomb/IMG_0843_zpsfvtifk9k.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/Stromberg%20Plomb/IMG_0844_zps4ovxnmre.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/Stromberg%20Plomb/IMG_0845_zpsnfxnms88.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/Stromberg%20Plomb/IMG_0846_zpsmqeeqgom.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/Stromberg%20Plomb/IMG_0847_zpsaosqtfmm.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/Stromberg%20Plomb/IMG_0848_zps9wszxlod.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on September 11, 2018, 01:45:56 AM
Wow just wow. That set is like new. The amber handles are almost always cracked or dark or both and the blue bands gone. That is a huge score.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: PowderKeg on September 11, 2018, 07:47:49 AM
Wow just wow. That set is like new. The amber handles are almost always cracked or dark or both and the blue bands gone. That is a huge score.

Very cool!  I didn't know there were supposed to be blue bands on those handles.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on September 11, 2018, 11:35:01 PM
At the moment this is the only amber handle piece that I have. Sure would be nice to score a matching amber handled plug ratchet... O:-)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on September 11, 2018, 11:50:41 PM
Another Thorsen cousin, Giller.

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/IMG_1209_zpszdwmt8ug.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/IMG_1210_zpsfchgwgl2.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/IMG_1211_zps3mep2mnn.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/IMG_1212_zpsi1bcrfhu.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/IMG_1213_zps052fbkd2.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/IMG_1214_zpsvno2ionw.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/IMG_1215_zps2wb8h20a.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/IMG_1216_zpsilartjwi.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on September 12, 2018, 12:01:03 AM
Another Thorsen cousin, Giller.

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/IMG_1209_zpszdwmt8ug.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/IMG_1210_zpsfchgwgl2.jpg)

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(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/IMG_1213_zps052fbkd2.jpg)

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(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/IMG_1216_zpsilartjwi.jpg)
I wasn't sure if I'd want a spinner handle, breaker bar, and sliding T in my set but seeing this confirms that I'll have to include all of it.
Now I've just gotta find a universal and I'll be all set  ;D

Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on September 12, 2018, 12:17:34 AM
The Giller set is pristine. Nice example looks never used.

Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Snaparxon on September 12, 2018, 07:38:23 AM
The Giller set is pristine. Nice example looks never used.

Well it was probably government surplus :))
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: skfarmer on September 12, 2018, 08:43:23 AM
The Giller set is pristine. Nice example looks never used.

Well it was probably government surplus :))
or stolen from centerpunch.......
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on September 12, 2018, 12:40:06 PM

or stolen from centerpunch.......

Ay carumba!
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on September 13, 2018, 01:10:10 AM
Vintage Bonney. My guess is that this set is from the late 50s.

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Vintage%20sockets/IMG_6787_zpsca2a94c3.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Vintage%20sockets/IMG_6790_zps43db88ff.jpg)

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(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Vintage%20sockets/IMG_6804_zpscfd695e7.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Vintage%20sockets/IMG_6808_zpsbd2e7c7a.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Vintage%20sockets/IMG_6805_zpsbc375cf5.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Vintage%20sockets/IMG_6806_zps49b3b492.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on September 13, 2018, 01:15:23 AM
Another nice one. Did you do the cork?
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on September 13, 2018, 01:35:57 PM
Another nice one. Did you do the cork?

Thanks! Yep, put a cork liner in this one. The lower interior of the box was in nice shape, but I like the look of cork in some of the older sets.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on September 13, 2018, 05:05:35 PM
The cork does look right. It was the material used back in the day if someone bothered to line the drawers.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on September 13, 2018, 05:47:11 PM
Here's the current state of my 1/4" set courtesy of J.A.F.E.
He sent me this nice Challenger box and a Thorsen Action box with the little breaker bar and a few sockets. That box I'm working on and will have as a more basic craftsman set out in the garage.

(https://s8.postimg.cc/4qokpgdc5/IMG_20180913_153003236.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/dygt65ke9/)taking a screen shot (https://postimages.org/app)
(https://s8.postimg.cc/btwg54vn9/IMG_20180913_152747337.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/nvrtza4vl/)
For the division in the box I went simple, I just cut and bent a strip of this lexan plastic I had and use a couple tight fitting piece of cardboard to protect the bottom of the box as well as hold the divider in place.
I've got my standard indestro sockets, most of a set of Craftsman metrics , then a couple six points from the Action box because why not, and last but not least I the ever handy Craftsman 10mm deep.
I should be alble to tackle qhite a bit with this set.


Btw someone who's name I regrettably can't remember sent me an indestro #1/4 a few months back on the old GG.
If they've found the new site , I'm sure they remember and know who they are and I want to thank them again.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: slip knot on September 14, 2018, 08:39:01 PM
A couple of older Williams
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: slip knot on September 14, 2018, 08:40:16 PM
a couple of newer Williams
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: slip knot on September 14, 2018, 08:42:31 PM
New Britain and Bonney
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: slip knot on September 14, 2018, 08:43:46 PM
Craftsman and Easco
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on September 14, 2018, 08:46:57 PM
You have some really great stuff all very drool worthy but the older Williams stuff - especially the electrical set are amazing.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: slip knot on September 14, 2018, 08:54:14 PM
I kinda have a weakness for the Williams sets. ;D
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on September 14, 2018, 09:45:31 PM
I can see that. I think you have some great stuff. And clearly the brand put out some great stuff.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: bonneyman on September 14, 2018, 10:24:56 PM
What Bonney ratchet do you need to complete that set? I'll keep my eyes open, because I doubt I have any that old to help you out.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: slip knot on September 14, 2018, 10:28:56 PM
Honestly I'm not sure. I picked it up a while back but haven't spent much time researching what should be in it.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on September 15, 2018, 01:10:30 AM
hick, excellent job on configuring that Challenger box, looks like a real useful set.

slip knot, super nice sets, really digging the Williams stuff, especially the first set. Do you believe the ratchet to be part of this set originally? Is this M310 set 9/32” drive?
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: slip knot on September 15, 2018, 10:54:41 AM
hick, excellent job on configuring that Challenger box, looks like a real useful set.

slip knot, super nice sets, really digging the Williams stuff, especially the first set. Do you believe the ratchet to be part of this set originally? Is this M310 set 9/32” drive?

Good eye. That ratchet doesn't belong to that set. I'm not sure why it was in there. :-[  Yes the m310 set is 9/32. I'm not sure if that set came with a ratchet or not. I'll have to do some digging.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: bonneyman on September 15, 2018, 12:41:50 PM
Honestly I'm not sure. I picked it up a while back but haven't spent much time researching what should be in it.

Since I can see a CV symbol on one of the pieces I'm going to say it'd have to be an older piece. Maybe AA would have an example to at least let you know what that era rat looked like. Though if you stuck an early 50's Bonney rat in there it would look bad.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on September 15, 2018, 01:15:06 PM
hick, excellent job on configuring that Challenger box, looks like a real useful set.

slip knot, super nice sets, really digging the Williams stuff, especially the first set. Do you believe the ratchet to be part of this set originally? Is this M310 set 9/32” drive?
Thanks.
Btw I thought about it and figured the 8pt's probably wouldn't see any use, so I replaced them with Craftsman 16pt equivants I had.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on September 15, 2018, 02:37:22 PM
Hey Slip Knot, your Williams sets are mega awesome! The best I’ve seen. The 1/4 looks like it it came right out of the factory.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on September 15, 2018, 03:23:14 PM
Might as well post my garage 1/4" set.
(https://i.postimg.cc/xTtBfFqC/IMG_20180916_123022123.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/KR30QfPS)

It's fairly basic, with a ratchet, 3" extension, mini spinner handle, bit adapter, 4 bits, Craftsman ignition wrenches 5/32-7/16, and standard sockets from 5-32 to 1/2 with 16pt 9/32 5/16 3/8 and 1/2.

It already came in handy a few times, and overall I like it as a good basic set.
I wish I the wrenches had included a 1/2 but I can probably live without one being in this kit.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on September 16, 2018, 03:43:46 PM
Bonney/Utica refrigeration set.

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8802_zpsjksengyg.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8803_zps5cc7f7cl.jpg)

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(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8805_zpssj11vegx.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8806_zps2a3mwntp.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8807_zpsx1gmnhkr.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8810_zpsuc6rmmh4.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8809_zpstn8uiiiv.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8808_zpst5n4akua.jpg)

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Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on September 16, 2018, 03:56:44 PM
That's an awesome minty Bonny set there, and that looks like an excellent quality sliding T.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on September 16, 2018, 04:36:46 PM
:-\ :-\ :-\ Oh My!  :-\ :-\ :-\
:-\ :-\ :-\ Oh My!  :-\ :-\ :-\
:-\ :-\ :-\ Oh My!  :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: slip knot on September 16, 2018, 09:02:32 PM
Damn, cant get more minty than that. fresh out of the box.  :-\ wow.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on September 16, 2018, 11:11:42 PM
I’m pretty sure it was’nt opened up until I got my little grubby sausage fingers in it... >:D

Anybody know if the MSN number on the parts list is representative of this set being produced for the military?
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on September 18, 2018, 06:38:35 PM
OTC

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Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on September 18, 2018, 08:07:06 PM
Nice set, I really like the box too.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: bonneyman on September 19, 2018, 10:04:53 AM
Holy smokes - I almost fell off my chair seeing that Bonney set!

Those packing gland and king valve sockets are not easy to come by. NOS in a complete set is unheard of! Wow!

Here's a pic out of my 1986 catalog (basically unchanged since 1967) of the basic 20 piece reefer set. Your ratchet wrench looks different, though. But it should give you an idea of what came in that set.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on September 19, 2018, 04:52:32 PM
Holy smokes - I almost fell off my chair seeing that Bonney set!

Those packing gland and king valve sockets are not easy to come by. NOS in a complete set is unheard of! Wow!

Here's a pic out of my 1986 catalog (basically unchanged since 1967) of the basic 20 piece reefer set. Your ratchet wrench looks different, though. But it should give you an idea of what came in that set.

That's really interesting, looks like this set was produced for quite a while. Thanks for the catalog pic!
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: bonneyman on September 19, 2018, 04:58:06 PM
Holy smokes - I almost fell off my chair seeing that Bonney set!

Those packing gland and king valve sockets are not easy to come by. NOS in a complete set is unheard of! Wow!

Here's a pic out of my 1986 catalog (basically unchanged since 1967) of the basic 20 piece reefer set. Your ratchet wrench looks different, though. But it should give you an idea of what came in that set.

That's really interesting, looks like this set was produced for quite a while. Thanks for the catalog pic!

U R Welcome.

Being the cardboard box it came in says Triangle Tools - and if the sockets have a little triangle under the "Y" in Bonney - means it is post-1967.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Snaparxon on September 19, 2018, 08:05:51 PM
Those OTC sockets and BB look a lot like Wright's
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: skfarmer on September 20, 2018, 11:22:50 AM
here is my hit the road 1/4 box set. all sk except the matco box, snap-on handle in the top, snap-on spinner/extension in the bottom and williams flex head.  all sae in the top with metric in the bottom and a few sae deeps that don't fit in the top.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on September 20, 2018, 12:06:39 PM
here is my hit the road 1/4 box set. all sk except the matco box, snap-on handle in the top, snap-on spinner/extension in the bottom and williams flex head.  all sae in the top with metric in the bottom and a few sae deeps that don't fit in the top.
Now that's an awesome setup for an all out 1/4" set, seems you've practically got everything but the kitchen sink in there.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Uncle Buck on September 20, 2018, 12:27:19 PM
I have always wanted one of those type boxes. Count me green with envy!
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on September 20, 2018, 01:19:32 PM
I have always wanted one of those type boxes. Count me green with envy!
+1
I've never seen one before but I already feel like I've always wanted one  :)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: muddy on September 20, 2018, 04:34:29 PM
Nice set Harlan!

Sent from my XT1710-02 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Snaparxon on September 20, 2018, 07:17:42 PM
That Matco box is sweet. 8)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on September 20, 2018, 11:54:53 PM
here is my hit the road 1/4 box set. all sk except the matco box, snap-on handle in the top, snap-on spinner/extension in the bottom and williams flex head.  all sae in the top with metric in the bottom and a few sae deeps that don't fit in the top.

That's a nicely organized, I can see why that would be your "go-to" 1/4 set.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on September 22, 2018, 08:54:18 PM
New Britain sourced Penncraft set

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8823_zps0dl3m1de.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8824_zpsdogwaag2.jpg)

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(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8827_zpsvxbx9og0.jpg)

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Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on September 22, 2018, 08:57:31 PM
More New Britain..


(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8345_zpsqekwk3wy.jpg)

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Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on September 22, 2018, 10:01:16 PM
I thought the Penncraft looked great and then the NB knocked me out - that looks NOS. What a terrific collection you have.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: slip knot on September 22, 2018, 10:19:36 PM
I thought the Penncraft looked great and then the NB knocked me out - that looks NOS. What a terrific collection you have.

X2. who would believe that all these pristine sets were still out there. very nice.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: DeadNutz on September 23, 2018, 02:06:51 PM
Penncraft up in the great white north would probably drool over that Penncraft set. Speaking of which I haven't seen him on this new board yet.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Uncle Buck on September 23, 2018, 05:56:58 PM
I have always wondered why those old 1/4 sets had a couple of 8pt sockets. The only reason that comes to mind is some of the old coils and ignition components had square nuts on them so perhaps it was with that in mind is all I can figure.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: bmwrd0 on September 23, 2018, 06:24:51 PM
I have something, can't for the life of me remember what, that has 1/4 and 5/16 square head set screws on it. These work perfectly on them. I think it is something from Delta.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on September 23, 2018, 07:03:37 PM
I like the crisp rectangular cases for how they fit in a tool box, but those New Britain boxes with the rounded corners sure would slip in a pocket much better.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on September 24, 2018, 12:01:31 AM
Thanks for the nice comments!

I like the crisp rectangular cases for how they fit in a tool box, but those New Britain boxes with the rounded corners sure would slip in a pocket much better.

hick, I believe this same style box was used for most of the manufacturers that sourced New Britain 1/4” drive sets at some point. I like the rounded edge design as well, but I can tell you that they’re not very good for stacking on top of one another, especially after they’ve been cleaned up.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on September 24, 2018, 01:57:07 PM
Thanks for the nice comments!

I like the crisp rectangular cases for how they fit in a tool box, but those New Britain boxes with the rounded corners sure would slip in a pocket much better.

hick, I believe this same style box was used for most of the manufacturers that sourced New Britain 1/4” drive sets at some point. I like the rounded edge design as well, but I can tell you that they’re not very good for stacking on top of one another, especially after they’ve been cleaned up.
I'll bet they're not, but they do look nice.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on September 25, 2018, 01:46:55 PM
Proto set from late 1940’s - 1950’s.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on September 25, 2018, 02:27:49 PM
Cruiser that is magnificent. Looks like it was just bought new.

Whats the wood panel with the Proto logo?
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on September 25, 2018, 02:50:53 PM
Cruiser that is magnificent. Looks like it was just bought new.

Whats the wood panel with the Proto logo?
Looks like a display with wrenches hanging off of if.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on September 25, 2018, 02:54:41 PM
Hi Steve, thanks for the kind words. Those are Proto display boards from the early 1950’s Proto LOs Angeles era.  One holds adjustable wrenches and the other holds combo wrenches. One of the adjustable wrenches says PRVTV PLVMB, so I suppose it’s older than the others that say Proto Los Angeles.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on September 25, 2018, 02:55:46 PM
Here’s a pic of them.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on September 25, 2018, 03:08:43 PM
Here’s an early Snap On 9/32 set. I think it’s circa 1927 or 28. Can any of you Snap On experts help pin down a manufacture date? Thanks.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on September 25, 2018, 03:31:13 PM
Those boards are really nice. The Proto Plomb one can be dated pretty well.

The Snap-on set looks early but I'm not the expert on those someone with more knowledge than I needs to date those. I like it it's a nice set.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: slip knot on September 25, 2018, 05:35:18 PM
Sweet Proto set.

I ran across that same box at a sale last weekend. Sadly it was empty and not in very good shape, But we take what we can find. ;D
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on September 25, 2018, 05:51:49 PM
That snapon 9/32 set is pretty cool.
I really like that T handle that comes with them, that's something I wouldn't mind making.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on September 28, 2018, 09:13:16 PM
cruiser, awesome sets! Really digging the Proto.... 8)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on September 29, 2018, 09:18:10 AM
Thanks CRTDI - coming from the king of 1/4 sets, I’m humbled by the compliment.  O:-)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on September 29, 2018, 09:22:14 AM
Here we have a Fleet set from the 1960’s.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on September 29, 2018, 09:36:23 AM
A newer Fleet set with a plastic insert. 1970’s?
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on September 29, 2018, 09:52:45 AM
Just throwing it out here, but judging by the logo, I believe this Proto LA set is the first of its kind as Plomb Tools transitioned to Proto. I’m guessing this set is from 1949 or 1950. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on September 29, 2018, 09:59:41 AM
A better logo pic. Note that the flying lady is featured on the box.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on September 29, 2018, 10:33:11 AM
Here is my everyday user set. The box is Proto, but the tools are mostly Proto Challenger with some Proto and other brands mixed in. Mostly metric with the ignition wrenches being SAE. Most everything these days is metric, so I opted for putting together a vintage set for today’s use. It was cobbled together from stray tools in the garage, garage sales, swap meets, and eBay. Don’t know what the cost was to put it together as it evolved over a long timeframe, but it works for me and is all American made.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: slip knot on September 29, 2018, 10:55:46 AM
Nice sets there Cruiser, you been holding out on us.   
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on September 29, 2018, 12:05:52 PM
The hits just keep on coming. Wow some great stuff there. I really like that Fleet set.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: skfarmer on September 29, 2018, 01:40:37 PM
i knew he was holding out on us. all of those cool proto family tools, peeing on wrenches and all.  ;D
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on September 29, 2018, 02:13:18 PM
 :)) glad to be back Harlan!
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: skfarmer on September 29, 2018, 02:34:02 PM
:)) glad to be back Harlan!

we'll take ya!

nice  not be having to look over your shoulder for the pc police isn't it?
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: john k on September 29, 2018, 02:45:23 PM
This is the Williams 1/4 inch set that I received in our secret Santa gift exchange about 3 years back.   Wrote down the sender and it is in my notebook.  Took this right after receiving,  got a little grease on it now.   I know Williams is owned by Snapon now
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on September 29, 2018, 03:09:04 PM
:)) glad to be back Harlan!

we'll take ya!

nice  not be having to look over your shoulder for the pc police isn't it?

You bet. I apologize for our Senator. 
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on October 01, 2018, 05:32:31 PM
Nice sets there Cruiser, you been holding out on us.

^^^Understatement of the year here. Anybody notice all of the sets stacked up behind those awesome Proto tool boards.... :-\

OMG...Cruiser! Lots to comment on here. The 60s style Fleet set is a new one for me, haven't seen that style logo before. The 70s style Fleet set with the plastic insert may have still been available in the early 80s. I'm no an expert on Snappy items, but I believe the sockets in that 9/32" set are known as a "Gripper" style and are early era. I think you're correct that the Proto L.A. set must be an early transition Plomb/Proto set. And finally, your "go-to" Proto set is sweeet!

Simply fantastic sets all around. Where in the hell is that bow down imojo when you need it. I submit to the king of Penens/Proto.... :))
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on October 01, 2018, 05:40:28 PM
This is the Williams 1/4 inch set that I received in our secret Santa gift exchange about 3 years back.   Wrote down the sender and it is in my notebook.  Took this right after receiving,  got a little grease on it now.   I know Williams is owned by Snapon now

I haven't seen his style set before, looks super handy. I'm sure the gift giver would be happy to know that you're getting some use out of it.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on October 01, 2018, 06:39:58 PM
Here's a little MAC box I've had for a while. I'm just picking up pieces to fill it as I find them. There's couple of non MAC ratchets in the mix here as well.

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/IMG_7589_zpsedf9b862.jpg)

Matching wrenches seem to be hard to come by.

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/IMG_7590_zpse549c48b.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/IMG_7593_zps970447d6.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/IMG_7594_zpsf278fdd6.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/IMG_7596_zps5459c1e5.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/IMG_7595_zps0528f2dd.jpg)

The Vi-Chrome ratchet is a recent acquisition. Never heard of Vi-Chrome, except for maybe a wrench or two. Never any socket sets.  Sure does look a lot like this little Bonney.... :o

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/IMG_7601_zpsf59a36ed.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/IMG_7599_zpsdffc0592.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/3a883df8-c5b3-4ea3-81b0-671829ba162d_zpsa91d261b.jpg)

Not exactly sure of the timeline on this set. Maybe late '70s to early '80s ?

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Herbrand%20Set/IMG_8224_zpszqy8axss.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Herbrand%20Set/IMG_8225_zpsuljxrrxn.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Herbrand%20Set/IMG_8226_zpszweqgp2e.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Herbrand%20Set/IMG_8227_zpstmiyjyjk.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Herbrand%20Set/IMG_8228_zpscm7f3trd.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Herbrand%20Set/IMG_8229_zpsdfge1yrn.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Herbrand%20Set/IMG_8230_zpsuju976az.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Herbrand%20Set/IMG_8231_zpsr1imqxqe.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Herbrand%20Set/IMG_8232_zpsud5aheef.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on October 01, 2018, 06:53:09 PM
Armstrong, not really sure of the vintage. My guess...late '50s perhaps?

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Vintage%20sockets/IMG_9677_zpsvkdhfr8f.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Vintage%20sockets/IMG_9678_zpsthpcydr1.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Vintage%20sockets/IMG_9679_zpskkwi8lgw.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Vintage%20sockets/IMG_9680_zpsql37oyuo.jpg)

These older Armstrong ratchets seem to be really nice. Butter smooth action.
(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Vintage%20sockets/IMG_9681_zpsgif3nopw.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Vintage%20sockets/IMG_9687_zpsvdilct2b.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Vintage%20sockets/IMG_9682_zps0on2uchj.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Vintage%20sockets/IMG_9684_zps7bmetbh1.jpg)

There is another later vintage ratchet in this set that has a rather strange spline type of socket and universal pinned to the drive lug. Surely this is designed for some very specific task.

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Vintage%20sockets/IMG_9685_zps0k5j7vqq.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Vintage%20sockets/IMG_9686_zpsu8yppjbu.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Vintage%20sockets/IMG_9688_zps3fgn4wqe.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on October 01, 2018, 07:29:04 PM
A couple of different Wright sets.

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Small%20Mac%20Box/IMG_9434_zpsk8xftw2j.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Small%20Mac%20Box/IMG_9435_zpsacwsiybr.jpg)

My first Frankenstein ratchet.... ;D
(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Small%20Mac%20Box/IMG_9436_zpsej2d1fvw.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Small%20Mac%20Box/IMG_9437_zpsmcfoxnpa.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Small%20Mac%20Box/IMG_9439_zps4w0kgvox.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Small%20Mac%20Box/IMG_9444_zpsvkujc7rx.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Small%20Mac%20Box/IMG_9446_zpskrdvyqnj.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Small%20Mac%20Box/IMG_9447_zpspqdjeixn.jpg)

I'm thinking that this little Bluegrass ratchet was Wright sourced.
(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Small%20Mac%20Box/IMG_9449_zpszksjmdpv.jpg)

Even has  the same model number.....LOL.
(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Small%20Mac%20Box/IMG_9450_zpsedhr0c87.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Small%20Mac%20Box/IMG_9451_zpsp39lm6o5.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on October 01, 2018, 07:34:49 PM
A couple of Companion sets.

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_9452_zpszzfjh1p8.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_9454_zpslilfsewz.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_9453_zpsx03wrxx3.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_9455_zpsehl6wd1h.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_9456_zpsyul1oe6x.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_9458_zpswj0wxlwe.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8379_zpsdothqnrt.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8380_zpsalsnpkgf.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8381_zpsqbe1f2a8.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8382_zpsprmok9lh.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8383_zpsooiolmib.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8384_zpsazloizm4.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8385_zps512yusj7.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8386_zpsjkazlmh1.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8387_zpsttyivqr0.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8388_zpspthru6xy.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8389_zpsnksdnfl2.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8391_zpsj0umzvza.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8392_zpspkyfbrmg.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8393_zpsfstnhj9h.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8394_zps69xrtxsh.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on October 01, 2018, 07:41:28 PM
Bluegrass 1/4" set. I really don't know what was originally included in this set. The box and sockets appear to be New Britain sourced, but the breaker bar and ratchet look similar to Wright. Perhaps different sources for earlier and later production eras.

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/Stromberg%20Plomb/IMG_0849_zpsf38kbe2d.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/Stromberg%20Plomb/IMG_0850_zps7flrz9i9.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/Stromberg%20Plomb/IMG_0851_zps6f6uhx3r.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/Stromberg%20Plomb/IMG_0852_zpsjybaqr3m.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/Stromberg%20Plomb/IMG_0853_zpsxawyko5c.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/Stromberg%20Plomb/IMG_0854_zps1ijfpw1d.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/Stromberg%20Plomb/IMG_0855_zpsltawjzzx.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/Stromberg%20Plomb/IMG_0856_zps5r8tcwf5.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/Stromberg%20Plomb/IMG_0857_zpstkzkamu5.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/Stromberg%20Plomb/IMG_0858_zpsfuvhkimt.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Uncle Buck on October 01, 2018, 08:28:57 PM
So many really sweet 1/4 sets there! Even the cheepo Companion set!
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on October 01, 2018, 09:30:17 PM
I am just knocked out. Those sets are so cool.

The Vi-Chrome really does like a Bonney item. That Armstrong box is really cool as is the first MAC box. But all of it is amazing.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: bonneyman on October 01, 2018, 09:33:49 PM
I like how that Companion open gear ratchet has the drive knuckle secured by a snap-ring. Would make disassembly easy of cleaning or replacement.   8)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Redvise on October 02, 2018, 09:10:53 AM
Here's a little MAC box I've had for a while. I'm just picking up pieces to fill it as I find them. There's couple of non MAC ratchets in the mix here as well.
(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/IMG_7593_zps970447d6.jpg)


Interesting , I think I have 2 boxes like that, but with no handle. I will have to did them up and look them over.


Brian
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on October 02, 2018, 09:15:22 PM
That last Companion set is interesting, not sure why they thought to include punches but it seems like they must've thought a bit about whatever use they had in mind.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: lauver on October 03, 2018, 01:23:38 PM
CRDTI & H&S,

The Sears Companion 1/4" drive set is pretty sweet and unusual.  I believe these sets were made by Western Forge (i.e. WF) for Sears. Western Forge is best known for their Craftsman screwdrivers, pliers, punches, chisels, adjustable wrenches, ignition tools, brake tools, and etc.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Uncle Buck on October 03, 2018, 01:30:46 PM
CRDTI & H&S,

The Sears Companion 1/4" drive set is pretty sweet and unusual.  I believe these sets were made by Western Forge (i.e. WF) for Sears. Western Forge is best known for their Craftsman screwdrivers, pliers, punches, chisels, adjustable wrenches, ignition tools, brake tools, and etc.

Some Companion sets of the era were Indestro sourced. I have a 3/8" set in a red box much like that one that was Indestro bloodline. Had I known then what I know now I would have skipped the Craftsman brand and just bought the Companion stuff! LOL
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: DeadNutz on October 03, 2018, 01:51:40 PM
Now I know why I can never find a nice 1/4" set in a metal box. Cruiser808 and CRDTI have snagged them all and squirreled them away.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on October 03, 2018, 03:11:15 PM
CRDTI & H&S,

The Sears Companion 1/4" drive set is pretty sweet and unusual.  I believe these sets were made by Western Forge (i.e. WF) for Sears. Western Forge is best known for their Craftsman screwdrivers, pliers, punches, chisels, adjustable wrenches, ignition tools, brake tools, and etc.
That would make perfect sense.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on October 03, 2018, 07:24:13 PM
Now I know why I can never find a nice 1/4" set in a metal box. Cruiser808 and CRDTI have snagged them all and squirreled them away.

They do seem to have the market cornered.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on October 03, 2018, 09:26:01 PM
Now I know why I can never find a nice 1/4" set in a metal box. Cruiser808 and CRDTI have snagged them all and squirreled them away.

They do seem to have the market cornered.
And these are just the sets they collect, I can only imagine what their user sets look like.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: d42jeep on October 04, 2018, 08:58:09 AM
I just joined this morning, although I am a member on some other sites. I have a 1/4” drive fetish and tend towards WW2 vintage sets although I have some newer stuff in various brands. My pictures will be pretty random.
-Don
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: d42jeep on October 04, 2018, 09:12:24 AM
Here are some more random pictures.
-Don
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on October 04, 2018, 09:37:23 AM
Sweet sets Jeep. I’m really liking those old Plomb sets. Welcome to GG.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on October 04, 2018, 09:40:34 AM
An old Husky set. It came with a little cross bar and card.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on October 04, 2018, 10:06:21 AM
Two early Plomb sets from 1940 and 1941. I especially like these sets because the date codes on the tools all match, making me guess the sets are all original from the factory.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on October 04, 2018, 12:58:38 PM
I just joined this morning, although I am a member on some other sites. I have a 1/4” drive fetish and tend towards WW2 vintage sets although I have some newer stuff in various brands. My pictures will be pretty random.
-Don

Random works for me....Nice sets!
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: d42jeep on October 04, 2018, 01:03:40 PM
Okay, random it is.
-Don
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on October 04, 2018, 01:10:34 PM
An old Husky set. It came with a little cross bar and card.

I believe that's absolutely the nicest vintage Husky set I've ever seen....just gorgeous!

Two early Plomb sets from 1940 and 1941. I especially like these sets because the date codes on the tools all match, making me guess the sets are all original from the factory.

Wow... a Plomb set with matching date coded wrenches.  I'm sure that's not an easy one to come by. Very, very nice!

Thank you for sharing these.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: d42jeep on October 04, 2018, 01:10:34 PM
A few more.
-Don
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on October 04, 2018, 01:14:14 PM
 :-\ :-\
I think my head just exploded.

I especially like those end opening sets and the SK set with the palm ratchet.


And welcome aboard d42jeep.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: d42jeep on October 04, 2018, 01:28:38 PM
Thanks for the welcome. Still a few more to come.
-Don
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Uncle Buck on October 04, 2018, 01:42:27 PM
A few years ago you could still buy those Snap-on 9/32 sets with the T handle fairly reasonably, which I am glad I bought one then. I think I paid about $40 for a set like the one you showed. I doubt I could find one for that now.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: d42jeep on October 04, 2018, 01:49:49 PM
Snap-on prices have gotten ridiculous. Fortunately, I traded for my 9/32” set. Here is my last batch of pictures (for now)
-Don
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Uncle Buck on October 04, 2018, 01:50:43 PM
Snap-on prices have gotten ridiculous. Fortunately, I traded for my 9/32” set. Here is my last batch of pictures (for now)
-Don

What do sets like the one you showed fetch now?
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Uncle Buck on October 04, 2018, 01:52:23 PM
Those SK 1/4" palm ratchets are the best. I have had mine since the 1980's and have always prized it greatly. Best under dash ratchet ever IMHO
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: slip knot on October 04, 2018, 03:39:46 PM
D42jeep, those are some nice sets. very nice.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: d42jeep on October 04, 2018, 03:46:04 PM
Snap-on prices have gotten ridiculous. Fortunately, I traded for my 9/32” set. Here is my last batch of pictures (for now)
-Don

What do sets like the one you showed fetch now?
Thanks, slip knot. I would expect similar sets to go on eBay between $60.00 and $120.00 depending on condition and how complete they are. I’m missing a small screwdriver bit which I’m having trouble finding.
-Don
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on October 04, 2018, 04:27:53 PM
This is amazing. I am floored but what's been posted today. Very impressive and some very desirable stuff.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Uncle Buck on October 04, 2018, 04:33:16 PM
I recall years ago over on channel 3 some guy posted I think a Snap-on Migit set like the one shown that was NOS and still in its circa WWII cosmoline. I might be mixed up, it might not have been that set but it was a box of some NOS WWII vintage sockets or a complete set. Now that was crazy.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on October 04, 2018, 07:36:44 PM
Those SK 1/4" palm ratchets are the best. I have had mine since the 1980's and have always prized it greatly. Best under dash ratchet ever IMHO

Agreed, I like the ratcheting mechanism in these even better than a similar Snap-On version.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on October 04, 2018, 07:45:11 PM
d42, Very coool looking collection! My apologies for breaking up your pic posting with my thread reply on the previous page.

One of the Plomb sets you posted is in what looks like an original light colored grey box. Is this a special contract or specific military set?
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: slip knot on October 04, 2018, 08:49:10 PM
I remember that set UB. At the time it was being debated weather to clean it up or leave it coated. I hope it was left as it was.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: d42jeep on October 04, 2018, 10:24:28 PM
d42, Very coool looking collection! My apologies for breaking up your pic posting with my thread reply on the previous page.

One of the Plomb sets you posted is in what looks like an original light colored grey box. Is this a special contract or specific military set?
That was a fortunate eBay pick up. It’s a set specifically made for the Navy that I keep in my NAF toolbox. Here are some more pictures. The tools should be marked with NAF numbers but those are incredibly rare.
-Don
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on October 04, 2018, 11:26:12 PM
Never knew tey made a set just for the Navy. That is astounding.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Uncle Buck on October 05, 2018, 08:24:46 AM
The Plomb sets shown here are just mind boggling to me.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on October 05, 2018, 02:37:49 PM
One of the Plomb sets you posted is in what looks like an original light colored grey box. Is this a special contract or specific military set?
That was a fortunate eBay pick up. It’s a set specifically made for the Navy that I keep in my NAF toolbox. Here are some more pictures. The tools should be marked with NAF numbers but those are incredibly rare.
-Don

I knew there was something special about this set. That's just an incredible find! Do you think that the rarity of this particular style/configuration is due to very low or specific production?
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: d42jeep on October 05, 2018, 04:51:45 PM
I’m really not sure why they are so rare. I only know of two other long time Plomb collectors that have them. I have many other NAF marked tools that are readily available, such as Auto Wrenches, so it really doesn’t make sense to me.
-Don
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on October 05, 2018, 09:49:51 PM
Now you have me wondering if the NAF 1/2dr socket I have came from a Plomb box like yours.
I'm sure wherever it came from it's likely somewhat common, otherwise I'd never have ended up with it.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: d42jeep on October 07, 2018, 09:10:28 AM
Yeah, I have several 1/2” drive Plomb NAF tools in the Navy box. They aren’t too hard to find.
-Don
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on October 07, 2018, 01:25:53 PM
Here's both my 1/4" sets finally finished.

(https://i.postimg.cc/Jn3chB0X/IMG_20181006_163506658.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qhRCbq8B)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on October 07, 2018, 02:13:34 PM
Very nice sets H&S. I’m really liking that Indestro ratchet. How is it working for you?
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: bonneyman on October 07, 2018, 02:25:37 PM
I really should get off my duff and take some pictures of my Bonney 1/4" stuff.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on October 07, 2018, 03:36:45 PM
I really should get off my duff and take some pictures of my Bonney 1/4" stuff.

Yes, you should... ;D
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on October 07, 2018, 05:36:03 PM
Very nice sets H&S. I’m really liking that Indestro ratchet. How is it working for you?
Thanks, it took a bit of figuring to get the smaller set how I wanted it, I had to figure out which wrenches to take out and of course I had to make the little spinner handle.

The Indestro ratchet from my grandfather works just fine and it feels good in my hand.
It's large headed and coarse toothed, but I've not really worked in many tight spaces where it would be a hindrance.
Sometimes I get the lever switched by accident but not that often.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: bmwrd0 on October 07, 2018, 07:58:01 PM
So, these are my Armstrong sets...
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1909/44445780014_7a644085b6_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2aHweVY)20181007_111406 (https://flic.kr/p/2aHweVY) by Aaron Warfield (https://www.flickr.com/photos/159824424@N06/), on Flickr
These are the two oldest, one of which has a Bog made ratchet. Armstrong will put DOE wrenches in sets, so I am always looking for those.
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1930/45119043082_175af4540e_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2bK1TzU)20181007_111430 (https://flic.kr/p/2bK1TzU) by Aaron Warfield (https://www.flickr.com/photos/159824424@N06/), on Flickr
This is my workbench set:
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1912/43353894250_ccf9263a2d_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29433km)20181007_111442 (https://flic.kr/p/29433km) by Aaron Warfield (https://www.flickr.com/photos/159824424@N06/), on Flickr
Goes up to 11/16", all vintage Armstrong but from different era's.

I have 10-20 sets that I need to take pics of for you guys.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: d42jeep on October 07, 2018, 08:41:24 PM
Nice! I almost never see Armstrong tools.
-Don
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: strik9 on October 07, 2018, 08:50:51 PM
I collect the DOE and Armstrong is a fave brand.  Never tried to make the catalog sets of the bits I find.   
     The concept of an inclusive tool kit from 1890 to present has changed dozens of times.

    The earlier sets were far more varied than today.  We lost something along the way.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on October 07, 2018, 09:02:17 PM
Those Armstrongs are very nice. I really like the ratchet in the set on right in the light silver box. The driver in the second pic does that lock as a driver and freewheel as an extension?
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: bmwrd0 on October 07, 2018, 10:07:36 PM
Yes, it works just like the Williams ones. Super handy. And with the sockets going up to 11/16" that set covers 90% of my needs on the bench.  O0
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on October 08, 2018, 01:21:47 AM
I really like the ratchet in the set on right in the light silver box.

Me too..pretty sure I have one of those buried in some forgotten corner. If I remember correctly, it's actually a 9/32" drive piece.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on October 08, 2018, 01:34:47 AM
Easco set with a paint handle ratchet.

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8834_zpsuz0pdziy.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8835_zpssrzlkmxs.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8836_zpsdfqickwy.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8838_zpsgfkijam8.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8839_zpsqzxfibli.jpg)

This was found underneath the plastic socket holder tray. Guess we're missing a lid card here...... :-[

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8840_zpsdtemth2v.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8841_zpsx3iglap4.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8842_zpshgeuo24j.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8843_zpsgtavbblf.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8845_zpsngi1sgqv.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/New%20Britian%20Wright%20Comp%20Set/IMG_8844_zps0zqkehs8.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on October 09, 2018, 06:29:19 PM
Pre war economy Plomb sets. No ratchet included. According to my research, Plomb offered  1/4 ratchets in 1938 4795 Plomb 1/4 sets. But, these sets shown here are most likely post 1938 , but pre war and according to the catalogs, did not include the newly offered ratchets to save costs and offer a low cost alternative.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on October 09, 2018, 08:52:24 PM
Wow those sets are like a time capsule. Never seen the black boxes before. Just astounding.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on October 09, 2018, 10:38:33 PM
 Hi Steve. The sets are not really black, just dark green. It's a testament  to my awful  photo skills.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: d42jeep on October 09, 2018, 11:21:21 PM
Pre war economy Plomb sets. No ratchet included. According to my research, Plomb offered  1/4 ratchets in 1938 4795 Plomb 1/4 sets. But, these sets shown here are most likely post 1938 , but pre war and according to the catalogs, did not include the newly offered ratchets to save costs and offer a low cost alternative.
Smaller sets without the ratchet included were common during that time period. I have early sets from several manufacturers that don’t include ratchets.
-Don
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on October 10, 2018, 11:33:36 PM
Pre war economy Plomb sets. No ratchet included. According to my research, Plomb offered  1/4 ratchets in 1938 4795 Plomb 1/4 sets. But, these sets shown here are most likely post 1938 , but pre war and according to the catalogs, did not include the newly offered ratchets to save costs and offer a low cost alternative.

Really hard to believe the condition of this trio. Just, super nice!
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: bonneyman on October 11, 2018, 09:50:41 AM
Loving the EASCO set, CRD!  ;)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on October 11, 2018, 05:09:00 PM
Here are some P&C sets from four decades. The oldest one is from the late 40’s. What seems to be unusual is the ratchet. The paddle handle is reminiscent of Plomb WF 9/32 ratchets of WWII, but the head looks like the Plomb pebble ratchet.

The set in the blue case is from the 50’s and the ratchet and the breaker bar Have a different type of handle.

By the 60’s P&C changed the ratchet all together with a Thorsen type design before Proto discontinued the brand.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on October 11, 2018, 05:12:11 PM
P&C 100 set.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: bmwrd0 on October 11, 2018, 05:40:34 PM
This thread needs more Proto Empire!
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1902/44343943475_1734c6e8a0_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2aywitz)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1906/31381516918_cf02132936_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/PP5tEw)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: bmwrd0 on October 11, 2018, 05:43:40 PM
And if it is not to Corny!
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1904/44343982295_25e283e8b6_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2aywv1T)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1957/30316440537_75762bab06_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/NbXFyD)
I know it is missing a few sockets, but I am not sure what else, as I have never seen a catalog from that era.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on October 11, 2018, 05:43:49 PM
As can be seen, with the exception of the ratchets, the 4795 1/4 sets were very similar for both the Proto and P&C sets in the 60’s.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on October 11, 2018, 05:46:41 PM
You guys just knock me out.

Cruiser I have seen that odd P&C ratchet before. I like it.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on October 11, 2018, 05:48:31 PM
And if it is not to Corny!
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1904/44343982295_25e283e8b6_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2aywv1T)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1957/30316440537_75762bab06_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/NbXFyD)
I know it is missing a few sockets, but I am not sure what else, as I have never seen a catalog from that era.

Really like the Cornwell set. I don’t see many of those here in Hawaii. In fact, I haven’t seen any 1/4 sets in the wild.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on October 11, 2018, 05:52:20 PM
You guys just knock me out.

Cruiser I have seen that odd P&C ratchet before. I like it.

Hi Steve, you’ve got some pretty awesome sets too. That Par-X set is unbelievable.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on October 11, 2018, 06:14:01 PM
This thread needs more Proto Empire!
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1902/44343943475_1734c6e8a0_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2aywitz)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1906/31381516918_cf02132936_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/PP5tEw)

Proto Empire it is. Here is a 70’s Challenger set for guys like me.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: bmwrd0 on October 11, 2018, 06:30:18 PM
Cruiser, yours and CRTDI's seem like new! Mine have that rough around the edges look, the lived-in feel.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on October 11, 2018, 07:00:20 PM
BWWrd0, you have some awesome sets. And, if I see correctly, your top Plomb case is one of the first that the company made. The early 1/4 cases didn’t have the upper lid finger grab. If your upper lid is flat at the middle, you have a rare older Plomb case and that is oh so sweet.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: skfarmer on October 11, 2018, 08:50:43 PM
Cruiser, yours and CRTDI's seem like new! Mine have that rough around the edges look, the lived-in feel.

hey, bruce called! said he wants his white tenny runners back!  :))
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: skfarmer on October 11, 2018, 10:00:51 PM
here is a set that goes together. indestro ignition and 1/4 drive sets. picked these up in about 1981 or 2. i was in high school at the time and they were surplus from the local trade/tech school.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: bonneyman on October 11, 2018, 10:04:05 PM
here is a set that goes together. indestro ignition and 1/4 drive sets. picked these up in about 1981 or 2. i was high school at the time and they were surplus from the local trade/tech school.

Oh yeah those will do!  8)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: skfarmer on October 11, 2018, 10:05:03 PM
here is a newer one. dewalt 1/4 drive from tractor supply. not bad for taiwan import stuff.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on October 11, 2018, 11:52:26 PM
Nice sets Harlan! Indestro always pleases and I never knew Dewalt made drive tools.   :-\
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on October 11, 2018, 11:56:21 PM
Here are some P&C sets from four decades. The oldest one is from the late 40’s. What seems to be unusual is the ratchet. The paddle handle is reminiscent of Plomb WF 9/32 ratchets of WWII, but the head looks like the Plomb pebble ratchet.

The set in the blue case is from the 50’s and the ratchet and the breaker bar Have a different type of handle.

By the 60’s P&C changed the ratchet all together with a Thorsen type design before Proto discontinued the brand.

Some simply outstanding P&C goodness here.

P & C anything is pretty much non-existent in my area. That paddle handle style breaker bar in the blue box has eluded me for many years.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on October 12, 2018, 12:05:12 AM
And if it is not to Corny!

I know it is missing a few sockets, but I am not sure what else, as I have never seen a catalog from that era.

Really like the Cornwell set. I don’t see many of those here in Hawaii. In fact, I haven’t seen any 1/4 sets in the wild.

Ditto for me as well. Would love to put a nice blue box era 1/4" set together. Don't know why, but it seems like any Cornwell stuff I come across is usually in pretty rough shape.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: bonneyman on October 12, 2018, 09:00:03 AM
What is it with Cornwell? They are an old company, and they seem to make pretty good stuff and have a decent following. Yet I rarely see them in the wild, and I don't even see their trucks that often (compared to Snap-On and Matco at least). Do they just not advertize or what?
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on October 12, 2018, 12:47:29 PM
What is it with Cornwell? They are an old company, and they seem to make pretty good stuff and have a decent following. Yet I rarely see them in the wild, and I don't even see their trucks that often (compared to Snap-On and Matco at least). Do they just not advertize or what?
And I rarely even hear their name come up.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: skfarmer on October 12, 2018, 01:11:59 PM
What is it with Cornwell? They are an old company, and they seem to make pretty good stuff and have a decent following. Yet I rarely see them in the wild, and I don't even see their trucks that often (compared to Snap-On and Matco at least). Do they just not advertize or what?
And I rarely even hear their name come up.

the first rule of cornwell.........there is no cornwell..... :-X
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on October 12, 2018, 02:01:04 PM
What is it with Cornwell? They are an old company, and they seem to make pretty good stuff and have a decent following. Yet I rarely see them in the wild, and I don't even see their trucks that often (compared to Snap-On and Matco at least). Do they just not advertize or what?

They keep a very low profile and will only sell through the dealers. They won't sell to you even if you don't have a dealer. I see ratchets at the swaps on occasion and once in a great while a wrench or socket but almost never a set. There was a Cornwell dealer at Long Beach a couple times but I think he was liquidating.

It seems SK is correct


the first rule of cornwell.........there is no cornwell..... :-X
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on October 12, 2018, 03:10:21 PM
Hi CRTDI - I too have that Easco set. But I have the 1104 instead of the 1103 in your set. Frankly, I’d prefer the 1103, but I take what I can get. I also have a rather unconventional Easco 1/4 set with a ratcheting screwdriver. It’s in this plastic bubble case. I recall Sears sold this ratcheting screwdriver, but I never grabbed one. At the time, my mother in law gave me a “screwball” ratchet driver and for years I used it instead. By the time I decided I was going to buy the Craftsman, Sears discontinued selling them and Easco was gone. Fortunately, I found this one on eBay several years ago for a decent price. I don’t use very much though, as I fell in love with Snap-on ratcheting screwdrivers. They’re expensive, but just they feel right in my hands.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on October 12, 2018, 03:19:32 PM
Hi CRTDI - I too have that Easco set. But I have the 1104 instead of the 1103 in your set. Frankly, I’d prefer the 1103, but I take what I can get. I also have a rather unconventional Easco 1/4 set with a ratcheting screwdriver. It’s in this plastic bubble case. I recall Sears sold this ratcheting screwdriver, but I never grabbed one. By the time I decided I was going to buy one, Sears discontinued selling them and Easco was gone. Fortunately, I found this one on eBay several years ago for a decent price.
Now both those sets are very cool.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on October 12, 2018, 03:22:57 PM
Thanks H&S. I appreciate your kind words. Also, we should all thank CRTDI for taking the time to share his fabulous collection. I mostly stick to Proto Empire Tools and would not have even bothered to show the Easco tools if it hadn’t been for him. CRTDI keeps this thread humming.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on October 12, 2018, 03:45:12 PM
Never seen those Eascos with that handle before.

I think all brands are welcome at least I'm anxious to see them so if you got em flaunt em.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on October 12, 2018, 03:51:14 PM
Will do, Steve. You’re the boss.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: slip knot on October 12, 2018, 05:51:03 PM
A little Easco set I have, don't remember if I posted already or not.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on October 12, 2018, 06:16:49 PM
Thanks H&S. I appreciate your kind words. Also, we should all thank CRTDI for taking the time to share his fabulous collection. I mostly stick to Proto Empire Tools and would not have even bothered to show the Easco tools if it hadn’t been for him. CRTDI keeps this thread humming.
Definitely keep posting what you've got, and I hope he does as well.
Although you guys are making me want to collect when my goal is just to acquire what I need, so thanks for enabling  ;)
At least this will be a good selection of 1/4 ratchets to look though and decide what I may want to seek out and try.

Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on October 12, 2018, 06:32:32 PM
Will do, Steve. You’re the boss.

I don't want to be a boss. Much happier as a minion.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on October 12, 2018, 07:21:52 PM
I normally would agree, but when someone has the title of resident allien, global moderator,  and hero member, I stand up and pay attention.   :)) :)) :))  :)) :))
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: bonneyman on October 12, 2018, 08:35:23 PM
Will do, Steve. You’re the boss.

Yeah, he has a plaque on his desk that says,"Here's the Boss"......with an arrow that points toward his wife.   ;D
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: bonneyman on October 12, 2018, 08:38:03 PM
I like that Easco driver tube set, Cruiser.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on October 12, 2018, 10:15:58 PM
Will do, Steve. You’re the boss.

Yeah, he has a plaque on his desk that says,"Here's the Boss"......with an arrow that points toward his wife.   ;D

I see you've been here. She never lets me forget it either.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on October 12, 2018, 10:41:18 PM
Thanks Bonneyman.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: bonneyman on October 12, 2018, 11:56:59 PM
Will do, Steve. You’re the boss.

Yeah, he has a plaque on his desk that says,"Here's the Boss"......with an arrow that points toward his wife.   ;D

I see you've been here. She never lets me forget it either.

The man is the head of the household....and the wife is the neck that turns it! :D
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on October 12, 2018, 11:57:26 PM

Hi CRTDI - I too have that Easco set. But I have the 1104 instead of the 1103 in your set. Frankly, I’d prefer the 1103, but I take what I can get. I also have a rather unconventional Easco 1/4 set with a ratcheting screwdriver.

Nice set! Seems odd to me that the supposedly newer ratchet design would go backwards with the model number designation. Really digging the ratcheting screwdriver, never seen this before.

A little Easco set I have, don't remember if I posted already or not.

Wow!..some more vintage Easco. Those little round head ratchets are nice. I believe Easco was the supplier of this style ratchet for Craftsman.

Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on October 13, 2018, 12:05:23 AM
I never heard that before. But I suppose if the neck fits...
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on October 13, 2018, 12:14:34 AM
My one and only Plvmb set. Not even sure if the pieces are correct for this style of box, but I reeeeally do like these the little red boxes.... ;D

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/Stromberg%20Plomb/IMG_0859_zps02ugl5ii.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/Stromberg%20Plomb/IMG_0860_zpsddyfakca.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/Stromberg%20Plomb/IMG_0861_zpsusfe2xbe.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/Stromberg%20Plomb/IMG_0862_zpsedggh3rm.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/Stromberg%20Plomb/IMG_0863_zpsam09lj4k.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/Stromberg%20Plomb/IMG_0864_zpsqkmwdjsb.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/Stromberg%20Plomb/IMG_0866_zpsx3eo5hmh.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/Stromberg%20Plomb/IMG_0867_zpskvbdwwkg.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/Stromberg%20Plomb/IMG_0868_zps3jg4ja4l.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/Stromberg%20Plomb/IMG_0869_zpsjk5hb5n6.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/Stromberg%20Plomb/IMG_0870_zpsvh6wxrko.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/Stromberg%20Plomb/IMG_0871_zps3lz2vggy.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/Stromberg%20Plomb/IMG_0872_zpslze3ren2.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/Stromberg%20Plomb/IMG_0874_zps6llxrulr.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/benzster1/Stromberg%20Plomb/IMG_0875_zpswkyo6tcq.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on October 13, 2018, 12:24:43 AM
That set is a beauty.

I am pleasantly surprised at how many of these Plomb sets turn up.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on October 13, 2018, 12:28:33 AM
Outstanding CRTDI. Yours is a 1940 Plomb set in mint condition. I really love these early Plomb sets, the first being 1935. I believe your 1940 ratchet was the first gear change over from the the removable gear drive versions. I’ll post one tomorrow.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on October 13, 2018, 12:30:40 AM
That set is a beauty.

I am pleasantly surprised at how many of these Plomb sets turn up.

Yours is a beauty too, Steve. What year is it? The sockets and ratchet should have a date code on them.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on October 13, 2018, 12:56:26 AM
I will have to check. They are stored away neatly and I have to get them out.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on October 13, 2018, 01:13:56 AM
I love how well divided and organized that PLOMB set is, I'm one of the most messy people you'll ever meet except where my tools are concerned and I really appreciate a well organized ratchet set.
I have no problem leaving the workbench covered in junk until I get tired of the clutter and dump everything into a 5 gal bucket, but I don't like digging in a box or drawer for a tool.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: d42jeep on October 13, 2018, 07:04:12 AM
Outstanding CRTDI. Yours is a 1940 Plomb set in mint condition. I really love these early Plomb sets, the first being 1935. I believe your 1940 ratchet was the first gear change over from the the removable gear drive versions. I’ll post one tomorrow.
I’m curious about how you dated that set at 1940? Although the tools are early (I thought I saw some ‘41 date codes), I would have guessed at the red box being postwar.
-Don
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on October 13, 2018, 08:21:08 AM
Your right Don. Upon further inspection, the ratchet is 1941 vintage. From that, I’m convinced the set is from 1941. My old eyes aren’t what they used to be.  I’ll post my 1940 set again showing the ratchet design for that and earlier years. The red boxes of that style were all pre war. I’ll post some red boxes of the post war period up to 1947 - 1948 as well as sets from 1935. And I’ll describe the subtle differences in the sets based on the Plomb catalogs. If what I describe is wrong, please let me know. Thanks.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Uncle Buck on October 13, 2018, 11:04:41 AM
What is it with Cornwell? They are an old company, and they seem to make pretty good stuff and have a decent following. Yet I rarely see them in the wild, and I don't even see their trucks that often (compared to Snap-On and Matco at least). Do they just not advertize or what?

They keep a very low profile and will only sell through the dealers. They won't sell to you even if you don't have a dealer. I see ratchets at the swaps on occasion and once in a great while a wrench or socket but almost never a set. There was a Cornwell dealer at Long Beach a couple times but I think he was liquidating.

It seems SK is correct


the first rule of cornwell.........there is no cornwell..... :-X

If what you say is true, then I am thankful for not having any Cornwell. If they are that elusive, exclusive and impossible to deal with then that takes them beyond the realm of Snap-On or Mac. Why would I want tools that are impossible to find a dealer for and unless you work at one of their stops then you are SOL? No thanks.....
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: strik9 on October 13, 2018, 12:22:29 PM
Beyond that the little expisure I have to Corny is they are average yo Bonney at best. 

     Why work harder to get stuff that has many equals out in the market?

  There is a 14 mm combo in my work kit that as soon as I find a proper replacement will be in the sale bag.   Meanwhilr I am squeezing two bucks out of it.

    Some love Corny or Bonney (or possibly any other brand out there) and can state the reasons.  I found my faves elseplace but cannot deny that nearly everything that is not Oxwall is a usable tool and someone swears by them.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on October 13, 2018, 01:20:21 PM
UB I think that's why the Cornwell stuff is so hard to find. Even people at the stops know as soon as they go elsewhere their connection to the brand is gone.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on October 13, 2018, 01:39:53 PM
I found these pix of the Cornwell dealer at Long Beach swap. I am pretty sure he was liquidating his stuff. I have seen a truck a couple times on the streets but this is as close as I've ever been to one.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1971/45246442962_9e985fd25c_z.jpg)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1901/44383391335_e40d5f0878_z.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on October 13, 2018, 03:56:51 PM
Here are some very early Plomb 1/4 sets. As shown on the photos, from upper left to bottom right are 1935, 1936, 1937 and 1938. Based on a review of the catalogs, I believe 1935 was the year of Plomb’s first 1/4 drive tools and 1938 was Plomb’s introduction to 1/4 ratchets. Plomb also offered midget wrenches and pliers as part of the sets.

The tools generally came in 4795 boxes and the early ones did not have a raised lip on the upper cover. I think the lip appears in the boxes made in 1939 and beyond with a brief exception in the late years of WWII.



Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on October 13, 2018, 03:59:39 PM
More pics.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on October 13, 2018, 05:15:14 PM
I've never seen the 3/8 drive plug before. I always wondered why a drive plug and reverse now it kind of makes makes sense. Those sets are great Cruiser - but everything you post is exceptional.

Thanks for posting all this.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: slip knot on October 13, 2018, 05:19:52 PM
Theres a Cornwell dealer here. Really nice guy too, Til he gets on a race track, that dude can flat drive a limited dirt car.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: d42jeep on October 13, 2018, 07:35:25 PM
Your right Don. Upon further inspection, the ratchet is 1941 vintage. From that, I’m convinced the set is from 1941. My old eyes aren’t what they used to be.  I’ll post my 1940 set again showing the ratchet design for that and earlier years. The red boxes of that style were all pre war. I’ll post some red boxes of the post war period up to 1947 - 1948 as well as sets from 1935. And I’ll describe the subtle differences in the sets based on the Plomb catalogs. If what I describe is wrong, please let me know. Thanks.
I appreciate the information. Thanks!
-Don
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on October 13, 2018, 08:25:30 PM
Your right Don. Upon further inspection, the ratchet is 1941 vintage. From that, I’m convinced the set is from 1941. 

Nice...really wasn't expecting this set to be so early.

Here are some very early Plomb 1/4 sets. As shown on the photos, from upper left to bottom right are 1935, 1936, 1937 and 1938. Based on a review of the catalogs, I believe 1935 was the year of Plomb’s first 1/4 drive tools and 1938 was Plomb’s introduction to 1/4 ratchets. Plomb also offered midget wrenches and pliers as part of the sets.

The tools generally came in 4795 boxes and the early ones did not have a raised lip on the upper cover. I think the lip appears in the boxes made in 1939 and beyond with a brief exception in the late years of WWII.

Thanks for the education on these!  Really like the plug ratchet and wrench set.

I'm Plomb stupid... :-[  So...my stupid question is....    Where do the rounded corner boxes fit into the history here? I always just assumed these were either very early or war time examples. 
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on October 13, 2018, 08:51:06 PM
Indestro Select

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Indestro%20Cman%20Set/IMG_7654_zpsd18a60c1.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Indestro%20Cman%20Set/IMG_7657_zps6acd7d9f.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Indestro%20Cman%20Set/IMG_7667_zps0c80798c.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Indestro%20Cman%20Set/IMG_7669_zps82c820cc.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Indestro%20Cman%20Set/IMG_7670_zpsdc2942b8.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Indestro%20Cman%20Set/IMG_7671_zps458ad853.jpg)

And with a few extras..

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Indestro%20Cman%20Set/IMG_7676_zps3a9d0132.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Indestro%20Cman%20Set/IMG_7680_zpsce21f895.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on October 13, 2018, 09:16:42 PM
Now that is an awesome indestro set, I could easily see putting that to work.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: bmwrd0 on October 13, 2018, 11:21:29 PM
Your right Don. Upon further inspection, the ratchet is 1941 vintage. From that, I’m convinced the set is from 1941. 

Nice...really wasn't expecting this set to be so early.

Here are some very early Plomb 1/4 sets. As shown on the photos, from upper left to bottom right are 1935, 1936, 1937 and 1938. Based on a review of the catalogs, I believe 1935 was the year of Plomb’s first 1/4 drive tools and 1938 was Plomb’s introduction to 1/4 ratchets. Plomb also offered midget wrenches and pliers as part of the sets.

The tools generally came in 4795 boxes and the early ones did not have a raised lip on the upper cover. I think the lip appears in the boxes made in 1939 and beyond with a brief exception in the late years of WWII.

Thanks for the education on these!  Really like the plug ratchet and wrench set.

I'm Plomb stupid... :-[  So...my stupid question is....    Where do the rounded corner boxes fit into the history here? I always just assumed these were either very early or war time examples.
I think the rounded corners are the last Plomb models, as the Proto LA boxes had rounded corners. I think this pic should show the progression:
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1902/44343943475_1734c6e8a0_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2aywitz)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on October 13, 2018, 11:34:43 PM
Hi bmwrd0  -  there are a few box types in between. I’ll post them soon.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: bmwrd0 on October 14, 2018, 10:58:17 AM
Cool Cruiser!
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Uncle Buck on October 14, 2018, 11:52:30 AM
Indestro Select

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Indestro%20Cman%20Set/IMG_7654_zpsd18a60c1.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Indestro%20Cman%20Set/IMG_7657_zps6acd7d9f.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Indestro%20Cman%20Set/IMG_7667_zps0c80798c.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Indestro%20Cman%20Set/IMG_7669_zps82c820cc.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Indestro%20Cman%20Set/IMG_7670_zpsdc2942b8.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Indestro%20Cman%20Set/IMG_7671_zps458ad853.jpg)

And with a few extras..

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Indestro%20Cman%20Set/IMG_7676_zps3a9d0132.jpg)

(http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/BENZSTER-1/Indestro%20Cman%20Set/IMG_7680_zpsce21f895.jpg)

I think this set might have changed later to a tan hammertone colored box and the set was offered with just the sockets and a nut driver. At least that was how the Indestro set that I bought my pops around 1977-78 was. Maybe I just found the bare bones set, no telling.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on October 14, 2018, 12:25:46 PM
Uncle Buck does your father still have that set?
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: strik9 on October 14, 2018, 01:48:29 PM
A cobbled back CM 16 piece set from about 1937.    That is the CM logo in the top.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: strik9 on October 14, 2018, 01:54:18 PM
Same box as the CM and the Indestro with all the other CM sockets in every varient not used in the set.  These used to belong to Bonneyman a few years ago.  The boxes came out of SoCal.   

    It is odd it got sprayed nearly the same blue as the Indestro set. 

   Just odd bits here in duplicate.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Uncle Buck on October 14, 2018, 02:08:16 PM
Uncle Buck does your father still have that set?

Yes he does. I later gave him a ratchet and few other bits and pieces to round the set out. Funny, my dad did a lot of his own wrenching and had few tools really, no 1/4" no 3/8" and no deep sockets in any drive. How he did as much as he did is beyond me.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on October 14, 2018, 02:56:05 PM
Strik9, I love that Craftsman set! Reminds me of a time when “made in America” really meant something. That Hella box is sweet too.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: strik9 on October 14, 2018, 03:08:30 PM
The Hella stickers are cut from the brand of oil sold a VW specialists here.   Its a dumb joke I like too much.   
 I repainted both boxes blue from rusty bare saving only the interior of the CM box as original.  I am sure the Hella box was once Indestro labeled.

    Bottom feeding on the lowest grade stuff allows me to change things a bit and not reduce value.  Rust pits and damaged stuff is cheap.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on October 14, 2018, 03:09:08 PM
Other than Proto tools, I really don’t look for or use many other brands. Most times, the other brands find me. And I’m always a sucker for good American tools. Such is the case with this Wright socket set. We don’t see many Wright tools here in the land of Aloha, so when I saw this at the swap meet, I grabbed it. Luckily, folks around here don’t how good they are, so Wright tools are priced at about the same as USA Craftsman.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on October 14, 2018, 03:25:21 PM
The Hella stickers are cut from the brand of oil sold a VW specialists here.   Its a dumb joke I like too much.   
 I repainted both boxes blue from rusty bare saving only the interior of the CM box as original.  I am sure the Hella box was once Indestro labeled.

    Bottom feeding on the lowest grade stuff allows me to change things a bit and not reduce value.  Rust pits and damaged stuff is cheap.

Joke or not Strik9, I like that Hella box. I have a soft spot for all things Hella. They make top quality electrical items that meet the test of time. I’ve experienced this first hand in a marine environment.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: bonneyman on October 14, 2018, 07:51:04 PM
Here's the bulk of my Bonney 1/4" drive collection, sitting in a restored S-K box. All SAE, 12 pt. Loc-Rite, except the deeps sitting in front of the box (which are 6 pts).
3/16" to 7/16" deeps, 1/2" shallow.
Do you think I have enough extensions?  :D
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on October 14, 2018, 07:54:30 PM
Sweet!!!
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on October 14, 2018, 08:30:25 PM
Uncle Buck it's great your dad still has the set.

That he could do what he did with limited tools shows he knows his tools and understands how to use them.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: d42jeep on October 16, 2018, 03:17:04 AM
I was updating my wartime 3/8” drive Duro/D-I set yesterday evening so I took some pictures of the 1/4” drive sets. They are always a work in progress and it isn’t always easy finding the WW2 pieces. The upper left set is the best one since it has the remains of an almost impossible to find wartime Duro spinner. The lower right cad finish set isn’t too bad with it’s unmarked spinner.
-Don
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: d42jeep on October 16, 2018, 03:49:34 AM
As I was going through this thread from the beginning and enjoying everybody’s beautiful 1/4” drive sets, I noticed that there was a question about ratchets for 1/4” drive Brazil sets. It is a long term project of mine to eventually put together a Brazil set but I still need a Brazil marked box and several sockets. Here is what I have so far.
-Don
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: DeadNutz on October 16, 2018, 10:05:29 AM
More great stuff from everybody here. I really like the Wright set Cruiser.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on October 16, 2018, 04:29:34 PM
Thanks DeadNutz - I just was lucky in finding it.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on October 16, 2018, 04:38:15 PM
This Proto Flying Lady 4796 box is housing my go to SAE set in 1/4. I took the basic set and added tools that I need to do required work on projects. I found and included some Plomb midget DBE wrenches that have been invaluable in many cases.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on October 16, 2018, 04:39:31 PM
Proto and Plomb midget DBE wrenches.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on October 16, 2018, 04:43:39 PM
That looks like the perfect set, I can't think of anything I would add to such a set if it was mine.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: DeadNutz on October 16, 2018, 04:50:19 PM
Hickory n Steel sent me this 9/32dr Plomb extension so my CM midget set doesn't look incomplete anymore. It is a WF-5 and 5-1/2" OAL and has a small capital "A" after the "5" which I imagine is the date code. This will fill in until I locate the elusive Craftsman C-95 6" extension. Thanks HnS.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on October 16, 2018, 04:51:03 PM
Hi H&S, it took quite a while for me to put it together. You can put together the same thing by being patient and persistent. Check all the swap meets, garage sales, Craig’s list and eBay. With time, you’ll be there. It’s fun too. Good luck to you, my friend.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on October 16, 2018, 05:45:51 PM
Hi H&S, it took quite a while for me to put it together. You can put together the same thing by being patient and persistent. Check all the swap meets, garage sales, Craig’s list and eBay. With time, you’ll be there. It’s fun too. Good luck to you, my friend.
I may eventually want a larger more inclusive set at some point, and when I do this may be the kind of set I come up with.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on October 16, 2018, 05:47:09 PM
Hickory n Steel sent me this 9/32dr Plomb extension so my CM midget set doesn't look incomplete anymore. It is a WF-5 and 5-1/2" OAL and has a small capital "A" after the "5" which I imagine is the date code. This will fill in until I locate the elusive Craftsman C-95 6" extension. Thanks HnS.
Good to see it make an appearance, and I'm glad it'll make a good filler for now.
Good catch on the A, I'm not sure I ever noticed it.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: bmwrd0 on October 16, 2018, 06:49:28 PM
Not enough odd-balls here, especially those dressed in black!
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1942/45322649412_17e5afb1e0_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2c41qDS)
But what is in those cases? Surely something normal?
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1972/45373497311_2a75b32073_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2c8v2XM)
Well, Krauter is normal, sort of, right?
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1980/44459193065_596abb5e39_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2aJGZat)(
(Well, its all Krauter except the universal and one of the sockets...)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1950/44649061034_645d61ddc1_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2b2u7i9)
Wait, what does that say? Hinsdale? (I know, its 9/32. Wadda you gonna do...) pretty rare!
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1957/31497856608_b01c2b2fda_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/PZmKpf)
What the heck is that?
(PEC - Products Equipment Company. They make measuring equipment. Still around but no sets like this. I threw the Snap-on industrial M70 in because it looked perfect. It sits in one of my machinist chests, as I am sure it did before.)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: slip knot on October 16, 2018, 06:54:59 PM
very cool. the 9/32 Hinsdale is a first for me. never seen that one before.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on October 17, 2018, 01:18:03 PM
That PEC breaker bar looks like it has a nice large grip for it's size.
That Kreauter ratchet looks awesome as well.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on October 17, 2018, 01:40:22 PM
The Kraueter is an interesting design but in all honesty not the most comfortable to use especially for long periods of time.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on October 17, 2018, 02:43:37 PM
The Kraueter is an interesting design but in all honesty not the most comfortable to use especially for long periods of time.
Is the handle fluted down the center or something ?
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: DeadNutz on October 17, 2018, 03:01:50 PM
The Kraueter is an interesting design but in all honesty not the most comfortable to use especially for long periods of time.
Is the handle fluted down the center or something ?


Yes and I don't really care to use the 3/8 ratchet I have.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on October 17, 2018, 03:15:01 PM
The Kraueter is an interesting design but in all honesty not the most comfortable to use especially for long periods of time.
Is the handle fluted down the center or something ?


Yes and I don't really care to use the 3/8 ratchet I have.
That doesn't sound too comfortable, I'd probably put a piece of tubing over it.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: bonneyman on October 17, 2018, 03:24:18 PM
Whenever I start to complain about the older Craftsman ratchet handles I remember the Krauter's and button my lip.

Which ain't easy for an old cranky Pollack. :D

One of use needs to come up with a custom-made grooved sleeve that every Krauter owner can buy and slip on.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on October 17, 2018, 06:55:56 PM

Is the handle fluted down the center or something ?

On both top and bottom. Otherwise it's a great ratchet.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on October 27, 2018, 12:52:43 AM
bmw, Nice Hinsdale set. That's a brand that I haven't collected...yet.... >:D

Here's an R.T.E.C. partial set with a no name (suspected to be Plomb) ratchet.

(https://preview.ibb.co/ee4xyA/IMG-1198-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fCeVJA)
(https://preview.ibb.co/hcEmrV/IMG-1200-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/d9umrV)
(https://preview.ibb.co/cCx6rV/IMG-1201-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ijjVJA)
(https://preview.ibb.co/gF0RrV/IMG-1202-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k6UKBV)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on October 27, 2018, 02:29:08 AM
I think it's pretty safe to call that a Plomb WF-8-S assuming it's 1/4 and not 9/32.

Absolutely beautiful set.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: d42jeep on October 27, 2018, 06:39:01 AM
Here is an RTEC 1/4” spinner I sent to a friend for his set. It was unmarked but matched the spinner in other Randolph sets. Somewhere I have a pair of ignition pliers.
-Don
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: GNAP on October 27, 2018, 08:34:19 AM
I feel so inadequate, 1200+ ratchets, probably a ton or more of sockets, but not a single set of any size, I could make quite a few, but not actual factory sets.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: d42jeep on October 27, 2018, 09:14:10 AM
Many of my sets are totally made from an empty box and collected tools. I spend a lot of time checking the old catalogs for accuracy.
-Don
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: bonneyman on October 27, 2018, 09:58:17 AM
Many of my sets are totally made from an empty box and collected tools. I spend a lot of time checking the old catalogs for accuracy.
-Don

Yep, that how the sickness starts. One or two tools and a box and you're off to the races!  :o
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Davethorik on October 28, 2018, 07:29:42 AM
Whenever I start to complain about the older Craftsman ratchet handles I remember the Krauter's and button my lip.

Which ain't easy for an old cranky Pollack. :D

One of use needs to come up with a custom-made grooved sleeve that every Krauter owner can buy and slip on.

I don't know if it matters but this style Kraeuter is more comfortable than the I-beam style. (Example shown is 3/8)

One funny bit, I don't know if I've ever seen this style in a Kraeuter set. Just loose, and they're way less common. Not really sure what the story is.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on October 28, 2018, 11:40:47 AM
That is a totally new one to me. I think just about anything would be more comfortable than the I beam handle.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: d42jeep on October 28, 2018, 08:57:52 PM
Here is an RTEC 1/4” spinner I sent to a friend for his set. It was unmarked but matched the spinner in other Randolph sets. Somewhere I have a pair of ignition pliers.
-Don
I found the ignition pliers. Here are a couple of pictures.
-Don
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: bmwrd0 on October 29, 2018, 07:16:40 PM
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1973/45624539031_26b1cd9a50_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2cvFFVi)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1904/45624535321_6cfee68808_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2cvFEPk)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1908/44899932354_7a17402686_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2bpDTAJ)
Found it at an architectural salvage place in the bay area, minus the ratchet, for a couple bucks. Had everything you see there, but it was unmarked. Well, I had a Duro 1/4 unmarked ratchet floating around, so it seemed natural to put them together. Doesn't hurt that they are probably Duro anyway.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: d42jeep on October 29, 2018, 09:15:48 PM
Is there any chance of seeing a side view of the sockets? I’m not sure that they are Duro. I think your non-reversing unmarked ratchet is Indestro. The Duro ones are generally marked. The heads on both brands are the same.
-Don
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on October 29, 2018, 09:34:51 PM
Hi d42jeep! Long time no talk to! I was looking to see if Mr. Lauver had updated his Craftsman production code list and landed here. Looks like the site's got a new name - had to re-register!

RE: That RTEC set above: I have one of those. Still looking for a decent copy of the 1/4" drive spinner handle. I did manage to find a pair of those cute little ignition pliers. Not sure if the pliers were actually original to the set. I suppose Private Lugnutz might be able to shed a bit more light on that one.

RE: That Plomb ratchet in the RTEC set: I received an Oxwall set with that same ratchet - no markings other than an "O" forged into the handle. I thought the "O" was for Oxwall - shows you how much I know about Plomb. I've had more than one person (who presumably knew what they were talking about) identify it as a Plomb.

RE: The 2888 ratchet just above (patent 1902878): It is a 2888 Indestro "Midget" model. As d42jeep notes, the Duro-Chrome equivalent had the "Duro Chrome" name forged into the handle.
You'll need to show the sides of the sockets in order to be able to determine whether or not they are Duro/Indestro made - it's pretty easy to tell if they are.

Interesting thread. The 1/4" drive sets are one of my primary focuses. I suppose I'll have to check back in here when I have time. Still pretty much tangled up with other stuff at present.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: d42jeep on October 29, 2018, 09:39:36 PM
It’s good to see you back, four.cycle! I hope thing are going well for you.
-Don
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on October 29, 2018, 09:41:59 PM
here's that Oxwall set with the Plomb ratchet. not a bad deal for $9.99 + shipping.

Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on October 29, 2018, 09:44:57 PM
thanks Don! how many more posts do I have to put up before I don't have to do this whacky "verify" thing? I have a hell of a time trying to read those tiny letters!

we got lots and lots of 1/4" drive sets here... this is a no-brainer... this little Walden set is pretty snazzy....

BK

Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on October 29, 2018, 09:46:57 PM
one more? will I still have to do the "verify" thing here now?

fabulous old POWR-KRAFT set made by Wright Tool:


Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on October 29, 2018, 09:53:03 PM
yay! no more "verify"! okay... let's drop one more here before I have to go cook dinner....

a few that I can easily find the photos of:



Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: d42jeep on October 29, 2018, 10:48:05 PM
Those are great! I really like the brand choices.
-Don
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on October 29, 2018, 11:31:57 PM
You have me drooling over some of this stuff. I am knocked out by some of it. Hope you have more to post.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on October 30, 2018, 12:14:12 AM
The brand choices were determined by those I already have photos for that I can find.
Here's that RTEC (Randolph Tool Equipment Company) set I mentioned previously. The spinner is wonky - need to find a replacement for it.

Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on October 30, 2018, 12:18:14 AM
I cannot remember exactly why, but I also have these two photos in that folder showing the RTEC sockets lined up next to their New Britain equivalents.
I'm guessing we were probably discussing who was OE for RTEC, as it seems they were not a primary manufacturer. (Another one that Private Lugnutz was digging into as they were a military/government contract supplier during WWII, as I recall.)

While the knurling appears similar, obviously the broaching is completely different.

Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on October 30, 2018, 12:22:19 AM
This is another KAL (US) model 501 1/4" drive set in a blow-mold box. I think I have at least six or eight of these KAL sets now. Note the ratchet is just a wee bit different than the one I posted above.

Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on October 30, 2018, 12:27:27 AM
Late production Thorsen (TTC - "Thorsen Tool Company)(most likely after their move to Dallas) set in a blow-mold box. Ten bucks on a Craigslist ad. Had to drive to Seattle to pick it up. Never used. Go figure.

Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on October 30, 2018, 12:33:13 AM
Another Walden 1/4" drive "Migit" set - earlier production than the one above - "Walden Worcester" - mostly plain steel - not plated. I'm assuming the universal was an add-on.
No idea why I developed such an affinity for Walden - like the KAL/Proamerica, I must have at least a half dozen of these "Migit" sets:



Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on October 30, 2018, 01:18:34 AM
WOW! cycle, super nice sets! I really like the first Stevens Walden set. I think that's about as nice as they get. The Powr-kraft is cool as well.

Cruiser posted his challenger set earlier in the thread and commented about the Penens marked tools found in these. Here's my Challenger set...and sure enough all the pieces are marked as Penens too.

(https://preview.ibb.co/hkSfQ0/IMG-9459.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bMNEk0)
(https://preview.ibb.co/nCXfQ0/IMG-9461.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cR6UJL)
(https://preview.ibb.co/f3uuk0/IMG-9462.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dOaOdL)
(https://preview.ibb.co/dhYbyL/IMG-9465.jpg) (https://ibb.co/iN3yCf)
(https://preview.ibb.co/kEwwyL/IMG-9466.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dmP5sf)
(https://preview.ibb.co/cCkOdL/IMG-9467.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kn0BXf)
(https://preview.ibb.co/fkOyCf/IMG-9468.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ia89JL)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on October 30, 2018, 01:23:07 AM
You have excellent taste. Right up there with Cruiser, bmwrd0, d42, CRTDI and a lot of others I haven't mentioned.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on October 30, 2018, 01:23:55 AM
... Here's my Challenger set...and sure enough all the pieces are marked as Pennens too.

Quite exceptional!
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on October 30, 2018, 02:16:45 AM
J.A.F.E. - on August 28 you posted a Thorsen set and noted you were not sure if the box was original. Indeed, that "Pontiac Blue" hammertone-finish paint was the original box to that set. (I believe it was a model 1416 set.) Members Cruiser808 and Uncle Buck also confirmed this. The part number was on a sticker affixed to the end of the box.

CRTDI - on August 30 (post #75) - those "Brazil" sets are fabulous! I do not believe I've ever seen any 1/4" sets that were complete. And if those weren't cool enough, you follow up with a "Nuggies" set in a perfect box! You seem to have managed to acquire some fabulous examples - too many to mention.

On Sept. 22 (post #187) you posted a New Britain made Penncraft set containing two 3632 ratchets. I have one of those sets - complete with spinner handle - and one partial set containing only a few sockets. I'm curious as to whether or not you've ever seen a catalog illustration of that particular set which might show exactly what it contained originally.

On Oct. 1 (post #225) you posted a couple "Companion" sets. Has anyone figured out who made that 1/4" drive open-gear ratchet? It is definitely not the same as the Thorsen 77M. (I don't own any P&C so I can't make a comparison here.) Mr. Lauver posits it may have been outsourced from Western Forge. It does not look anything like the Indestro model 6070 that Uncle Buck speculates on. (photo below)
On that second set with all the ignition wrenches, screwdriver, and feeler gauges - was that original or was that cobbled together like that?

On Oct. 1 (post #226) you posted a "Blue Grass" set. The model 2400 ratchet is definitely Wright - I have at least one set with that fat-handled re-branded Wright 2400 in it (although I cannot recall at the moment what brand. see the "Powr Kraft" set on the previous page.) The box looks almost like the New Britain made Penncraft box.

Cruiser808 - On Sept. 02 (post #83) You posted a "Fleet" set, and CRTDI inquired in the next post as to whether the pieces were stamped "Fleet". I have a "Fleet" 1/4" set here, and all the pieces are stamped "Fleet". Mine must be a later production set, though, as it contains a RHFT ratchet and is in a molded plastic box. The pieces look similar to the set you posted on Sept. 29 (post #209) but mine isn't in the steel box with the molded insert - mine's an all-plastic box (which unfortunately was subjected to too much heat and won't close properly now.)

d42jeep - on Oct. 4 (post #260) you posted your Plomb NAF set. Curious as to whether you saw what that one recently went for on Ebay.
Do you think you've got enough Walden sets there?

Uncle Buck - on Oct. 14 (post #346) You commented on the color of the box of CRTDI's S6101 Indestro "Select" set (which interestingly contains the original 6073 "Select" spinner.) The early (1960s) versions were in the light-blue hammertone painted box. Later (1970s) they went to the copper-colored hammertone box. Indestro "Classic" was also packaged in the copper-colored box. The "Super" sets were packed in red boxes.

CRTDI - On Oct. 28 (post #402) - you posted an older "Challenger" model 2303 set and noted the pieces are marked "Penens". Somewhere around here I have a "Penens" set that contains that same ratchet with the knurled full-circle selector knob. No idea where it is right now. I'm digging in a box here through more Walden, None Better, Fleet, Firestone, Penncraft, and New Britain, among others.

Again, I've been occupied with other things for several months, so I've kind of been out of the loop. I'm sorry to hear about the site having gone down and the data being lost. Apparently twertsy has had some problems at ToolArchives as well.
The photos above are just those that I can find easily at the moment. I'm not sure if I have photos of other sets or not.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on October 30, 2018, 02:27:29 AM
Thread title is "1/4 Drive Sets".
Nobody mentioned keeping within the parameters of 1/4" square drive sets, and I've noticed at least one or two 9/32" drive sets posted, so I'm going to take the liberty of including a few 1/4" hex drive sets.
I would never have imagined when I got into this "collector" thing a few years ago I'd have such a fascination with what are commonly considered the "low end" of the tool world, but some of these have some pretty fascinating history behind them:

Reginald F. Sedgley pretty much led the pack. His 1918 patent (patent 1289558) was used later by New Britain and others under license. Later Sedgley got out of the tool business and started doing custom work on firearms, for which he's much better known.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on October 30, 2018, 02:32:51 AM
The ubiquitous Indestro model 350 "Vest Pocket" 1/4" hex drive set (patent 2065340) - early versions are stamped "Pat Pend" on the "ell" handle. This is the only one I have a photograph of at the moment.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on October 30, 2018, 02:38:03 AM
Keystone model 250 8-pc 1/4" hex drive set

Keystone Manufacturing, 41-63 Chandler St., Buffalo, N.Y. / http://toolarchives.com/node/572 / http://alloy-artifacts.org/other-makers-p2.html#keystone / patent 1696444

(not to be confused with Keystone Drop Forge Co.)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on October 30, 2018, 02:43:14 AM
After clicking through all the folders I found one more 1/4" square drive set. This old (and incomplete) Craftsman =V= set belonged to my late step-father.
I rounded up the missing pieces from various sources, but they haven't been reunited yet.

I only got the day off because the weather is so crappy here right now. I think I'm going to be repainting the inside of a garage and hauling off a ripped-up asphalt driveway for the rest of the week.

Cheers!
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: d42jeep on October 30, 2018, 06:18:31 AM


d42jeep - on Oct. 4 (post #260) you posted your Plomb NAF set. Curious as to whether you saw what that one recently went for on Ebay.
Do you think you've got enough Walden sets there?

The gentleman that ended up with that amazing set, “Tin Medic”, is a buddy of mine and we were in communication during the bidding process. He actually is the one that alerted me to the eBay listing of the one I have. In case he was unsuccessful in buying it, I took pictures of the set and the extremely rare NAF marked tools that it contained, missing only the 3/8” socket. Here are those pictures.
-Don
PS.... I may have a slight Walden set problem. I am continually on the search for a dark finish, knurled, 6 point 7/16” socket that I know exists but have been unable to locate.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on October 30, 2018, 06:31:25 AM
Four.cycle those Indestro ratchets look new - amazing.

d42 that set is very cool.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on October 30, 2018, 09:16:07 AM

CRTDI - on August 30 (post #75) - those "Brazil" sets are fabulous! I do not believe I've ever seen any 1/4" sets that were complete. And if those weren't cool enough, you follow up with a "Nuggies" set in a perfect box! You seem to have managed to acquire some fabulous examples - too many to mention.

Thanks! The Nuggies set tested the outer limits of my OCD... :(  It is one of my favs though.

On Sept. 22 (post #187) you posted a New Britain made Penncraft set containing two 3632 ratchets. I have one of those sets - complete with spinner handle - and one partial set containing only a few sockets. I'm curious as to whether or not you've ever seen a catalog illustration of that particular set which might show exactly what it contained originally.

I don't have a catalog reference for this particular set. Sometimes you just got to wing it.


On Oct. 1 (post #225) you posted a couple "Companion" sets. Has anyone figured out who made that 1/4" drive open-gear ratchet? It is definitely not the same as the Thorsen 77M. (I don't own any P&C so I can't make a comparison here.) Mr. Lauver posits it may have been outsourced from Western Forge. It does not look anything like the Indestro model 6070 that Uncle Buck speculates on. (photo below)
On that second set with all the ignition wrenches, screwdriver, and feeler gauges - was that original or was that cobbled together like that?

That ratchet in my opinion, has some characteristics of a Thorsen, P&C and Indestro, but not produced by any of these manufacturers. Mr. Lauver is quite knowledegable in the Craftsman outsourced area.....so I'm going with his idea for now.

All of the Companion ignition items were added to that second set. Sometimes a little extra compliments the overall set.


On Oct. 1 (post #226) you posted a "Blue Grass" set. The model 2400 ratchet is definitely Wright - I have at least one set with that fat-handled re-branded Wright 2400 in it (although I cannot recall at the moment what brand. see the "Powr Kraft" set on the previous page.) The box looks almost like the New Britain made Penncraft box.

Yep, I believe this is the same rounded corner New Britain box that's been used for so many 1/4" sets. A good portion of my 1/4" sets seem to be New Britain derived with the same exact box.

Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on October 30, 2018, 12:55:21 PM


d42jeep - on Oct. 4 (post #260) you posted your Plomb NAF set. Curious as to whether you saw what that one recently went for on Ebay.
Do you think you've got enough Walden sets there?

The gentleman that ended up with that amazing set, “Tin Medic”, is a buddy of mine and we were in communication during the bidding process. He actually is the one that alerted me to the eBay listing of the one I have. In case he was unsuccessful in buying it, I took pictures of the set and the extremely rare NAF marked tools that it contained, missing only the 3/8” socket. Here are those pictures.
-Don
PS.... I may have a slight Walden set problem. I am continually on the search for a dark finish, knurled, 6 point 7/16” socket that I know exists but have been unable to locate.

Hi Don - love that Navy set. The T-handle and extension have a 0 stamped on them. That would indicate the set is 1940 vintage. Would you agree? Thanks.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on October 30, 2018, 02:18:07 PM
CRTDI - thanks. I was wondering if there was some full-blown Companion kit that contained all that stuff. I've got one of those (just sockets and drive tools) that's in cherry shape. Not a clue where it is right now.

J.A.F.E. - thanks. most of my Indestro is in pretty good shape. It's primarily what I focus on and I'm picky.

d42jeep - Interesting that you know the buyer of that NAF set, but I suppose that's to be expected. Funny thing about that: when it was first listed I showed it go my g/f and she asked "How much do you think it will go for?" My low estimate was $20 bucks off, and my high estimate was $10 bucks high.
I don't think I can afford to be a Plomb collector!

I thought all the black finish Walden sockets 11/32 and above were all 12-points ???


Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on October 30, 2018, 02:56:25 PM
I admire someone who can focus on a brand or brand family. I am kind of all over the map especially with 1/4 drive. And the small wrenches. And a couple other things.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on October 30, 2018, 03:08:55 PM
Quote from: J.A.F.E.
I am kind of all over the map especially with 1/4 drive.

Perhaps I should rephrase that. I try to stay focused primarily on Indestro. After that Thorsen, Giller, and Walden. But I find myself (as you) all over the place on 1/4" drive sets, as well as the truly obscure and little-known (i.e., the Sedgley set above.)

Here's the Penncraft set and the partial set. Mine includes a 3635 yellow-handled spinner handle with a square socket built into the butt end of it so it can be used as an extension:
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on October 30, 2018, 03:28:09 PM
Hi four.cycle. I too have a Walden set, but the case is different from yours. I don’t know much about this set. I found it at a local swap meet several years ago. Can you tell me what year this set was manufactured? Thanks.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on October 30, 2018, 03:31:38 PM
Another pic.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on October 30, 2018, 04:26:12 PM
Anyone have any information on this J.H. Williams set? Not really 1/4, but 9/32. I really like vintage Williams tools. I think this one is pre-war vintage. Thanks.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on October 30, 2018, 05:16:31 PM
Cruiser808 - I have no clue about vintage on that 1/4" Stevens Walden set. I do know that Walden was advertising them as early as 1944, as can be seen in the 1944 Motor Service magazine ad below. The early sets, however, were (for the most part, as I understand) plain steel finish, and the spinner handle was black and yellow (as can be seen in member d42jeep's examples above.)
Later they were offered in a variety of configurations - with different contents - as can be seen in the later catalog snip below. Unfortunately I do not have any idea what year that catalog was printed, but based on the graphics and font styles and the yellow handle on the spinner, my best wild guess would be 1960s (or possibly 1970s.)
(* Note that the 1944 "Migit" later became "Midget" *)
I have 1/4" Walden sets in that style box (that hinges at the end) in royal blue, red, forest green, and (presumably repainted) black. I may have one or two in that "Pontiac blue" hammertone, but I'm not sure. I know for sure I have 3/8" and 1/2" Walden sets in that color box, but again, I have no idea as to vintage.

Member d42jeep has been collecting Walden far longer than I have, and perhaps he has better insight as to vintage.

On the Williams set, I can offer nothing. I own an empty box similar to that, but I believe mine is from a model 1285. I picked it up because I thought the graphics inside the lid were fabulous. Williams is one brand I have not delved into thus far.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on October 30, 2018, 07:43:18 PM
Here's the Penncraft set and the partial set. Mine includes a 3635 yellow-handled spinner handle with a square socket built into the butt end of it so it can be used as an extension:

Nice looking Penncraft sets. This is the first time for me to see this particular spinner handle. Is it really that big? It appears to just barely fit in the set.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on October 30, 2018, 07:50:23 PM
Hi bmwrd0  -  there are a few box types in between. I’ll post them soon.

Cruiser, if you get time to post these, I am very interested in seeing the time line for the vintage Plomb sets.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on October 30, 2018, 08:59:29 PM
Quote from: CRTDI
Nice looking Penncraft sets. This is the first time for me to see this particular spinner handle. Is it really that big? It appears to just barely fit in the set.

The spinner is (at least from running searches on Ebay) rather uncommon. Yes, it really is that big and all those pieces just barely fit into that tiny box - they have to be arranged just so in order to get the lid to close.

Ebay seller bruceb440 has a partial Penncraft set listed right now containing only a ratchet and a few sockets. If you added those oddballs I have now, you'd still be shy the 1/4" and 5/16" sockets, though. Pretty difficult to find single pieces for those sets, which is why that second one I have is still incomplete - Ebay sellers think the stuff is solid platinum.

Speaking of barely being able to fit, I have more than one set that's somewhat a challenge to get into the box. Some leave all kinds of extra space, and some of them are like putting a puzzle together.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: d42jeep on October 30, 2018, 08:59:58 PM
Cruiser808 - I have no clue about vintage on that 1/4" Stevens Walden set. I do know that Walden was advertising them as early as 1944, as can be seen in the 1944 Motor Service magazine ad below. The early sets, however, were (for the most part, as I understand) plain steel finish, and the spinner handle was black and yellow (as can be seen in member d42jeep's examples above.)
Later they were offered in a variety of configurations - with different contents - as can be seen in the later catalog snip below. Unfortunately I do not have any idea what year that catalog was printed, but based on the graphics and font styles and the yellow handle on the spinner, my best wild guess would be 1960s (or possibly 1970s.)
(* Note that the 1944 "Migit" later became "Midget" *)
I have 1/4" Walden sets in that style box (that hinges at the end) in royal blue, red, forest green, and (presumably repainted) black. I may have one or two in that "Pontiac blue" hammertone, but I'm not sure. I know for sure I have 3/8" and 1/2" Walden sets in that color box, but again, I have no idea as to vintage.

Member d42jeep has been collecting Walden far longer than I have, and perhaps he has better insight as to vintage.

On the Williams set, I can offer nothing. I own an empty box similar to that, but I believe mine is from a model 1285. I picked it up because I thought the graphics inside the lid were fabulous. Williams is one brand I have not delved into thus far.
I wish I could be of more help but my primary interest is wartime tools. My best guess on your set would be ‘60s or ‘70s. Most of the postwar sets I see are in red boxes still hinged on the end but I see that four.cycle has several colors. Here is the postwar set that we keep in the kitchen closet and a similar ad to four.cycle’s.
In terms of the NAF tools my Navy catalog listing for that set is from ‘45 so I don’t think those are date codes.
-Don
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: GreyOwl on October 30, 2018, 11:41:20 PM
Do I need to have the prerequisite 5 posts in order to post pics? I see no option to add pics of my 1/4" Craftsman =v= set.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on October 31, 2018, 12:28:40 AM
I don't believe you need five. You should see the following to be able to attach.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on October 31, 2018, 12:29:22 AM
one of many Stevens Walden 1/4" drive sets - plated finish:
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on October 31, 2018, 12:30:55 AM
another Stevens Walden 1/4" drive set - this one's all six-points! I guess I never paid close attention to that little detail before on these.

Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on October 31, 2018, 12:32:49 AM
a partial Thorsen 1/4" drive set that came in a KAL blow-mold box:
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on October 31, 2018, 12:36:01 AM
a not quite complete S-K 1/4" drive set in the original (and very rough) box:
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on October 31, 2018, 01:21:51 AM
A Giller 1/4" drive set - I know there's a ratchet around here somewhere for this set - maybe even a u-joint - note the oddball Walden-style box that hinges at the end:


Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on October 31, 2018, 01:22:41 AM
d42 and cycle, I think you guys got the Stevens Walden market cornered... :-\

Snappy and SK thumb ratchet sets. I like the SK ratchet better than the Snappy. Just has a lot smoother action.

(https://preview.ibb.co/jAnWYL/IMG-4175.jpg) (https://ibb.co/chGfSf)
(https://preview.ibb.co/exHWYL/IMG-4176.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fjaJDL)
(https://preview.ibb.co/eo7b00/IMG-4177.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ccwEnf)
(https://preview.ibb.co/jZsyDL/IMG-4246.jpg) (https://ibb.co/g5XyDL)
(https://preview.ibb.co/es7LSf/IMG-4247.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fXRrYL)
(https://preview.ibb.co/hQ577f/IMG-4248.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kVGEnf)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on October 31, 2018, 01:25:02 AM
One of many KAL (US) 1/4" drive sets - not quite complete. What do you expect for $9 bucks including shipping? (No big deal - I have a bag full of u-joints and short extensions for these KAL sets.)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on October 31, 2018, 01:29:24 AM
This is the first Proamerica set I acquired. Proamerica is KAL's new name for consumer products. The KAL branded product that is still produced is strictly military/government contract stuff. This one has a couple KAL pieces in it (as well as having come in a KAL box.)
No idea why the plating oxidized so badly on the spinners in this set - none of the pieces look like they've ever been used.   This was a contract-produced set for the military - the NSN number says it's a "small arms repair kit".
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on October 31, 2018, 01:33:49 AM
This is (as near as I can tell) kind of a mish-mash of old Duro Chrome and Indestro - all "D I" period stuff - inexplicably in a "None Better" box that's in really great condition. I love it when Ebay sellers have absolutely no clue what they have.

Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on October 31, 2018, 01:36:03 AM
Quote from: CRTDI
Snappy and SK thumb ratchet sets. I like the SK ratchet better than the Snappy. Just has a lot smoother action.

I've got one of those S-K 49270 units around here somewhere. Never used it in the real world, but it did seem like it had a nice action.

Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on October 31, 2018, 01:37:56 AM
another (of probably far too many) Duro Chrome / Indestro 1/4" drive sets - this one's in an early Duro Chrome box, but unless I'm mistaken it's not a box for a 1/4" drive set. The sockets, like the set above are "D I" series.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on October 31, 2018, 01:41:30 AM
A Fleet 1/4" drive SAE set in a plastic box that unfortunately won't stay closed - warped because it was exposed to heat. I'm guessing that it might be missing a piece or two.

Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on October 31, 2018, 01:46:53 AM
JS Technology Inc., Alpharetta, Georgia - contract supplier for military/government. As with the KAL/Proamerica sets above, the NSN number calls this a "small arms repair kit". I do not believe that JS Technology actually manufactured any of these pieces, but I've never been able to figure out who the OE supplier was.
Some say S-K, but that Kilness-type clip ring on the drive side of the head certainly doesn't look like any S-K ratchets that I own.
Fit and finish on these is fabulous. I think I have three of these sets - all appear to be unused. Really nice action on the ratchet - similar feel to the 2426 Wright.

Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on October 31, 2018, 01:52:39 AM
Mustang 1/4" drive SAE set - made by New Britain Machine as a "price point" line. Cadmium plated. Note the wonky slide-top box. I did find a Mustang ratchet in a 1/4" drive, but the box is too small for the ratchet to fit in there. I'm guessing this was the low-end 1/4" drive set in their product line-up.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on October 31, 2018, 01:54:46 AM
Older New Britain 1/4" drive set with wooden-handled spinner. I am reasonably confident the box is original.

Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on October 31, 2018, 01:57:25 AM
A U.S. made Stanley 1/4" drive SAE set - all original (and as near as I can tell complete) - appears to have never been used.

Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on October 31, 2018, 02:01:49 AM
A U.S. made Truecraft 1/4" drive SAE set. The sockets are all 1/4" square drive. The bits are all 1/4" hex drive. The reversible ratcheting driver handle (with a storage compartment in the handle) and all the sockets are marked "U.S.A.". The bits have no markings other than their sizes.

Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on October 31, 2018, 02:05:45 AM
A Crescent "Give Wings to Work" 1/4" drive SAE set in the original box. Appears to be complete. The re-branded 2400 Wright ratchet is not original to the set - it was an add-on.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on October 31, 2018, 02:07:57 AM
A Firestone 1/4" drive SAE set. The exterior of the box is a little rough, but the tools are in fabulous condition. Everything is stamped "Firestone". Appears to be complete.

The sets I've posted this evening were those within easy reach on the top layer. I'm sure if I start digging I'll come up with more. No idea where the Indestro sets are, but I never did get out into the garage yet.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on October 31, 2018, 02:31:39 AM
Quote from: d42jeep
I am continually on the search for a dark finish, knurled, 6 point 7/16” socket that I know exists but have been unable to locate.

Take a look at that second Walden set I posted on the previous page - post #428 - I noticed all the sockets in that set are 6-points, but they're not "knurled" like some other Walden pieces.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: d42jeep on October 31, 2018, 03:39:25 AM
another (of probably far too many) Duro Chrome / Indestro 1/4" drive sets - this one's in an early Duro Chrome box, but unless I'm mistaken it's not a box for a 1/4" drive set. The sockets, like the set above are "D I" series.
Duro had two sizes of boxes that they used for the 1/4” drive sets. Both the large and small boxes are correct. Here a few sets with D-I sockets and Duro or Indestro drive tools.
-Don
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: d42jeep on October 31, 2018, 03:41:18 AM
Quote from: d42jeep
I am continually on the search for a dark finish, knurled, 6 point 7/16” socket that I know exists but have been unable to locate.

Take a look at that second Walden set I posted on the previous page - post #428 - I noticed all the sockets in that set are 6-points, but they're not "knurled" like some other Walden pieces.
Thanks. I took a close look. Email on the way!
-Don
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on October 31, 2018, 04:22:55 AM
RE: post 447 / small box at bottom:
I am assuming from the remnants of the decal that box is an original Duro Chrome box, correct?
I've got an early "D I" set somewhere here in a small box, but unless I'm mistaken the divider for the sockets is different than yours. (I might have my wires crossed there - it's been a while since I've seen it.)

RE: Walden 7/16" 6-point knurled socket: I emailed you the photo image - it's a crappy shot. I'll try to remember to dig that one out and reshoot it in the morning and send it down to you. They don't look knurled to me. More 'smooth wall" (like Oxwall.) Weird. I was pretty sure all my older Walden sets had that knurling about the perimeter. Go figure.

RE: Those two Duro / Indestro sets I posted above: I think they're both hodge-podge. I could be wrong. Both of them contain breakers clearly stamped " 2850 ".
I thought that was Indestro's part number. The 1940 Duro Chrome catalog shows the breaker as being a model 4550. Most of the sockets are stamped "D I".
A few are clearly stamped "Duro Chrome". Seems odd I'd have two sets that seem to be cobbled together. Maybe not.

I know there's more Walden here somewhere. I may well have that socket you're after. Probably just a matter of digging. All this stuff I posted today was just what was on the tops of the piles and easy to get at.

BK




Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: d42jeep on October 31, 2018, 11:17:28 AM
One would think that I would have found one of those sockets by now. It's certainly not for a lack of trying.
-Don
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on October 31, 2018, 11:48:33 AM
Holy moly!!!.....  :-\ :-\ :-\  That's quite the collection.... 8)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on October 31, 2018, 12:20:02 PM
cycle, RE: your previous posts.

Haven't seen the Giller set with the Walden style box before....that's pretty cool.
 
Digging the "DI "set in the None Better box....looks really nice. 

I've been jonesing for a Firestone set for quite a while but have come up empty....so super jealous.

You have a real interesting collection of later mixed history U.S.A. stuff that I myself would normally not collect. You've made me realize that I'm probably a 1/4" set snob. I might have to venture off the reservation for some enlightenment, but I don't believe I could ever consider a set in a blow molded case....I have a real disdain for these plastic space wasting cases.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on October 31, 2018, 12:30:30 PM
This keeps getting better and better to the point I am out of adjectives and superlatives for what you guys are posting. Most impressive is all I can say.

I really appreciate you posing all this.

Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on October 31, 2018, 12:37:30 PM
A U.S. made Truecraft 1/4" drive SAE set. The sockets are all 1/4" square drive. The bits are all 1/4" hex drive. The reversible ratcheting driver handle (with a storage compartment in the handle) and all the sockets are marked "U.S.A.". The bits have no markings other than their sizes.
That ratchet driver looks Western Forge to me, they made this exact driver with Craftsman handles Husky handles and I'm sure many others.
Tooth count isn't very high or anything but mine is nice and smooth and isn't stiff at all.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: GreyOwl on October 31, 2018, 01:16:57 PM
Can't seem to post a pic from my phone or iPad so will try again later.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on October 31, 2018, 02:03:26 PM
Can't seem to post a pic from my phone or iPad so will try again later.

Thank you for trying.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on October 31, 2018, 04:56:06 PM
CRTDI - thanks. The Firestone set was definitely an indulgence. I figured I got lucky on that one - it appears to be all there and it's in excellent condition (other than the exterior of the box.)

As for the blow-molded cases: I am certainly no fan of that style box. As you note, they waste a lot of space, and (for the most part) they don't allow the user to add anything to the set (although I noticed that S-K started making little pockets for "extras" in some of their later-production sets.) There's nothing quite like being able to "customize" your own set depending upon your own individual needs. (see photo below)
Another issue is that they're inevitably prone to failure: hinges break, latches fail.
That said, they are what they are - and most of those above are the original boxes the sets came in, so I prefer to leave them that way. Fortunately I've been able to round up dozens of metal boxes for those sets I have which are loose pieces.

hickory and Steel - interesting observation on that Truecraft driver set. Western Forge would not have occurred to me. I was quite surprised to find a U.S. made item with the Truecraft brand name on it, as my understanding previously was that all of their product line was outsourced from offshore. I don't have a Craftsman driver of that sort, so I cannot make a visual comparison. The action (as I recall) was fairly nice - as with several others above, it appears to have seen little or no use. I've grabbed it a few times recently when I got a call for some simple repair job - it was actually nice to work with.

d42jeep - thanks very much. I don't feel so bad now about my own obsession with Walden. I might have about six or eight of those 1/4" sets, but nowhere near twenty!
It must be something about the brand or the name. For reasons which defy explanation, I think I have three PM21 3/8" drive sets - the one with the wonky male-to-male "extension" that uses the female-to-female "connector".

CRTDI - as I noted above, the best box is the one in which you can add what you need to have. This old 7602 Indestro set kind of grew a life of its own over the last four decades - this is my go-to user set:
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on October 31, 2018, 06:21:43 PM
Here's my 1/4" ( also does the precisions )  bit driver set.

(https://i.postimg.cc/HWSrrQwj/IMG-20181031-161911632.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/F1LrqknQ)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on October 31, 2018, 06:25:19 PM
CRTDI - thanks. The Firestone set was definitely an indulgence. I figured I got lucky on that one - it appears to be all there and it's in excellent condition (other than the exterior of the box.)

As for the blow-molded cases: I am certainly no fan of that style box. As you note, they waste a lot of space, and (for the most part) they don't allow the user to add anything to the set (although I noticed that S-K started making little pockets for "extras" in some of their later-production sets.) There's nothing quite like being able to "customize" your own set depending upon your own individual needs. (see photo below)
Another issue is that they're inevitably prone to failure: hinges break, latches fail.
That said, they are what they are - and most of those above are the original boxes the sets came in, so I prefer to leave them that way. Fortunately I've been able to round up dozens of metal boxes for those sets I have which are loose pieces.

hickory and Steel - interesting observation on that Truecraft driver set. Western Forge would not have occurred to me. I was quite surprised to find a U.S. made item with the Truecraft brand name on it, as my understanding previously was that all of their product line was outsourced from offshore. I don't have a Craftsman driver of that sort, so I cannot make a visual comparison. The action (as I recall) was fairly nice - as with several others above, it appears to have seen little or no use. I've grabbed it a few times recently when I got a call for some simple repair job - it was actually nice to work with.

d42jeep - thanks very much. I don't feel so bad now about my own obsession with Walden. I might have about six or eight of those 1/4" sets, but nowhere near twenty!
It must be something about the brand or the name. For reasons which defy explanation, I think I have three PM21 3/8" drive sets - the one with the wonky male-to-male "extension" that uses the female-to-female "connector".

CRTDI - as I noted above, the best box is the one in which you can add what you need to have. This old 7602 Indestro set kind of grew a life of its own over the last four decades - this is my go-to user set:
Here's my WF bit driver, it originally had a fat rubberized Husky pro handle in it which I replaced with a Craftsman 4337.
(https://i.postimg.cc/cHkdLBpS/IMG-20181031-161413396.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/62ZkHn6j)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: GreyOwl on October 31, 2018, 09:30:53 PM
Another try from my laptop
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: GreyOwl on October 31, 2018, 09:36:20 PM
Finally worked. I don't know what was wrong from my phone and tablet'
This set belonged to my FIL who put the aweful orange paint on the case. Someday I want to strip and repaint the box the correct color.
I also have never seen another set with the frosted chrome finish instead of polished. Does this do anything for dating this set?
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: slip knot on October 31, 2018, 09:59:31 PM
Havent looked at this page in a few days and WOW. some really nice sets are showing up. I'm thinking some of you guys have some issues. :))

 Keep them coming.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on October 31, 2018, 10:20:13 PM
GreyOwl thank you for your persistence. Nice set and I think the only complete version I have seen!

The ratchet was made by MDF - Moore Drop Forge and there were two variations - yours has a sort of elongated tear drop shape in the neck transitioning from the head to the handle. The other variation is smooth in that area. Not sure which variation was first but in general I believe the MDF ratchets to be roughly post war to about early/mid 50's. The MDF ratchet and the Plomb made ratchet in my opinion are the best modern Craftsman ratchets. The earlier New Britain made was an excellent ratchet as well but that goes back a couple decades before yours.

I am guessing the satin finish was MDF and they likely made the set to all match but I am not the expert in dating Craftsman tools or IDing the OEM.

MDF was later bought by Easco who continued to make Craftsman tools until fairly recently.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on October 31, 2018, 10:30:13 PM
Another try from my laptop
Real nice set, glad you were persistent and got it posted.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: GreyOwl on October 31, 2018, 10:32:18 PM
J.A.F.E.  Thanks for the info on the set.  They really haven't been used much before they were given to me and I don't know why he painted the box orange. I've used them a few times but have other users for daily work.  Any idea what color the box should be?
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on October 31, 2018, 11:18:33 PM
As far as I have seen all the 1/4 set boxes were a sort of hammertone gray but I am not a Craftsman expert. You might get lucky with some acetone, lacquer thinner, MEK or even VM&P naptha that will remove the orange and leave the original paint. Really lucky would leave the box original paint but maybe regular luck would give you enough to see the original color.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on November 01, 2018, 12:04:35 AM
^ I believe that is correct: the small Craftsman boxes from the "crown logo" era were painted a hammertone gray color, as I recall. I believe I've got at least one here somewhere but have no idea where it might be.

Regarding anything Craftsman, I would defer to Mr. Lauver, although I would think that at least one member here should be able to come up with an example that shows the original color.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: strik9 on November 01, 2018, 12:14:48 AM
If the interior color is what the exterior color should be......

  I posted one.  Ignore the metallic blue outside part.  Better than rust.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: bonneyman on November 01, 2018, 10:20:43 AM
The MDF's from Craftsman were nice ratchets. Classic lines, great feel, easy to clean and lube. I'd be willing to bet if Stanley B&D brought back that design (maybe modernized the guts a little) they'd easily outsell the Chinese figure-8 plate rats Craftsman's been pushing lately.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: d42jeep on November 01, 2018, 11:52:18 AM
Just so the dreaded “H” word doesn’t come up, I have let loose of a few Walden sets including these two, put together for friends. Just ignore that Craftsman ratchet!
-Don
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: d42jeep on November 01, 2018, 11:57:52 AM
Here is an early Craftsman set missing, of course, the crossbar.
-Don
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on November 01, 2018, 12:13:59 PM
^ interesting holder there, d42jeep. any idea what year that dates to? what year is that catalog snip from?

Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on November 01, 2018, 02:48:40 PM
Here is an early Craftsman set missing, of course, the crossbar.
-Don

Nice set!

I believe I've seen this same style of set branded as either None Better or Husky.

The compact configuration makes it a handy "grab and go" set.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on November 01, 2018, 02:57:41 PM
Snap-On Industrial finish set.

(https://preview.ibb.co/nKnYJL/IMG-4995.jpg) (https://ibb.co/b7VndL)
(https://preview.ibb.co/cjbSdL/IMG-4994.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gEf9sf)
(https://preview.ibb.co/ifKDJL/IMG-4997.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cPyjQ0)
(https://preview.ibb.co/kknpsf/IMG-4998.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cHFyk0)
(https://preview.ibb.co/dfhB50/IMG-4999.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hHUr50)
(https://preview.ibb.co/i4wM50/IMG-5000.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gk3150)
(https://preview.ibb.co/db0QXf/IMG-5002.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hEn5Xf)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: d42jeep on November 01, 2018, 03:12:33 PM
^ interesting holder there, d42jeep. any idea what year that dates to? what year is that catalog snip from?
BK,
That clip is the 3/8” version from the ‘40 catalog but the 1/4” holder is shown with a larger set in the ‘41 catalog. I went through my miscellaneous crossbars and found a perfect one for the set.
-Don
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on November 01, 2018, 07:09:00 PM
CRTDI - that little Snap-on kit there is pretty snazzy. I had no idea they'd ever produced anything in a black finish like that.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on November 02, 2018, 12:17:25 AM
Here are two more model 350 Indestro "Vest Pocket" 8-pc. 1/4" hex drive SAE socket sets (patent 2065340)
The top one is the earlier version - the "ell" handle is stamped "Pat Pend"
The lower one is a later version - the "ell" handle has the patent number stamped on it.
Versions made later had both the part number and patent number, as well as Indestro's name, stamped on the bottom of the stamped steel holder.
(* Note that the earlier (upper) set does not contain the correct assortment of sockets *)
(* Note that the 1948 catalog snip shows a different patent number - 2065341 - which was essentially the same design but with the retaining tabs reversed. I have yet to be able to find a copy with that patent number. Oddly, the 1948 catalog illustration shows a holder identical to both those shown here. *)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on November 02, 2018, 12:29:33 AM
Here's an Indestro 1/4" drive SAE set in a model 7602 box, but the contents do not match what the catalog says it should contain.
The red box, as I noted somewhere above, dates back to the mid-late 1950s. Prior to that the 1/4" drive sets were packed in a blue box.
This set contains the "unobtainium" 2889 reversible 1/4" male drive pressed-flange chromed ratchet with knurled round handle - a miniature version of the 1/2" drive 3201 (both built under patent number 1902878.) The set is missing the spinner (which in this case would have been the early clear yellow-handled model 2873.)
(* Note that the 3/16" chromed socket is stamped "D I", belying the myth that all Duro / Indestro product stamped "D I" was wartime vintage. *)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on November 02, 2018, 01:09:54 AM
A New Britain "None Better" model 177 8-pc 1/4" hex drive SAE socket set with stamped steel holder.
The "ell" handle is stamped "Made in U.S.A." on one side. The other side is stamped "Pat. Dec 31, 1918" - the patent referred to on the "ell" handle is Reginald F. Sedgley's patent 1289558 (see post #406 above for an example of Sedgley's "Hexall" hex-drive set.)
The holder is stamped "Patented Dec. 12, 1922" - this refers to patent 1438900 issued to one H.H. Chase, and was used by New Britain Machine Company on a variety of different socket holders for a number of decades.
(* As I was not able to get clear images of all the details described above, I have posted the photos from the Ebay listing from which this set was purchased in the following post. *)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on November 02, 2018, 01:21:10 AM
Clearer images showing details of the model 177 New Britain "None Better" set pictured above.
(* There is a detailed description of this particular model at Alloy-Artifacts.org HERE: http://alloy-artifacts.org/newbritain-nonebetter.html *)

Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on November 02, 2018, 01:28:35 AM
An early New Britain Machine Co. 1/4" drive SAE socket set in the original box. These are "C" series and stamped "Chrome Vanadium" with the "NB" logo inside a circle.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on November 02, 2018, 01:31:13 AM
A Penens Corp. 1/4" drive SAE socket set in the original box. The larger sockets are stamped "Challenger" as well as "Penens". I think it would be reasonable to assume that the smaller sockets were not stamped with both names simply due to space limitations.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on November 02, 2018, 01:39:16 AM
A Spiegel "Precision Bilt" 1/4" drive SAE socket set with original box. It appears from a similar set posted by Private Lugnutz on Garagejournal.com (HERE: https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=363163 ) that this set is missing the ratchet.

(* This is the extent of the 1/4" drive sets I found digging through one box earlier this evening. *)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: d42jeep on November 02, 2018, 05:32:47 AM
Here's an Indestro 1/4" drive SAE set in a model 7602 box, but the contents do not match what the catalog says it should contain.
The red box, as I noted somewhere above, dates back to the mid-late 1950s. Prior to that the 1/4" drive sets were packed in a blue box.
This set contains the "unobtainium" 2889 reversible 1/4" male drive pressed-flange chromed ratchet with knurled round handle - a miniature version of the 1/2" drive 3201 (both built under patent number 1902878.) The set is missing the spinner (which in this case would have been the early clear yellow-handled model 2873.)
(* Note that the 3/16" chromed socket is stamped "D I", belying the myth that all Duro / Indestro product stamped "D I" was wartime vintage. *)
BK,
That is a cool set. The ratchet is pretty unique. I imagine that they must have had plenty of extra D-I socket inventory left over after the end of the war. Although they are rare, I have a couple of chrome plated D-I sockets as well. They probably took that excess stock, chromed them and used them in sets. Certainly more cost effective than scrapping them.
-Don
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on November 02, 2018, 11:07:26 AM
After posting that, it occurred to me that I may have purchased that set just to get that ratchet. The set should have the old four-point-selector model 2875 in it. That is a very rare ratchet. I think I own two of them - one of them is in virtually new condition and cost a fortune. The one in that set is in fairly good condition - just the usual "drawer rash" dings and scratches, but nothing major. Essentially the same mechanism internally as your 2889 1/4" female drive model.

I know for sure I've seen other chrome pieces stamped "D I" - packed in the earlier wrinkle-finish royal blue boxes.
Maybe I'm off on that one. I'm not sure how long they produced the blue boxes - I believe the appear in the 1948 catalog.
In an email exchange with twertsy long ago I submitted "All WWII era Indestro was most likely stamped "D I", but not all "D I" Indestro is necessarily WWII vintage product," with which he was in agreement.
I think it's just one of those myths that's been repeated so many times that it's become one of those "alternate reality" things.

I should dig that set out and put the right ratchet in there. I know I've got at least a half dozen of them laying around here loose. It's just a matter of finding one. I know which box the set is in now.

=======

EDIT 11/02/18 09:26 PDT

d42jeep -
I may have spoken too soon there. Poking around on "new posts" I found a link to a catalog archive site HERE: https://archive.org/details/internationaltoolcataloglibrary
and downloaded a snippet from the 1958 Shapleigh Hardware Co. catalog which shows that 7602 set in a red box with what appears to be the same ratchet as in mine. I am forwarding to you a *.pdf copy of the file.

Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on November 03, 2018, 02:21:25 PM
cycle,

Those are some nice looking sets. That particular 2889 Indestro ratchet is a new one for me. Thanks for posting this.

The 1/4" hex sets are pretty cool. I certainly wasn't aware that there were so many different configurations of these.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on November 03, 2018, 03:02:33 PM
^ That ratchet is a real oddball - like the 6070 /4" open-gear model - almost impossible to find.

The hex drive sets were made by a number of different manufacturers. Indestro alone made at least a couple dozen different models (in 1/4", 3/8", and 1/2" hex drive.) New Britain was one of the leaders in that arena and also made a number of different models - I have NB sets in 1/4" and 1/2" drive - I'm not sure if they also made 3/8" drive.
There were many others - Keystone was just one of them.
One of the more interesting was the short-lived Bethlehem Spark Plug Company of Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. I have a 1/4" hex drive "Set A". They also produced sets using 3/8", 7/16", 1/2", and 11/16" drive.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: GreyOwl on November 03, 2018, 04:15:13 PM
Another hex set I've had for years. No markings except for a patent number.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on November 03, 2018, 07:03:17 PM
^ that's a model 350 Indestro "Vest Pocket" set. I posted a few of them above. if yours has only the patent number stamped on the bottom of the holder - 2065340 - it is the third (later) iteration of that particular model.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: GreyOwl on November 03, 2018, 10:29:00 PM
I was thinking so after seeing your pics. Thanks for the confirmation.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on November 04, 2018, 02:12:45 PM
At the request of bmwrd0 and CTRDI, here are some Plomb and Proto boxes from 1940 through the 1990’s. I’m a bit perplexed about the 1942 box. It’s red and contains fully chromed tools. Must be very early 42. Also, a red painted 1945 box. Undoubtedly post war. At first I thought it was repainted, but I’ve seen seen several more like it and actually have a second one. Also, the paint is the wrinkled type as are the Promb successors until 1947-48. The 1943 Plomb box has a “BC” designation on it, signifying its year manufactured. I’ve never seen another one with that marking. Anyway, if Plomb and Proto had other logos and box types, please feel free to share. Thanks.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on November 04, 2018, 02:16:12 PM
More logos.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on November 04, 2018, 02:18:58 PM
More Plomb, getting into post war.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on November 04, 2018, 02:20:43 PM
Early Proto.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on November 04, 2018, 02:23:26 PM
Proto from 1970 to the 90’s.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on November 04, 2018, 04:05:00 PM
pretty fabulous collection of Plomb/Proto there, Cruiser808!
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on November 04, 2018, 04:13:13 PM
Thanks four.cycle, you’ve got an awesome collection of 1/4 sets. Keep um coming.  8)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: muddy on November 04, 2018, 04:15:27 PM
That's a heck of a collection!

Sent from my XT1710-02 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on November 04, 2018, 04:15:50 PM
Cruiser,

Thank you for posting these. Simply awe inspiring!

From your first group photo. For date progression, 1st row, l/h - r/h is earliest, 2nd row l/h - r/h is later and so on?
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on November 04, 2018, 04:24:15 PM
Hi CRTDI, thanks for the kind words. Yup, left to right and top to bottom.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on November 04, 2018, 04:26:12 PM
Here are some more modern 1/4 Proto ratchets that don’t come in sets.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on November 04, 2018, 04:28:20 PM
Thanks muddy, a labor of love and years in the making.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on November 04, 2018, 04:39:15 PM
The Proto Spinflex is actually a MAC ratchet with the Proto name. It’s MAC’s answer to a question nobody asked. As such, it doesn’t get used much.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on November 04, 2018, 04:44:33 PM
Hi CRTDI, thanks for the kind words. Yup, left to right and top to bottom.

This really helps me and my tiny brain. I now know that I got to dig a little deeper, and can't rely on paint type/color or the shape of the box to assume approximate age for these sets.

Probably time for me to learn date codes on the actual pieces...LOL
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on November 04, 2018, 04:50:34 PM
That is dazzling. What is even more impressive than what you have is how nice it all is.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on November 04, 2018, 04:57:01 PM
Thanks Steve, let me know which one you like and I’ll take individual pics.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on November 04, 2018, 05:28:52 PM
The earlier stuff is of most interest to me so anything you'd like to showcase would be most interesting to these eyeballs. Thanks for the offer!

How do you distinguish the years on the boxes?
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on November 04, 2018, 05:50:49 PM
Hi Steve, you got it. It's easy for the early Plombs. Like Snap-on, Plomb put year dates up to 1941. Actually,  I found some early 1942 sockets with a number stamp. But, most of the war years had letters stamped on them. TWERSTY did the research and found that the letters coincided with the years,  B=1942, C=1943, and so on. For the 1/4 sets, 1944 and 1945 rarely had markings, but the designs are giveaways. Also, the square edge Plomb boxes during the war had some nasty, ugly, sticky paint that will probably never die. Then came the round edge boxes. After the end of the war, the tools were chrome again and the tool boxes were coated with red paint and new logos. During the transition to Proto, the tool design remained consistent with the last Plomb sets. Moving on to early Proto, the Flying Lady was painted on all the Proto boxes. They also remained the same design from the Plomb years.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on November 04, 2018, 07:35:04 PM
Thanks. A short paragraph but really packed with great information. I need to write that all down in list form I'll need a lot of memory refreshing before all that sticks.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on November 04, 2018, 07:56:26 PM
Another model 350 Indestro "Vest Pocket" 8-pc 1/4" hex drive SAE socket set with metal holder.
Early production - note that "ell" handle is stamped "Pat. Pend." - referring to patent number 2065340.
(* see post #477 for later versions of this set *)
(* the 11/32" socket in this set was ground down by the previous owner for additional clearance. *)

Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on November 04, 2018, 08:00:47 PM
A late production model 350 Indestro "Vest Pocket" 8-pc 1/4" hex drive SAE socket set with metal holder.
This is the third (and last) version of the model 350 set, having both the Indestro name and the part number and the patent number (2065340) stamped on the bottom of the holder.
(* see also post #477 and post #510 )
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on November 04, 2018, 08:07:38 PM
U.S. made No-Name 1/4" hex drive SAE socket set with driver handle

(* Sockets are stamped with size and "Made in U.S.A." only. Driver handle has no markings at all. This appears to be a knock-off of the Indestro model 360 6-pc "Slip-on" set (pat. 111026)(see catalog snips below), but unlike the original Indestro, this one has a tang on the end of the shalf of the driver which prevents the user from being able to use the handle as storage for the sockets, unlike its Indestro counterpart. It does not resemble anything I've seen made by either Oxwall or G.M. Mfg. Co., or any other U.S. based low-end tool maker. Until someone can positively identify it, its origin remains a mystery.* )

Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: d42jeep on November 04, 2018, 08:47:04 PM
Hi Steve, you got it. It's easy for the early Plombs. Like Snap-on, Plomb put year dates up to 1941. Actually,  I found some early 1942 sockets with a number stamp. But, most of the war years had letters stamped on them. TWERSTY did the research and found that the letters coincided with the years,  B=1942, C=1943, and so on. For the 1/4 sets, 1944 and 1945 rarely had markings, but the designs are giveaways. Also, the square edge Plomb boxes during the war had some nasty, ugly, sticky paint that will probably never die. Then came the round edge boxes. After the end of the war, the tools were chrome again and the tool boxes were coated with red paint and new logos. During the transition to Proto, the tool design remained consistent with the last Plomb sets. Moving on to early Proto, the Flying Lady was painted on all the Proto boxes. They also remained the same design from the Plomb years.
Thanks for the pictures and the information. Very helpful.
-Don
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on November 05, 2018, 09:36:38 PM
VIM Tool Company, Minneapolis, Minnesota - model 994 9/32" square drive SAE socket set with box

The sockets are all stamped "VIM" and are stamped with the size. The 12-point sockets are 1/4", 9/32", 5/16", 11/32", 3/8", and 7/16". There is also a square (4-point) 5/16" socket.
The set is missing the 1/4" square (4-point) socket, the sliding "T" handle, and the collared extension.
The box appears to be original, matching the one shown in the 1931 catalog illustration.
Note that the driver handle has two detent balls on the drive end. There is a YouTube video of the driver handle here:
There is a brief entry on VIM at Alloy-Artifacts HERE: http://alloy-artifacts.org/other-makers-p3.html#vim
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on November 08, 2018, 06:18:57 PM
Snappy black band metric set.

(https://preview.ibb.co/mw1z8V/IMG-1695.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nDBcvA)
(https://preview.ibb.co/nJjmoV/IMG-1696.jpg) (https://ibb.co/m8H6oV)
(https://preview.ibb.co/fVhHvA/IMG-1697.jpg) (https://ibb.co/h2JqFA)
(https://preview.ibb.co/mzBo2q/IMG-1699.jpg) (https://ibb.co/b53e8V)
(https://preview.ibb.co/myiqFA/IMG-1700.jpg) (https://ibb.co/g4VFhq)
(https://preview.ibb.co/dpbcvA/IMG-1701.jpg) (https://ibb.co/eDTCTV)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on November 08, 2018, 06:39:22 PM
The black bands are my all time favorite socket and in my mind very desirable. Beautiful set looks completely unused.

I have a 1/4 and 3/8 shallow six point sets and miscellaneous single pieces.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on November 08, 2018, 08:30:36 PM
Snappy black band metric set.

(https://i.postimg.cc/sgBWJCrc/IMG-1695.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/wjstm5X4/IMG-1696.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/zXQbv2gR/IMG-1697.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/d3x17DLK/IMG-1698.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/7YjhwCF3/IMG-1699.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/k4wDmTCG/IMG-1700.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Hsrnq0hW/IMG-1701.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xcS9HmQB)
That's an awesome looking set, I've got relatively minimal experience compared to everyone else here but having combo wrenches in a 1/4" set is just an idea I like.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: slip knot on November 08, 2018, 09:07:46 PM
That's a gorgeous set.  :-*
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on November 08, 2018, 11:18:05 PM
Williams 9/32" drive set with an add-on Plomb ratchet.

(https://preview.ibb.co/iKzpaA/IMG-1702.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dnBP8V)
(https://preview.ibb.co/kkhLhq/IMG-1703.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dwkHTV)
(https://preview.ibb.co/i3rD2q/IMG-1704.jpg) (https://ibb.co/denmNq)
(https://preview.ibb.co/kvppaA/IMG-1706.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cKZ0hq)
(https://preview.ibb.co/mME0hq/IMG-1707.jpg) (https://ibb.co/euh9aA)
(https://preview.ibb.co/noK0hq/IMG-1708.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mnaHTV)
(https://preview.ibb.co/mSU0hq/IMG-1709.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fQqj8V)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: d42jeep on November 09, 2018, 07:58:38 AM
Nice sets! I like the older Williams stuff but I rarely run into any.
-Don
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on November 09, 2018, 12:13:08 PM
Speedmaster set with a very odd gearless ratchet. I'm thinking the tools might Wright or Stevens Walden sourced, just not sure... :-[

(https://preview.ibb.co/npbJLA/IMG-1727.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gPXsfA)
(https://preview.ibb.co/cTLZtV/IMG-1728.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fnEutV)
(https://preview.ibb.co/bYwUSq/IMG-1729.jpg) (https://ibb.co/j0TLYV)
(https://preview.ibb.co/kdaCfA/IMG-1730.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mABk0A)
(https://preview.ibb.co/hovdLA/IMG-1731.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bWY9Sq)
(https://preview.ibb.co/frTXfA/IMG-1732.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cYaCfA)
(https://preview.ibb.co/dOp50A/IMG-1733.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mqMw7q)
(https://preview.ibb.co/gdvZtV/IMG-1734.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hv5CfA)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on November 09, 2018, 12:37:50 PM
Indestro set with a Firestone ignition tool.


(https://preview.ibb.co/m2n8LA/IMG-1746.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jMUcDV)
(https://preview.ibb.co/dpQTLA/IMG-1747.jpg) (https://ibb.co/js5jtV)
(https://preview.ibb.co/jTezSq/IMG-1748.jpg) (https://ibb.co/m0EYnq)
(https://preview.ibb.co/iqVHDV/IMG-1749.jpg) (https://ibb.co/iMN8LA)
(https://preview.ibb.co/mo34tV/IMG-1750.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nxVjtV)
(https://preview.ibb.co/kdvjtV/IMG-1751.jpg) (https://ibb.co/b1wDnq)
(https://preview.ibb.co/faSa0A/IMG-1752.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cPGDnq)
(https://preview.ibb.co/m5BJLA/IMG-1753.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mqkOnq)
(https://preview.ibb.co/cmr7DV/IMG-1754.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jM6w7q)
(https://preview.ibb.co/iOEinq/IMG-1755.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bwhsfA)
(https://preview.ibb.co/iwJyLA/IMG-1756.jpg) (https://ibb.co/e5p50A)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on November 09, 2018, 01:50:47 PM
Speedmaster set with a very odd gearless ratchet. I'm thinking the tools might Wright or Stevens Walden sourced, just not sure... :-[

(https://preview.ibb.co/npbJLA/IMG-1727.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gPXsfA)
(https://preview.ibb.co/cTLZtV/IMG-1728.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fnEutV)
(https://preview.ibb.co/bYwUSq/IMG-1729.jpg) (https://ibb.co/j0TLYV)
(https://preview.ibb.co/kdaCfA/IMG-1730.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mABk0A)
(https://preview.ibb.co/hovdLA/IMG-1731.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bWY9Sq)
(https://preview.ibb.co/frTXfA/IMG-1732.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cYaCfA)
(https://preview.ibb.co/dOp50A/IMG-1733.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mqMw7q)
(https://preview.ibb.co/gdvZtV/IMG-1734.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hv5CfA)
Real nice set there, I ( and probably a lot of people ) typically think of gearless ratchets as a very modern thing, but obviously they're not.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Cruiser808 on November 09, 2018, 04:18:02 PM
Indestro set with a Firestone ignition tool.


(https://preview.ibb.co/m2n8LA/IMG-1746.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jMUcDV)
(https://preview.ibb.co/dpQTLA/IMG-1747.jpg) (https://ibb.co/js5jtV)
(https://preview.ibb.co/jTezSq/IMG-1748.jpg) (https://ibb.co/m0EYnq)
(https://preview.ibb.co/iqVHDV/IMG-1749.jpg) (https://ibb.co/iMN8LA)
(https://preview.ibb.co/mo34tV/IMG-1750.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nxVjtV)
(https://preview.ibb.co/kdvjtV/IMG-1751.jpg) (https://ibb.co/b1wDnq)
(https://preview.ibb.co/faSa0A/IMG-1752.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cPGDnq)
(https://preview.ibb.co/m5BJLA/IMG-1753.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mqkOnq)
(https://preview.ibb.co/cmr7DV/IMG-1754.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jM6w7q)
(https://preview.ibb.co/iOEinq/IMG-1755.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bwhsfA)
(https://preview.ibb.co/iwJyLA/IMG-1756.jpg) (https://ibb.co/e5p50A)

Once again CRTDI, you demonstrate that you are the king of 1/4 socket sets.  :)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: slip knot on November 09, 2018, 06:40:44 PM
Never seen the Firestone tool before. very cool.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on November 09, 2018, 10:58:36 PM
The black bands are my all time favorite socket and in my mind very desirable. Beautiful set looks completely unused.

I have a 1/4 and 3/8 shallow six point sets and miscellaneous single pieces.

I like these too. I only have this set and a 3/8" swallow set that's part of my "grab and go" metric box.

They don't seem to be very common though. Pretty sure Snap-on was producing way more SAE products versus metric during the time these were manufactured.

Thanks for all the compliments guys. I do try... ;D
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on November 09, 2018, 11:49:21 PM
The black bands were a 70's feature. First show up in the 73 catalog and last appearance was the 78 catalog. In the 79 catalog metric sockets had the double knurled bands they still wear. The black bands were neat but must have been expensive to make. After chroming the band areas were ground down to remove the fresh chrome and then the socket went through the process used to put the black oxide finish on.

The 70's saw a surge of "foreign" (read metric sized) imports. Volkswagen sales went sky high as did all the German marques but VW alone was probably responsable for a huge percentage of the metric stuff sold. I believe metric fasteners started showing up on American vehicles about 78 or 79 but Snap-on still segregated the inch and metric sized tools in the catalog.

I used to take my black bands to the pick a part until one day I dropped a small black band under a car. I kind of panicked and hunted that socket for almost an hour but finally found it. I figured if it was worth an hour of looking getting a set of junk yard sockets made more sense.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: d42jeep on November 10, 2018, 06:13:56 AM
Thanks for that. I’ll take a look at my metric SO 3/8” drive sockets. It seems to me that I bought them in that time frame. I didn’t know that the black bands were rare. I am really enjoying seeing these great 1/4” drive sets from CRTDI and others. Here is a 1/4” drive partial Kraeuter set probably made by S-K. It is missing the ratchet with the uncomfortable beam handle.
-Don
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on November 10, 2018, 12:51:44 PM
I believe that was SK made. For some reason I am under the impression all the drive stuff branded Kraeuter was SK. I'm not sure how the time line with Brazil worked.

Not sure I'd call the black bands rare but they're not common especially ones in decent shape. The flex sockets though are very hard to find.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on November 11, 2018, 12:28:14 AM
My lone (Cruiser808 inspired) late 40s to early 50s ? Fleet set. Very tough time finding the pieces for this set. I believe I started out with the driver and maybe four sockets.

The biggest problem with finding the correct pieces, is that none of them are actually marked as Fleet. They are all marked with a P- prefix and model number only. The final pieces (might still be missing a couple) were surprisingly found in a vintage Artcraft (Pepboys) set where the original box and decal were way to far gone to even try to salvage.

The 1/4 x 3/8 adapter is a Proto L.A. piece.

(https://preview.ibb.co/dduCYV/IMG-1735.jpg) (https://ibb.co/h8yvnq)
(https://preview.ibb.co/nEHXYV/IMG-1736.jpg) (https://ibb.co/b30mtV)
(https://preview.ibb.co/hJ4PfA/IMG-1737.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cu0x0A)
(https://preview.ibb.co/n7eCYV/IMG-1738.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cLE1Sq)
(https://preview.ibb.co/byfKDV/IMG-1739.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gE2o7q)
(https://preview.ibb.co/muCzDV/IMG-1740.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nK5anq)
(https://preview.ibb.co/gB1Fnq/IMG-1741.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kJw4fA)
(https://preview.ibb.co/hOY6tV/IMG-1742.jpg) (https://ibb.co/czUeDV)
(https://preview.ibb.co/kXu1Sq/IMG-1743.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hZRsYV)
(https://preview.ibb.co/jQmFnq/IMG-1744.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cxEPfA)
(https://preview.ibb.co/go2c0A/IMG-1745.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fQtjfA)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on November 11, 2018, 01:01:17 AM
That is amazing. Some magnificent sets you guys have.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on November 15, 2018, 05:18:23 PM
Dunlap box with a no name 1/4" hex set and some pretty decent Dunlap ignition wrenches. Don't really know came in this box originally.

(https://preview.ibb.co/m6VXuf/IMG-1757.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ciEE70)
(https://preview.ibb.co/niT7S0/IMG-1758.jpg) (https://ibb.co/juiwLL)
(https://preview.ibb.co/fW1u70/IMG-1759.jpg) (https://ibb.co/i5LAfL)
(https://preview.ibb.co/eonvEf/IMG-1769.jpg) (https://ibb.co/giWNuf)
(https://preview.ibb.co/iOPxS0/IMG-1770.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ic6Bn0)
(https://preview.ibb.co/dfBNuf/IMG-1772.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dRU8Zf)
(https://preview.ibb.co/dOPxS0/IMG-1773.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bCEaEf)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on November 15, 2018, 06:28:27 PM
Stahlwille metric set.

(https://preview.ibb.co/jzEd0L/IMG-1798.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dprQfL)
(https://preview.ibb.co/dcCLEf/IMG-1799.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k5jBLL)
(https://preview.ibb.co/cqHWLL/IMG-1800.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kgyGn0)
(https://preview.ibb.co/dbud0L/IMG-1801.jpg) (https://ibb.co/eGC970)
(https://preview.ibb.co/mJa1LL/IMG-1802.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ehLCS0)
(https://preview.ibb.co/jKkOZf/IMG-1803.jpg) (https://ibb.co/m7nsS0)
(https://preview.ibb.co/nwET0L/IMG-1804.jpg) (https://ibb.co/g1JAEf)
(https://preview.ibb.co/db3MLL/IMG-1805.jpg) (https://ibb.co/i08o0L)
(https://preview.ibb.co/eE8cuf/IMG-1806.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k1Mxuf)
(https://preview.ibb.co/gTcsS0/IMG-1807.jpg) (https://ibb.co/djrxuf)
(https://preview.ibb.co/h2QqEf/IMG-1808.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kFKvfL)
Couple of pics with a similar styled handle flex magnetic pick-up tool.
(https://preview.ibb.co/hOFqEf/IMG-1809.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mNSgLL)
(https://preview.ibb.co/mVoSuf/IMG-1810.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mrEd0L)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: slip knot on November 15, 2018, 07:10:42 PM
Digging the little Stahlwille ratchet.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on November 15, 2018, 11:35:18 PM
Nice little set. Quite nice. It's interesting I have what looks like the twin of that ratchet but it's Hazet. The bottom plate is black oxide and the selector switch is different but the resemblance is uncanny.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on November 16, 2018, 01:03:05 PM
British  B. A. hex set.

(https://preview.ibb.co/bXYi20/IMG-1812.jpg) (https://ibb.co/j8nXvL)
(https://preview.ibb.co/d0eZ9f/IMG-1813.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ffy5FL)
(https://preview.ibb.co/d7kVh0/IMG-1814.jpg) (https://ibb.co/iWqwN0)
(https://preview.ibb.co/b81xUf/IMG-1815.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bGjvFL)
(https://preview.ibb.co/fqEHUf/IMG-1816.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dAwmN0)
(https://preview.ibb.co/hWoY20/IMG-1817.jpg) (https://ibb.co/i2fP9f)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on November 18, 2018, 12:46:44 AM
Williams NM-8 set.

(https://preview.ibb.co/cQxzef/IMG-1783.jpg) (https://ibb.co/m2vVkL)
(https://preview.ibb.co/fnrszf/IMG-1784.jpg) (https://ibb.co/diOSX0)
(https://preview.ibb.co/cvw35L/IMG-1785.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hK0VkL)
(https://preview.ibb.co/g3TY5L/IMG-1786.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mpyBs0)
(https://preview.ibb.co/eOFfkL/IMG-1787.jpg) (https://ibb.co/diw9ef)
(https://preview.ibb.co/m5LfkL/IMG-1788.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jQ19ef)
(https://preview.ibb.co/izgaKf/IMG-1789.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mS1aKf)
(https://preview.ibb.co/js0fkL/IMG-1790.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hCg9ef)
(https://preview.ibb.co/iDUUef/IMG-1791.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dx80kL)
(https://preview.ibb.co/hovD5L/IMG-1792.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ng8pef)
(https://preview.ibb.co/fdbmQL/IMG-1793.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gABLkL)
(https://preview.ibb.co/gwbLkL/IMG-1794.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hqc4C0)
(https://preview.ibb.co/fTuHX0/IMG-1795.jpg) (https://ibb.co/joWLkL)
(https://preview.ibb.co/kDii5L/IMG-1796.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hcfkKf)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on November 18, 2018, 01:40:14 AM
Quite a jewel for the collection. Really exemplary example.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on November 18, 2018, 01:48:08 PM
Now that Williams set is mind-blowing, thanks for sharing it.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: slip knot on November 18, 2018, 04:24:46 PM
That Williams set is quite nice. :-*
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: bmwrd0 on November 18, 2018, 04:41:52 PM
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4885/45018151275_91bfe02222_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2bA6MXZ)
Picked it up at the swap yesterday
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4878/45018147615_c035c0271a_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2bA6LST)
A complete, down to the tommy bar, circle H Craftsman set. Still has the golden color from the linseed oil that it was packaged with. The only dirt is the old shelf wear on the outside of the case.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on November 18, 2018, 08:26:48 PM
Nice find...that's a super nice set.  My OCD wants to clean it, but promises to keep the linseed on the tools... ;D
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on November 18, 2018, 11:06:21 PM
New Britain sourced Sparta set.

(https://preview.ibb.co/k5OQN0/IMG-1826.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ddrZFL)
(https://preview.ibb.co/gJXKh0/IMG-1827.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fdEoaL)
(https://preview.ibb.co/n3WO9f/IMG-1828.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kWwqpf)
(https://preview.ibb.co/m5ts20/IMG-1830.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jXHKh0)
(https://preview.ibb.co/jgNkN0/IMG-1831.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hXv5N0)
(https://preview.ibb.co/cKVi9f/IMG-1832.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kn1ZFL)
(https://preview.ibb.co/jMnVpf/IMG-1833.jpg) (https://ibb.co/m161vL)
(https://preview.ibb.co/cKo39f/IMG-1834.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nxVGUf)
(https://preview.ibb.co/gbLuFL/IMG-1835.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jpEzh0)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on November 20, 2018, 12:59:50 AM
Mustang set.  Pretty sure this is New Britain sourced. The lid/cover is a PIA novelty as I always manage to spill the contents out whenever I move his set around... ::)

(https://preview.ibb.co/crK2LL/IMG-1774.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hsFbfL)
(https://preview.ibb.co/dTm4Zf/IMG-1775.jpg) (https://ibb.co/f85bfL)
(https://preview.ibb.co/mb590L/IMG-1777.jpg) (https://ibb.co/d1qL70)
(https://preview.ibb.co/gCGSn0/IMG-1778.jpg) (https://ibb.co/itayuf)
(https://preview.ibb.co/kKGtS0/IMG-1779.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nzZPZf)
(https://preview.ibb.co/e9yJuf/IMG-1780.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k4vbfL)
(https://preview.ibb.co/f8TjZf/IMG-1781.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hg3Juf)
(https://preview.ibb.co/kpdwfL/IMG-1782.jpg) (https://ibb.co/chWGfL)

Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on November 20, 2018, 05:44:31 PM
The box definitely looks less than ideal , but it seems like a nice set overall.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on November 20, 2018, 11:26:23 PM
The box definitely looks less than ideal , but it seems like a nice set overall.

I agree, pretty goofy match box style cover. It magically slides open and dumps the contents at seemingly inconvenient times... :(

A small Cornwell socket box with some deep well sockets. My guess is that this dates from the late 50s.

(https://preview.ibb.co/b9b8CA/IMG-1818.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cvuvsA)
(https://preview.ibb.co/c49TCA/IMG-1819.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cCsRzq)
(https://preview.ibb.co/cMDc5V/IMG-1820.jpg) (https://ibb.co/m6u6zq)
(https://preview.ibb.co/gATieq/IMG-1821.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nyg3eq)
(https://preview.ibb.co/hoMrXA/IMG-1822.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bPGQsA)
(https://preview.ibb.co/krD5sA/IMG-1823.jpg) (https://ibb.co/j5vJCA)
(https://preview.ibb.co/jCxbzq/IMG-1824.jpg) (https://ibb.co/h1mEkV)
(https://preview.ibb.co/cEpdCA/IMG-1825.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cUEZkV)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on November 21, 2018, 05:16:36 PM
P&C set.

P&C tools are pretty much non-existent in my area, so this one took a loooong time to piece together... :-[

(https://preview.ibb.co/dijb0V/IMG-1859.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kvpWZq)
(https://preview.ibb.co/nGx77A/IMG-1860.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hVSULV)
(https://preview.ibb.co/fW1pLV/IMG-1861.jpg) (https://ibb.co/eyQG0V)
(https://preview.ibb.co/kaqS7A/IMG-1862.jpg) (https://ibb.co/m0i3fV)
(https://preview.ibb.co/iEuR0V/IMG-1863.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dxYx7A)
(https://preview.ibb.co/iPwH7A/IMG-1864.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nsGH7A)
(https://preview.ibb.co/mJdauq/IMG-1866.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ehOm0V)
(https://preview.ibb.co/d36H7A/IMG-1867.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fbhqSA)
(https://preview.ibb.co/jhqMZq/IMG-1868.jpg) (https://ibb.co/b7aYfV)
(https://preview.ibb.co/hgYm0V/IMG-1869.jpg) (https://ibb.co/f9xDfV)
(https://preview.ibb.co/i6jgZq/IMG-1870.jpg) (https://ibb.co/iasqSA)
(https://preview.ibb.co/kMXqSA/IMG-1872.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nu7PnA)
(https://preview.ibb.co/iUxDfV/IMG-1873.jpg) (https://ibb.co/km7qSA)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on November 21, 2018, 05:33:49 PM
That P&C set looks nice, I really like the looks of that ratchet.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on November 25, 2018, 12:18:38 AM
That P&C set looks nice, I really like the looks of that ratchet.

Thanks!

A Mac set with an oddly partitioned box.

(https://i.ibb.co/MMwj7SK/IMG-1892.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FgZfz3c)
(https://i.ibb.co/vJFBBKw/IMG-1893.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kh7yyWH)
(https://i.ibb.co/P6JqLSh/IMG-1894.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FDcRrPw)
(https://i.ibb.co/L8T4P45/IMG-1895.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6mK6Z6B)
(https://i.ibb.co/rcHDKmn/IMG-1896.jpg) (https://ibb.co/X3tcfbm)
(https://i.ibb.co/dPmkwmq/IMG-1897.jpg) (https://ibb.co/c6Y2SYH)
(https://i.ibb.co/7gqxvvw/IMG-1898.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xmNKhhp)
(https://i.ibb.co/c2zRGYK/IMG-1899.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nQh4HPq)
(https://i.ibb.co/89QRGgQ/IMG-1900.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SBZ1HwZ)
(https://i.ibb.co/r7YH2wQ/IMG-1901.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yftqFQN)
(https://i.ibb.co/d0yxqFV/IMG-1902.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wN1jXVP)
(https://i.ibb.co/mJVVGfG/IMG-1904.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MnxxsFs)
(https://i.ibb.co/W5CbPr3/IMG-1905.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Rb8xBXS)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: slip knot on November 25, 2018, 09:45:32 AM
That Mac set is nice. I bet it was $pendy when new.



The Cornwall deeps a few post back seem really beefy for a 1//4 drive set. bet they didn't have tp warranty any of those. ;D
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on November 25, 2018, 11:07:20 PM
The Cornwall deeps a few post back seem really beefy for a 1//4 drive set. bet they didn't have to warranty any of those. ;D

You're probably right, the sockets are quite chunky for being 1/4" drive.

Some NB goodness.

(https://i.ibb.co/86NpVyk/IMG-1836.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dGjqyNZ)
(https://i.ibb.co/jw1wyzJ/IMG-1838.jpg) (https://ibb.co/R6V63Nj)
(https://i.ibb.co/Z23SR9n/IMG-1839.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WVQ0NCb)
(https://i.ibb.co/QN7kQTZ/IMG-1840.jpg) (https://ibb.co/swpCRNh)
(https://i.ibb.co/vQ3GjyJ/IMG-1841.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hZBjmQK)
(https://i.ibb.co/B2rsFLG/IMG-1842.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LdJpHSr)
(https://i.ibb.co/H2VNNN3/IMG-1843.jpg) (https://ibb.co/b3PHHHD)
(https://i.ibb.co/rs9M5dH/IMG-1844.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SrS0VfB)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on November 27, 2018, 12:15:01 AM
Here's something a little different. A couple of German manufactured Belzer sets. I believe these are from the late '50s.


(https://i.ibb.co/qBM7mtr/IMG-1710.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Nx6tW8y)
(https://i.ibb.co/SBDPY9L/IMG-1711.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fHV26Pc)
(https://i.ibb.co/pK0rwbx/IMG-1712.jpg) (https://ibb.co/X52kLjb)
(https://i.ibb.co/TTj7CDB/IMG-1713.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3s6jJ5y)
(https://i.ibb.co/5Wsypxd/IMG-1714.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QFYRSjZ)
(https://i.ibb.co/SmGTHqy/IMG-1715.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8xt3GFs)
(https://i.ibb.co/MsFNnJ1/IMG-1716.jpg) (https://ibb.co/R9RH2J6)
(https://i.ibb.co/PQkTLd3/IMG-1717.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YZgDCxY)
(https://i.ibb.co/qybrD0F/IMG-1718.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8KF7mz4)
(https://i.ibb.co/JyDkJzD/IMG-1719.jpg) (https://ibb.co/X3cJRzc)
(https://i.ibb.co/XLYTSsH/IMG-1720.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kBmFQ8Z)
(https://i.ibb.co/b3WhL3J/IMG-1721.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SxsT0xr)
(https://i.ibb.co/M5zSPs6/IMG-1722.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1JCQRL6)
(https://i.ibb.co/QHC9H4g/IMG-1723.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5jnTjP0)
(https://i.ibb.co/Vv0kYKF/IMG-1724.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WcNRvTr)
(https://i.ibb.co/VMjgGtk/IMG-1725.jpg) (https://ibb.co/h27BNyT)
(https://i.ibb.co/ssBZXNC/IMG-1726.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0Ywxz6K)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on November 27, 2018, 01:32:45 PM
Now those wrenches are very cool, it's things like this that almost make me want to be a true collector.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on December 06, 2018, 12:26:58 PM
Here's a late 30s Blackhawk 10ND 1/4" drive set with some early 40s add on pieces.

(https://i.ibb.co/8DQf1M9/IMG-1845.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Gvr8z7R)
(https://i.ibb.co/9TXV0gF/IMG-1847.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bBh2VmS)
(https://i.ibb.co/9rHf6VQ/IMG-1848.jpg) (https://ibb.co/x7qcWfx)
(https://i.ibb.co/nnVXc07/IMG-1849.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0FW0MXC)
(https://i.ibb.co/zND1zDH/IMG-1850.jpg) (https://ibb.co/M9QbmQ5)
(https://i.ibb.co/QQRfPtJ/IMG-1851.jpg) (https://ibb.co/W5w6kjH)
(https://i.ibb.co/ZmPVs83/IMG-1852.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8cp035J)
(https://i.ibb.co/s33XXzv/IMG-1853.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Hgg993D)
(https://i.ibb.co/LRtw2kk/IMG-1854.jpg) (https://ibb.co/KhqZ300)
(https://i.ibb.co/Trm5hGP/IMG-1855.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GFcjPDC)
(https://i.ibb.co/YdLw5Ms/IMG-1856.jpg) (https://ibb.co/T0gdQS3)
(https://i.ibb.co/RvL3GY6/IMG-1857.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HFmtLBP)
(https://i.ibb.co/JyX1wBt/IMG-1858.jpg) (https://ibb.co/X3mQr2L)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on December 06, 2018, 01:57:52 PM
That is really nice. The spinner handle is a beauty. I have the same ratchet which I like a great deal but the set is way out of my league.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Uncle Buck on December 06, 2018, 02:28:00 PM
The Blackhawk set is incredible!
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on December 06, 2018, 07:35:12 PM
Thanks guys!

This particular Blackhawk set is one of my all time favorites. I started with just the box. Trying to finding nice quality pieces made this a pretty tough one to put together.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on December 06, 2018, 09:50:30 PM
I'll bet that was a challenge to put together.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Lookin4_67GalaxieConv on December 08, 2018, 11:59:25 PM
Here's a pic of my Challenger set.  I'm guessing it's mid '70s.
I find it interesting the plastic box is considered one piece of the set!
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: d42jeep on December 09, 2018, 07:10:16 AM
Here is a Walden set I put together recently out of mostly NOS sockets, some with a bit of residual cosmoline, that would be an exact specification matching set for late WW2. This set would have been included in the General Mechanics Tool Set from 4/45 through the end of the war. For some reason the government changed the spec to include only 6 and 8 point sockets, as well as doing away with the ratchet, extension and crossbar. Towards the end of the war Walden was going away from their previously produced knurled sockets to a style with the two slots. Most sets contained a mix of the two styles.
-Don
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: four.cycle on December 23, 2018, 12:17:25 PM
Quote from: Lookin4_67GalaxieConv
I find it interesting the plastic box is considered one piece of the set!

That's true of almost all US-made sets from that era - from the 60's through the 80's at least.

Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on December 24, 2018, 05:36:34 PM
Quote from: Lookin4_67GalaxieConv
I find it interesting the plastic box is considered one piece of the set!

That's true of almost all US-made sets from that era - from the 60's through the 80's at least.
Even many sets available today do this.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: bonneyman on January 04, 2019, 06:52:02 PM
42Jeep, I love the way that socket box hinges from the end. Almost like a flip phone for tools! :D
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: d42jeep on January 04, 2019, 11:58:19 PM
Thanks. I think the Walden tools were pretty high quality for back then. Here is a mostly postwar set I put together a couple of days ago. I was short two chrome sockets.
-Don
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: goodfellow on January 05, 2019, 06:56:06 AM
Don't see too many Stevens Walden items these days. Very nice collection -
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: jim m on January 11, 2019, 11:22:58 PM
One of my all time favorite 1/4 sets. A large =v= series with lots of goodies. The =v= series is my favorite because the tools were high quality at an affordable price.
that is a assume Craftsman set never seen one like it
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Davethorik on February 22, 2019, 08:59:06 PM
Private Lugnutz on the journal somehow procured 10 of these sets, Williams 1285P Midget Electrical Set. They are WW2 era military surplus, NOS repacks with a nice coating of cosmoline. I was lucky to grab one, should be here next week. I'm like a kid waiting for Christmas morning!!

It has the original metal box (decal was deteriorated by cosmoline) as well as the original cardboard box the set shipped in.

I should add I've been after one of those Williams spinners forever now. To not only find one, but NOS WW2 military surplus? With the complete original set? Hell yeah!!!
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: goodfellow on February 22, 2019, 09:02:24 PM
Wonderful find -- congratulations!!
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: slip knot on February 22, 2019, 09:16:42 PM
That's a nice Williams set. :-* 

 he got anymore??????
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Davethorik on February 22, 2019, 11:23:20 PM
I think they sold fast, unfortunately. I happened to drop him a pm at the right time, minutes after he posted, and he had 3 left at that point.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: d42jeep on February 26, 2019, 07:43:04 PM
Mine just arrived and it was just as nice as I hoped.
-Don
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on February 26, 2019, 08:42:14 PM
Mine just arrived and it was just as nice as I hoped.
-Don
Can't wait to see one of these sets with all of the cosmoline cleaned off
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: d42jeep on February 27, 2019, 12:39:15 AM
Here is the only one he found with the preservative removed. It was removed 20 years ago and a couple of sockets were missing. I think I’ll leave mine as it came since I was already working on one. The PR in my set in progress means it came with pliers and a ratchet.
-Don
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on February 27, 2019, 12:13:14 PM
Pretty cool , thanks for the pics.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on March 01, 2019, 08:23:10 PM
I'm setting up a set around the Mac MC1 I just got it left this poor little Thorsen / action box J.AF.F sent me empty, not anymore now my dad has a basic 1/4" drive set.

The ratchet, sockets and extension are of course Craftsman and indestro.
The little spinner handle is a Sears Taiwan from my dads first tool set he bought while in the army sometime back in the early 80's.
(https://i.postimg.cc/qqXNFZ3H/IMG-20190301-180441430.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/SYRQ2ddg)
A majority of the tools are Craftsman so i figured the stickers were appropriate enough.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on March 01, 2019, 08:58:59 PM
I like the way that box came out - well done!
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on March 01, 2019, 09:09:10 PM
I like the way that box came out - well done!
Thanks.

the paint has faired better than I expected over the past 6 or something months it's been since I  painted it.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on March 11, 2019, 05:13:11 PM
 I was not happy with that set i put together for my dad, having some randomly sockets and a spinner handle the didn't mate up with very well didn't seem right .
I moved some things around , and a sacrifice or two, and did this set right.
Now it's all Craftsman to go with the stickers I put on the box.

(https://i.postimg.cc/SxSsh6mT/IMG-20190311-150820980.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PP7hb8pY)

Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on March 29, 2019, 07:28:11 PM
Here's the current state of my main 1/4 set based around a Mac MC1 box, I've set up as a versatile inclusive general small task set and it's been doing this pretty well.
There's 75 pieces if you count each driver bit.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Dz7Xhy2C/IMG-20190329-171247748.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CR61H0nD)
(https://i.postimg.cc/zXJv3PmB/IMG-20190329-171352839.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/23KrKGSR)

All of the sockets and ignition wrenches are US Craftsman , and I just got the NOS shallow metrics in today.
They go from 4mm-14mm, then I've got 1/2-1/4 skipping the standard sizes that have metric equivalents.
Then there's a mix of 9 metric and standard deeps.
There's a set of standard combo's 5/32 -3/8 and metric doe's 5.5mm-11mm.


The indestro  6072 will be replaced with the new Wright 2426 I've got coming if it's head isn't too tall to fit, this box is pretty shallow in depth for the top and even shallower in the drawer.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: DeadNutz on March 29, 2019, 08:38:46 PM
That box looks pretty well stocked and very nice job you did on it.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on March 29, 2019, 09:45:36 PM
That box looks pretty well stocked and very nice job you did on it.
Thank you.

Maximizing my use of space while maintaining a nominal degree of organization is something I generally strive for in the sets I put together, and I feel I hit my goal on this one.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on April 11, 2019, 12:14:24 PM
I picked up this little Duro-Chrome set off E-bay recently from a seller that appeared to be selling off their personal 1/4" socket set collection. This is the only set that I snagged.

(https://i.ibb.co/SvyGK6M/IMG-2112.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Hg43rKb)
(https://i.ibb.co/Lvb003Q/IMG-2113.jpg) (https://ibb.co/t3kHH9Z)
(https://i.ibb.co/v3r3X16/IMG-2114.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PcbcDxv)
(https://i.ibb.co/3c1y7sX/IMG-2115.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2dq7y62)
(https://i.ibb.co/26BHfGn/IMG-2120.jpg) (https://ibb.co/N3zbHcV)
(https://i.ibb.co/mHcqrwR/IMG-2121.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LCZtDW0)
(https://i.ibb.co/y0fJH66/IMG-2122.jpg) (https://ibb.co/rk7JDxx)
(https://i.ibb.co/3Tv0Jfs/IMG-2123.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mR0HxvB)
(https://i.ibb.co/189HtjT/IMG-2126.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Hnrmf3q)
(https://i.ibb.co/x7Wsqkn/IMG-2124.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1m1nGgC)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: bmwrd0 on April 11, 2019, 12:53:52 PM
Diggin' the little dog. Very nice set.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on April 11, 2019, 06:01:12 PM
Really nice clean set, I love the color.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: DeadNutz on April 11, 2019, 09:06:20 PM
Very nice set.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on August 26, 2020, 04:37:15 PM
A couple of 1/4 drive Blackhawk 16ND sets:

(https://i.ibb.co/PTLt4Vg/IMG-2331.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9wDG2dW)
(https://i.ibb.co/CvMbC9v/IMG-2332.jpg) (https://ibb.co/S0dtYm0)
(https://i.ibb.co/X8BwpkR/IMG-2333.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9tXM235)
(https://i.ibb.co/KKDgNMh/IMG-2334.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kmJT3RB)
(https://i.ibb.co/FzXgnV8/IMG-2335.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5LkB2Fs)
(https://i.ibb.co/0mTjCR2/IMG-2336.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k5jg4sB)
(https://i.ibb.co/GVyXswG/IMG-2337.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sFnh5Sc)
(https://i.ibb.co/Ksvj5dV/IMG-2338.jpg) (https://ibb.co/t2rMHgY)
(https://i.ibb.co/5cgnmnp/IMG-2339.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Sv4dbdY)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on August 26, 2020, 05:58:28 PM
A couple of 1/4 drive Blackhawk 16ND sets:

(https://i.ibb.co/PTLt4Vg/IMG-2331.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9wDG2dW)
(https://i.ibb.co/CvMbC9v/IMG-2332.jpg) (https://ibb.co/S0dtYm0)
(https://i.ibb.co/X8BwpkR/IMG-2333.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9tXM235)
(https://i.ibb.co/KKDgNMh/IMG-2334.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kmJT3RB)
(https://i.ibb.co/FzXgnV8/IMG-2335.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5LkB2Fs)
(https://i.ibb.co/0mTjCR2/IMG-2336.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k5jg4sB)
(https://i.ibb.co/GVyXswG/IMG-2337.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sFnh5Sc)
(https://i.ibb.co/Ksvj5dV/IMG-2338.jpg) (https://ibb.co/t2rMHgY)
(https://i.ibb.co/5cgnmnp/IMG-2339.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Sv4dbdY)
Awesome sets, thanks for digging this up and posting so I don't have to dig it up.
I find it strange that you don't get wrenches in a 1/4 set today, they come in so handy.

I'm currently working on the latest iteration my ultimate 1/4dr kit, just waiting on the sae deep wells to arrive.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: CRTDI on August 27, 2020, 07:20:27 PM
Thanks. Good luck with your set build.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on August 28, 2020, 02:14:00 AM
Thanks. Good luck with your set build.
Got the deep wells in today and my kit is now complete,  I'll have to post pictures tomorrow though because I also got a 1963 Mitchell 300 spinning reel in and burned up all my daylight after work using the kit servicing this reel.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on August 28, 2020, 01:29:15 PM
The heart of this kit besides the snap-on party box that makes it all possible is the complete inclusive WRIGHT tool 1/4dr set.


(https://i.postimg.cc/N0dFJYgD/20200828-110814.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/94qc06ww)
(https://i.postimg.cc/fRhK74Tk/20200828-110853.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bs3k8Bnj)
(https://i.postimg.cc/qq4KhrGd/20200828-110906.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/dkN3pzXW)(https://i.postimg.cc/Twhq2fQN/20200828-111149.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/TLMWC8zn)

I really liked my previous kit and it worked very well over the past maybe year, but what I didn't like is having had to compromise on sockets and how annoying it was having to get everything back in just right.
That box is now being used in the garage for a 1/4 set with a much more reasonable amount of stuff in it.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Uncle Buck on November 10, 2020, 08:59:46 PM
I always liked those "party boxes" as you called it. I never found one priced well enough for me to take it home sadly.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on November 20, 2020, 06:22:40 PM
I always liked those "party boxes" as you called it. I never found one priced well enough for me to take it home sadly.
I wonder what kind of model# they'd have if they didn't come with a poker set inside?


They do command more than I wish they did, but it's sure a lot less than a kra149 or God forbid the even rarer XPL996-4 if I these weren't a more "affordable"option.
I'm crazy but not crazy enough to pay what those command thats for sure.

Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on December 30, 2020, 01:01:48 PM
Got this nice Thorsen set in the SS exchange this year
(https://i.postimg.cc/mrxLfDWL/20201230-105509.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/dhBPGJ0p)
The Thorsen/action flex handle and Thorsen 77M just barely fit, so I went ahead and added them.
(https://i.postimg.cc/4dfTsHLg/20201230-105521.jpg)
 (https://postimg.cc/HJhNtn1Z)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: DeadNutz on December 30, 2020, 05:43:12 PM
That was a nice way to complete the set. :great:
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on January 07, 2021, 11:52:22 AM
I rearranged my 1/4+ set, as well as added a thing or two.
(https://i.postimg.cc/8PzTRHt0/20210106-185235.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/c6PqZQqR)
(https://i.postimg.cc/RCXBZt4Q/20210106-185154.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/G98NMHBH)
(https://i.postimg.cc/cHhV6qy4/20210106-185219.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/WFD9fH1Q)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: ron350 on January 07, 2021, 01:02:34 PM
That is a very nice set of tools and tool box.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on January 08, 2021, 12:21:41 PM
That is a very nice set of tools and tool box.
Thank you.
I had an idea in my head with this set, and a couple hundred dollars later the goal was met and it has proven to be everything I wanted it to be.
I have small sets in the main box I can grab if I need to, but this is what I grab when I know I plan to need 1/4dr and any other small tools that tend to go with 1/4dr territory.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on January 19, 2021, 05:57:32 PM
I have looked back through this whole discussion covering my screen with drool again,  and I can't believe where I started in my 1/4 journey compared to where I am now.
I had 2 ratchets and one small hodgepodge homegrown set that I was happy with.
Now I've got I think 7 sets, 11 or so 1/4 ratchets,  and one extensive decked out set I never could have dreamed of owning before let alone even being something that exists.

These 40 pages of 1/4 goodness are entirely responsible for my 1/4 drive journey,  and I want to thank everyone who has contributed content to it.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: PowderKeg on March 29, 2021, 06:54:43 PM
I normally don't go after sets since I'm just going to yank the ratchet out and probably lose the rest somewhere in the garage, but couldn't pass up the None Better set - didn't have one of these old school 1/4" NB "mini club" style ratchets in the obsess... er, collection yet.  Too many of these (Cr, New Brit, & Husky for the other 3) are missing the square drive, and that's an immediate reject for me.  Likely missing a 1/2" socket and maybe a short ext, will have to do a little detectin' and see if I can find a catalog with set descrip.

Didn't have the Wright-sourced Klein ratchet either, so getting the like new sockets & ext with the ratchet was a bonus.  Unfortunately missing at least a 5/16" socket, but I won't lose any sleep over it...
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: ToolManJ on July 21, 2021, 04:41:00 AM
I normally don't go after sets since I'm just going to yank the ratchet out and probably lose the rest somewhere in the garage, but couldn't pass up the None Better set - didn't have one of these old school 1/4" NB "mini club" style ratchets in the obsess... er, collection yet.  Too many of these (Cr, New Brit, & Husky for the other 3) are missing the square drive, and that's an immediate reject for me.  Likely missing a 1/2" socket and maybe a short ext, will have to do a little detectin' and see if I can find a catalog with set descrip.

Didn't have the Wright-sourced Klein ratchet either, so getting the like new sockets & ext with the ratchet was a bonus.  Unfortunately missing at least a 5/16" socket, but I won't lose any sleep over it...


Here's my New Britain set I grabbed a few months ago. Looks to be same set as the None Better that you have. I bet you can base what you need off of mine to see what you need, minus the 3" extention and the flat tip socket. Those 2 are add ins . Heres a pic of mine....


(https://i.ibb.co/Wg7j1JY/20210528-103345.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xJwdQTR)
(https://i.ibb.co/85ZRGVm/20210528-103509.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ncJV4Sw)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on October 15, 2021, 01:32:21 PM
I took this nice handle off something we were throwing away at work, much better than the DIY handle I had on this box.
(https://i.postimg.cc/vmnvZJ6B/20211015-112241.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/3yKGLb15)
(https://i.postimg.cc/yNNkfc7z/20211015-112247.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ZW1bn99f)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on October 20, 2021, 03:40:09 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/CLdCdCYz/20211020-121437.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/crytbnvS)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on May 11, 2022, 08:12:05 PM
I always loved this nice compact little Thorsen Action box / case that J.A.F.E. kindly sent me, it's just a great sturdy compact little box and I really like the removable divider for some reason even though I've no need to take it out.
After my original need for it was outgrown I set it up with a Craftsman set for my dad but he said he didn't really need it so I just set it aside till I did.

Recently I decided to redo it in a nice hammer tone gunmetal color I had, and use it for my GOV'T surplus set.
(https://i.postimg.cc/FsxNk9VP/20220511-175231.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/cr6VVGjY)
(https://i.postimg.cc/hjxqDgG1/20220511-175302.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/cgszhpwv)
The contents label from the JS case came right off so I stuck it on this Thorsen box, whether it'll stay I don't know.
(https://i.postimg.cc/85dnXC59/20220511-175352.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ftLKJDYf)
(https://i.postimg.cc/SQrvWjHz/20220511-175441.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4nYPG4fJ)

Metal boxes, especially the ones that don't come with a plastic insert are so much more compact that a hateful blow moulded case, and this is certainly no exception.
The JS case didn't even have the excuse of securely holding and organizing the tools, and in fact it does a much worse job at holding the sockets than this Thorsen box does.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: bonneyman on May 11, 2022, 10:05:09 PM
The hammered look came out great!  :cool2:
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on May 11, 2022, 10:36:48 PM
The hammered look came out great!  :cool2:
Thanks.
It's the same paint I used on my MAC MC1 box, but I did a better job.
I was forced to be patient and wait for the paint to cure properly before flipping it over because I got busy with work and didn't have a chance to flip it over too soon like I inevitably do most of the time.

I suppose you could say I'm like a doctor who lost his license,  I have no patience. :))
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on September 01, 2022, 03:23:10 PM
I wound up with a set of metric sockets 5-13 that match the JS TECHNOLOGIES  set ( same sockets, just don't say JS ), so I added them to it.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Xq6CkXBP/20220901-125713.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XGxqVj8K)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: wantedabiggergarage on September 01, 2022, 08:32:45 PM
The 9/32 stuff in this thread.....

I was wondering if anyone knows the history of 9/32" tools?  The reason I ask is decades ago, I was once told by an old timer, that they were war era tools, so the enemy couldn't use them on their stuff, if captured.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on September 01, 2022, 09:18:55 PM
The 9/32 stuff in this thread.....

I was wondering if anyone knows the history of 9/32" tools?  The reason I ask is decades ago, I was once told by an old timer, that they were war era tools, so the enemy couldn't use them on their stuff, if captured.
Ww2 era, intended to discourage GI mechanics from taking tools home.
I'm not sure why they only created a non-standard substitute for 1/4dr, but my guess is because 1/4 was the most easily most often swiped.

Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: J.A.F.E. on September 02, 2022, 11:50:32 AM
9/32 was the original small format drive in the 20's or early 30's. 1/4 came along later.

Private industry used it to discourage tools going home in the lunchbox beyond the time it was discounted from the catalogs. Not sure but in my mind if the military continued to use beyond the introduction of 1/4 it was probably for the same reason.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on September 02, 2022, 03:12:56 PM
9/32 was the original small format drive in the 20's or early 30's. 1/4 came along later.

Private industry used it to discourage tools going home in the lunchbox beyond the time it was discounted from the catalogs. Not sure but in my mind if the military continued to use beyond the introduction of 1/4 it was probably for the same reason.
Thanks for the info.

It's good to hear from you btw, I haven't seen you around here much in awhile.
9/32 was the original small format drive in the 20's or early 30's. 1/4 came along later.

Private industry used it to discourage tools going home in the lunchbox beyond the time it was discounted from the catalogs. Not sure but in my mind if the military continued to use beyond the introduction of 1/4 it was probably for the same reason.

Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Elroy on October 30, 2022, 08:32:15 PM
Elroy is original owner, over 50 years
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Uncle Buck on October 31, 2022, 10:28:28 AM
Very nice set there Elroy!  :bravo_2:
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Midnitemack on October 31, 2022, 11:12:10 AM
Elroy is original owner, over 50 years
Quality is remembered, long after the price is forgotten !!!


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Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on November 10, 2022, 12:40:27 PM
Beautiful old Snappy set there.
Something about the old Snapon tools really just looks presentable.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Uncle Buck on November 10, 2022, 01:51:28 PM
Elroy is original owner, over 50 years

I like those sets so much that I bought a couple of those kit boxes a few years back myself. I filled my red box a twin to that one with Snappy ratchet, nutdriver, breakover, speed wheel, sliding T and flex head. The extensions and sockets are Cman though.

I just pretend the sockets and extensions are Snappy. LOL  :))
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on November 11, 2022, 02:33:43 PM
Elroy is original owner, over 50 years

I like those sets so much that I bought a couple of those kit boxes a few years back myself. I filled my red box a twin to that one with Snappy ratchet, nutdriver, breakover, speed wheel, sliding T and flex head. The extensions and sockets are Cman though.

I just pretend the sockets and extensions are Snappy. LOL  :))
That's not as bad as a Mac box with all Craftsman tools and a Craftsman sticker.

You still got some Snappy tools in the box at least.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: Uncle Buck on December 14, 2022, 07:58:34 PM
Elroy is original owner, over 50 years

I like those sets so much that I bought a couple of those kit boxes a few years back myself. I filled my red box a twin to that one with Snappy ratchet, nutdriver, breakover, speed wheel, sliding T and flex head. The extensions and sockets are Cman though.

I just pretend the sockets and extensions are Snappy. LOL  :))
That's not as bad as a Mac box with all Craftsman tools and a Craftsman sticker.

You still got some Snappy tools in the box at least.

All the drive tools are SO anyway,
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on April 12, 2023, 03:48:31 PM
Ratchkey 1/4 set, all US made.
The bits are Vermont American,  and the 1/4 bit palm ratchet is a William's super torque bone.
(https://i.postimg.cc/rpBj6s38/57-54d87a0e-c6ca-4552-ad4f-c798470e1e8e-540x.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
The " ratchet " is worse than Oxwall aside from being made of plastic it is the stiffest thing ever and isn't reversable, it just has an anvil sticking out of both sides.
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on June 01, 2023, 03:35:02 PM
1976 Wright tool no.50 set.
3/16-1/2, then 1/4 5/16 and 1/2" square.
(https://i.postimg.cc/m2p4DHgs/20230601-115020.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Xp5m1X5H)
(https://i.postimg.cc/wTjHgVH2/20230601-115034.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CdX94bRn)
Title: Re: 1/4 Drive Sets
Post by: hickory n Steel on June 01, 2023, 07:28:01 PM
The JS technologies set wound up back in my house / go box so the old thorsen case was free again, and I just couldn't leave the newly acquired WRIGHT set in such a huge oversized waste of space.
(https://i.postimg.cc/MppcgrSj/20230601-170736.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hfNPdshS)
It may not be the last time this awesome little thorsen box appears here as I try to find it's ultimate purpose, but this very well could be it.