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Offline m_fumich

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So frustrated with the police
« on: June 27, 2019, 02:49:53 AM »
I hadnít heard from my buddy Bryan in several days which is unusual and I couldnít get in touch with him. Someone else was answering his phone. He was staying in a bad neighborhood but I didnít know exactly where so I filed a missing persons report on Tuesday. I get a call on Wednesday from the police and they tell me Bryan is dead. They wonít tell me anything else. Bryan has no family. He was 62 and never married and has no kids. His parents and sister are deceased. The police arenít concerned that he owned a pistol and itís unaccounted for or that his possessions were left in his motel room for motel management to take and do with as they please. They wonít even tell me where he was so I can locate his truck. When I told them about his pistol they asked if I had proof he owned a gun. How about his carry permit or the background check and all the paperwork he had to fill out to buy the gun or the fact itís registered to him? Thatís all stuff they have access to. From the start the police have been hesitant to help. Before I filed the missing persons report, they tried telling me he might have moved out of state and suggested I didnít know him very well. He made me the beneficiary to his life insurance and I was his ONLY friend on Facebook. He joined Facebook to follow what I was doing everyday. When I filed the report, they showed me his drivers license picture and asked if that was him. I said it was. Then they asked me if I had a picture of him. Seriously? They had one right there that he posed for and was as good as any picture I would ever have.

Itís 2:30 am and I canít sleep because the officer I need to talk to wonít be back in his office for another 2 days. In the mean time, all Bryanís possessions could be getting picked over by anyone the motel manager wants to give it to because a dead man isnít going to complain. Iím trying to get his former employer to give me a copy of his life insurance beneficiary form so I can prove to the police that I am a person that Bryan would have trusted to oversee his affairs and thatís just so I can find out when he died and where he was. They werenít interested in talking to me at all until I told them I knew where he was born and where his family had lived.

Unfortunately, Bryan left his job due to health issues so the life insurance policy isnít in effect. He wanted to leave me that money to help me with the animal rescue work I do. Iíd rather have my friend and donít care about the money at all but itís a shame his wish to help didnít happen.

The state has a list of 10 relations they have to locate or prove donít exist before I can even offer to pay for his burial. It could be months before Bryan gets buried. They will have to check will all 50 states to see if there was ever a marriage certificate with his name on it or a birth certificate listing him as the father. Theyíll have to find where is parents and sister lived then get proof they died. They might eventually find his sisters kids that he hadnít had a relationship with and then they have to refuse to accept his remains. Only then can I try to get him buried. This is such bull shit.


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Re: So frustrated with the police
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2019, 07:50:50 AM »
Is the guy with us or not or do you know?
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Re: So frustrated with the police
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2019, 07:56:28 AM »
Heís dead. The police called and told me that yesterday. The ME ruled it death from natural causes. But I canít find out where he was found or if they even know where he was staying. When I told them he owned a pistol and expressed concerns that someone would take it from his motel room, they asked if I had proof that he owned a gun. Theyíre not concerned about public safety unless I can prove he had a gun. He had a carry permit and the gun is registered in his name. They have the proof. They just need to check the records.


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Re: So frustrated with the police
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2019, 08:31:58 AM »
Matt, I'm sorry for the loss of your friend.

The Police are conducting an investigation.  At this point you may be a suspect, either in his death, or something (drugs, theft) related to his death.  I would suggest you make some notes to your self on the time frame of your contacts with him.  Specifically, the times of your phone calls to him that were answered by someone else.  They may get a search warrant for your phone, which means you lose your phone for awhile.

Not sure how things work in your county/state, but I don't think the police will act as probate investigator or probate court.  A probate investigator has probably already secured his stuff, and is trying to locate next of kin.  You may want to get in touch with the probate investigator and let them know what you know of his family.

Once again, sorry for your loss.
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Re: So frustrated with the police
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2019, 09:01:06 AM »
WOW..........that sucks so bad, my heart goes out to you. I pray you get the answers you want and are able to bury your friend.
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Re: So frustrated with the police
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2019, 09:09:30 AM »
I just got off the phone with the MEís office. Bryan died June 12th. The police said he died of natural causes. The ME said itís still under investigation. Iím expecting a call back from the MEís office. The lady I spoke to wanted to leave it up to the lead investigator what info was released so I hope to find out where Bryanís stuff is.

I told them what they needed to expedite finding his closest relative and who his last employer was.


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Re: So frustrated with the police
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2019, 09:11:51 AM »
Not sure how things work in your county/state, but I don't think the police will act as probate investigator or probate court.  A probate investigator has probably already secured his stuff, and is trying to locate next of kin.  You may want to get in touch with the probate investigator and let them know what you know of his family.

From what I can tell, the police are leaving it up to the motel manager to disperse his possessions as they see fit. Iím still trying to find out what motel he was in so I can find out for sure.



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Re: So frustrated with the police
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2019, 09:24:21 AM »
Maybe the police decided the value of Bryan's property was less than his motel bill.

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Re: So frustrated with the police
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2019, 09:29:15 AM »
Maybe the police decided the value of Bryan's property was less than his motel bill.

Including his truck, laptop, all his power tools, and his pistol? Besides, his room would have been paid ahead of time. He was in a motel in the hood according to him. Places like that donít let you run a tab.


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Re: So frustrated with the police
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2019, 09:32:29 AM »
Heís dead. The police called and told me that yesterday. The ME ruled it death from natural causes. But I canít find out where he was found or if they even know where he was staying. When I told them he owned a pistol and expressed concerns that someone would take it from his motel room, they asked if I had proof that he owned a gun. Theyíre not concerned about public safety unless I can prove he had a gun. He had a carry permit and the gun is registered in his name. They have the proof. They just need to check the records.


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To be fare unless the gun is involved in a crime, there is no real way to trace it at this time. The WCL only gives permission to carry. Has nothing to do with the hardware.

Hope he was sleeping when called home ..
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Re: So frustrated with the police
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2019, 09:45:23 AM »

To be fare unless the gun is involved in a crime, there is no real way to trace it at this time. The WCL only gives permission to carry. Has nothing to do with the hardware.

Hope he was sleeping when called home ..
Cheers,
Pep

I would have expected his handgun to be registered to him but I just checked and Tennessee doesnít require handgun registration. But the police shouldnít be unconcerned about what happened to his gun. There have been 40 road rage related shootings in Memphis this year. I used to defend the violence in Memphis as not random. I donít do that anymore.



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Re: So frustrated with the police
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2019, 10:49:18 AM »
Matt, sorry about the loss of your friend and everything you are going through when you are trying to do the right thing by your friend.

I know every state does things differently about these situations and probate. We had a friend die in our house in Vegas. A neighbor called us in L.A. to tell us and we got there early the next morning to find the house sealed and we could not make entry. There was a number for the county on the paperwork so we called and made a visit to the county office we had to go to. We were told that until they found a will we could not make entry to our house as his possessions were still in there. Fortunately the wife knew the law firm in Fl. that had drawn up the will with the wife named as executor and beneficiary and they faxed it to the county. They gave us the stuff the county had removed for their investigation and told us we could make entry and then told us what funeral home the body was at.

The county said the law required proof before they could do anything and fortunately we were able to produce it. It was very frustrating to deal with the county but they have the law to deal with. It is a tough thing to go through and requires a level head to take appropriate steps. I wish you the best in all of this.

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Re: So frustrated with the police
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2019, 10:54:25 AM »

The county said the law required proof before they could do anything and fortunately we were able to produce it. It was very frustrating to deal with the county but they have the law to deal with. It is a tough thing to go through and requires a level head to take appropriate steps. I wish you the best in all of this.

Iím hoping the Memphis Police Dept sealed his room. I know what Bryan wanted done with his things and I donít want some motel owner in the hood declaring Christmas came early this year.


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Re: So frustrated with the police
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2019, 11:05:10 AM »
sorry for your loss but i think the popo are doing things the way they have to. they don't know you from adam. an unattended  death makes things messy and you could be suspect, opportunist, innocent bystander or any other thing in between, they don't know. this will shake out and you will get answers. if your friend did not have his affairs in some sort of order that is his fault, not yours, not the police, not anyone.
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Re: So frustrated with the police
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2019, 12:42:22 PM »
sorry for your loss but i think the popo are doing things the way they have to. they don't know you from adam. an unattended  death makes things messy and you could be suspect, opportunist, innocent bystander or any other thing in between, they don't know. this will shake out and you will get answers. if your friend did not have his affairs in some sort of order that is his fault, not yours, not the police, not anyone.

I donít want them to hand his possessions over to me. I want them to prevent the motel from claiming them or passers by grabbing what they want. Someone already has his cell phone. I expect to go through all the legal red tape concerning his stuff. The police have lead me to believe they took his body and did nothing to protect his property.


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