Arggggh,,,,Price increases

[fatfillup]

Getting price increases from suppliers every week on something or multiple somethings.  Getting tired of having to update prices all the time and things have gotten stupid expensive.  Today, dual lance wands, up 15 % and one flavor of soap, up 14%.

Not to mention freight.  Afraid to figure out that percentage. 


Wonder when it will stop.

Actually, I think it will stop when we get into a recession which I think is pretty darn quick.

Also, the price tools are bringing at auctions is way up.  I need to up what I am willing to pay for tools or I go home empty.

Business is good though, which baffles me.

[bonneyman]

Yep, prices are going to the ISS!

Just ran into an A/C company owner. Haven't seen him in like 8 years. He recognized me. Said business is better than ever. He can't go on roofs (he has two trainees for that), and he only works 4 hours a day. But he says business is booming. Can't see how people can afford to pay the going rates ($100 an hour and up for labor, freon is $300 a pound) but I guess you need A/C.

[Lookin4_67GalaxieConv]

 Too much money chasing too few goods.

[bonneyman]

Sure glad I have the Henleys formulas book (and other DIY make your own stuff). I can buy basic products in bulk and mix it up as I need it. After my last detergent purchase from Cal-Bens (and seeing what the prices have gone to) I might have to get back into alchemy! 

Also been watching this New Zealander on YouTube (Marty T). Living off the grid - dang he comes up with all sorts of solutions!

[Lookin4_67GalaxieConv]

Imagine if 'Build Back Dumber' had passed!

[goodfellow]

Unfortunately i think this is just the beginning. The DC cabal has rigged the system at every level to ensure that their agendas get implemented in order to subjugate the American middle class. Republicans and Democrats are both hard at work to undermine our country.

[pep]

Sure glad I have the Henleys formulas book (and other DIY make your own stuff). I can buy basic products in bulk and mix it up as I need it. After my last detergent purchase from Cal-Bens (and seeing what the prices have gone to) I might have to get back into alchemy! 

Also been watching this New Zealander on YouTube (Marty T). Living off the grid - dang he comes up with all sorts of solutions!

 

[slip knot]

Chemicals in my business have gone up as well. last year we were pay $850 a ton and this year its at $1400 a ton plus a $100 freight surcharge....And we had a contract at $850. They just laughed and said we could re-bid if we wanted but they would guarantee $2000/ ton would be low bid. My chemical budgets shot already with 4 months to go. 

[walrus]

Over 6 dollar/gallon diesel here, 6 dollar/gallon heating oil here also.  62.50 for 4 by 8 sht of 1/2 CDX plywood, 39.00 bucks for 7/16 OSB. 9 bucks ofr 2by 4 by 8 stud.  Windows out 4 months from Marvin.  Wire prices thru the roof. Can't get breakers, doesn't matter who makes them, they aren't available. Meter trims, 4 months out.  Interest rates up which will finally kill the housing boom. I could go on forever.

To top it all off we have a crazy POS with his finger near the red button.

[Lookin4_67GalaxieConv]

April 2020 I got gas for $1.419

Today I paid $4.299

[muddy]

$4.95 for regular around here.

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[Lookin4_67GalaxieConv]

OJ I buy at Walmart went from $2.14 to $2.76 just like that. 

29% increase.

Thanks, Uncle Joe!

[goodfellow]

OJ I buy at Walmart went from $2.14 to $2.76 just like that. 

29% increase.

Thanks, Uncle Joe!

Prices will continue to rise well into next year regardless of who wins the November elections. Independent trucking companies can't stay afloat at these inflationary fuel prices and many are closing down. Others will pass the increased costs on to the consumer (rightly so)  -- a catch 22 until Brandon and his Green New Deal cabal are sent packing.

[bonneyman]

And with more and more trucking shutting down, the shortages will continue to worsen and spread. Expect shortages of food, fuel, parts, supplies. These will then affect manufacturing facilities and such - we're being told to expect rolling blackouts now that the heat has hit.

Prices in the produce section have gotten so bad I've started a garden. In Arizona that is no small task! And I've been buying extra and storing anything and everything I can get that I think I might need. Already I can't find certain things in the stores. hardware has gotten ridiculous. I've always stripped down appliances before tossing them so as not to waste nuts and screws. Now I'm stripping everything before it hits the dumpster. If I can use it it gets stored. If not, then it goes to the scrap yard. Reducing what I throw out to the minimum.

[fatfillup]

Hadn't heard about trucking companies shutting down and I deal with a lot of them, though not common carriers.  Getting new trucks, now that is a different story.

And used ones are stupid expensive.

About a month ago, I read an article (may have been linked here) that IIRC, by mid July, gas would be $6.25 a gal.  It was likely still under $4 so I dismissed it.  Well, I am thinking they may be right. 

I wouldn't want to be a young family right now and anybody who's budget was tight before has got to be hurting now and it will get worse.

Look for the middle class to shrink and the lowest earners to be in trouble.

I am seeing things slowing up a bit.


BUT,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,we have gone through recessions before and always recover, think we will recover again.

[goodfellow]

Hadn't heard about trucking companies shutting down and I deal with a lot of them, though not common carriers.  Getting new trucks, now that is a different story.

I saw a report last night that specifically mentioned small independent operator trucking companies shutting down or filing for bankruptcy. The problem seems to be what the report called the "carry costs". Large companies pay of a 30, 60, or even 90 day schedule, yet small independent truckers are required to pay the fuel and maintenance costs up front and then have to wait for full payment from their customers. If you have to float these costs for 30, 60, or 90 days it becomes impossible to maintain cash-flow for continued operation. I'm sure by now diesel prices are high enough to where these operators have to pay $1.00/mile just for fuel. Couple all that with the fact that the bureaucrats in DC are doing nothing to alleviate the crisis, and  I can see where a lot of these folks are throwing in the towel.

[bonneyman]

Yeah, the small trucking guys are getting squeezed by skyrocketing diesel prices and and being able to budget for runs. Many are facing the reality of either quitting their business and going to work for a big company as a driver or closing up shop. Bigger firms can usually weather through crisis', but the smaller guys lack the capital to make it. Hitting the mom and pop company's again.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Gas-Prices/Truckers-Are-Facing-An-Existential-Crisis-As-Fuel-Prices-Soar.html

[walrus]

As it is we can't products into the stores, supply houses, how much worse will is be once a few more trucking firms shit the bed?

mechanized logging is taking on the chin, feller bunchers use 100s of gallons of fuel  a day, trucks, skidders, delimbers etc add more fuel to the daily costs. Very little increases in raw materials means they now can't pay their bills. Stuff is being parked as I write this. Going to be bad next winter as I expect people are still coming to Maine for vacations which will soften the blow for now. Once October hits all bets are off. Worse than 2008.

[muddy]

Did a brake job on Komatsu forklift today. Drums were scored up. $1000 our cost, per drum! Used to be like $300.

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[walrus]

Did a brake job on Komatsu forklift today. Drums were scored up. $1000 our cost, per drum! Used to be like $300.

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Rotors for 19 gmc, 180 bucks apiece.

[slip knot]

Filled up the truck yesterday. 1/4 tank. One week of driving.

FJB

[highland512]

Filled up the truck yesterday. 1/4 tank. One week of driving.

FJB

A direct quote from the person filling up their car at the pump across from me.
This is Putin's fault, that what CNN said
                                           

It blows my mine that people are so ignorant.

[slip knot]

Gullible people are everywhere. That’s how we got in the shape we’re in. Nobody wants to think anymore.

[bonneyman]

You can't fix stupid.
And I'm done trying. People want to to believe this garbage, let them. When the blackouts hit and the store shelves go bare, let them think Putin did it. These ignorant fools - and tens of millions like them - will be running around in the streets like headless chickens. It will be sad, and extremely hard to watch, but at least we knew it was coming. So when the dam breaks, we'll at least not be surprised by shock.

[Lookin4_67GalaxieConv]

Filled up the truck yesterday. 1/4 tank. One week of driving.

FJB

A direct quote from the person filling up their car at the pump across from me.
This is Putin's fault, that what CNN said
                                           

 

[goodfellow]

Gullible people are everywhere. That’s how we got in the shape we’re in. Nobody wants to think anymore.

Same crowd that still thinks the government is working on their behalf.

[walrus]

Filled up the truck yesterday. 1/4 tank. One week of driving.

FJB

I do that several times a week, sometimes every day. I bill it out though 

[TexasT]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidblackmon/2022/06/10/exxon-responds-to-bidens-inflation-blame-shifting-attack/amp/

This guy and the admins blame game. Read the teleprompter and keep repeating the half truths and out right lies hoping the sheep will believe it. Red wave on the way.

[fatfillup]

Interesting article.  Thanks

[bonneyman]

Just priced out some air filters for my SIL. She's one of the few family members who has me get her filters through my dealer and change them monthly.
Regular 1" pleats, common size, by the box. $70.53 for twelve. That's about $5.85 each! I told them thanks, and dug through my records as I thought that sounded high. Last time I bought filters for her (in October) they were $4.54 each. So the price went up $1.31 each in 6 months. Just cardboard, metal stiffener wire, and fibrous media - and it jumped 29%? 

Man o man it's getting thick.

[slip knot]

I got a notice from one of my contract labs that they were going to institute a 8.5% "inflation surcharge" I wish my boss' would let me just jump in with a "inflation surcharge" ..

[fatfillup]

I got a notice from one of my contract labs that they were going to institute a 8.5% "inflation surcharge" I wish my boss' would let me just jump in with a "inflation surcharge" ..

And that is going to be the problem going forward.  Wages, especially folks like you who work for .gov, are falling behind quickly compared to inflation.

That is going to hurt the folks on the low end of the wage scale the most.  I really feel for young families

[Lookin4_67GalaxieConv]

I got a notice from one of my contract labs that they were going to institute a 8.5% "inflation surcharge" I wish my boss' would let me just jump in with a "inflation surcharge" ..

And that is going to be the problem going forward.  Wages, especially folks like you who work for .gov, are falling behind quickly compared to inflation.

That is going to hurt the folks on the low end of the wage scale the most.  I really feel for young families

The people the Democrats claim to represent.  Democrats get in power, take over a booming economy that's benefitted everyone, then immediately puts policies in place that make things unaffordable and hurts low income people the most. 

Ironic, huh?   

[TexasT]

Might seem ironic but it is the way of the liberal. Look what happened with obummer(into the ditch by the end of the first quarter of his term)and they like to push how great Clinton was but his policies pretty much caused the housing and s&l crashes of the early 2000s.

People have short memories and believe the crap that is shoveled at them. Sad but they get a new generation every few yrs to pedal their sad broken policies. And somehow it is eaten up.

Those who control the past control the future, and those who control the present control the past. Gotta know all this take the statue down and try to wipe the history out isn't for the good.

I point this out to all my children and their friends but I doubt it sinks in but maybe it will if I keep repeating it like the libs do with theri lies.

[slip knot]

I agree, the Democrats are very good at shoveling shit, but their constituency must like the taste because they adamantly defend those who do the shoveling.

 I'm fairly independent when it comes to voting but these last few Dems have pretty much sold me. I'll never vote Democrat again, at least not while I'm alive.

[jabberwoki]

Im exactly the same

[bonneyman]

Geez, gas has gone up 40 cents a gallon over the past 3 days! And all the Bidenites can say is blame Putin and buy an electric car.

Stolen elections have consequences.

[Rural53]

This is a copy of a letter posted on a New Zealand farming FB page a couple of days ago from a fertilser co-op. Some of these increases are over 25%

[goodfellow]

This is a copy of a letter posted on a New Zealand farming FB page a couple of days ago from a fertilser co-op. Some of these increases are over 25%

Same type of correspondence is going out to local coops across my part of Virginia. I'm also told that the availability of DEF (Diesel emissions urea fluid) is going sky-high and is not even available in some parts of the state anymore. Diesel vehicles with computer controls can't operate if the systems sense that DEF is low, or on empty. Folks on the internet are posting all types of "hacks" to get around the DEF problem.

[highland512]

This is a copy of a letter posted on a New Zealand farming FB page a couple of days ago from a fertilser co-op. Some of these increases are over 25%

Same type of correspondence is going out to local coops across my part of Virginia. I'm also told that the availability of DEF (Diesel emissions urea fluid) is going sky-high and is not even available in some parts of the state anymore. Diesel vehicles with computer controls can't operate if the systems sense that DEF is low, or on empty. Folks on the internet are posting all types of "hacks" to get around the DEF problem.

This is one of several reasons why the used equipment pre DEF is bringing a very high premium now.

[bonneyman]

I never heard about this DEF until about a month ago. Sounded like a special lubricant for low sulfur diesel motors. Don't know anybody with farm equipment so I'm only got internet sources to go on.

But if such motors won't work without the stuff then that sounds like a "key" the powers that be put into farming so they could trigger it at some future point and freeze operations. Maybe I'm jumping to a conclusion?

[highland512]

I never heard about this DEF until about a month ago. Sounded like a special lubricant for low sulfur diesel motors. Don't know anybody with farm equipment so I'm only got internet sources to go on.

But if such motors won't work without the stuff then that sounds like a "key" the powers that be put into farming so they could trigger it at some future point and freeze operations. Maybe I'm jumping to a conclusion?

Its not just agriculture engines. Its all classes of diesel trucks, construction equipment, trains, and even stationary engines. I dont think it's some grand collusion but more like a bunch of do gooders got into power starting around early 2000's and drove this unrealistic emissions crap down engine manufactures throats. The engines we have now are less efficient, less reliable, and when they brake down hold onto your wallet with both hands. Just the exhaust filter for a newer ford powerstroke is more than $10,000........if you can find one.

You would not believe how many times I have had to nearly stop a whole crew on a construction site while we waited on a machine to re-gen the exhaust system. But boyhowdy that exhaust sure is cleaner while the machine burns about 12% more fuel a day than an identical model thats 3 years older...aint progress great. 

[slip knot]

I've got a 1.3MW generator at one of my facilities. Think essential services here like water and sewer services. its got a 4000gallon fuel cell and a 250 gallon DEF cell. Seems that DEF goes bad if it gets too hot. South Texas gets damned hot in the summer. So every year we got to drain the DEF out and replace it with fresh...
Most Muni generators are exempt from DEF requirements unless you want to grid tie so you can feed back into the grid. But then its no longer muni..

[bonneyman]

I never heard about this DEF until about a month ago. Sounded like a special lubricant for low sulfur diesel motors. Don't know anybody with farm equipment so I'm only got internet sources to go on.

But if such motors won't work without the stuff then that sounds like a "key" the powers that be put into farming so they could trigger it at some future point and freeze operations. Maybe I'm jumping to a conclusion?

Its not just agriculture engines. Its all classes of diesel trucks, construction equipment, trains, and even stationary engines. I dont think it's some grand collusion but more like a bunch of do gooders got into power starting around early 2000's and drove this unrealistic emissions crap down engine manufactures throats. The engines we have now are less efficient, less reliable, and when they brake down hold onto your wallet with both hands. Just the exhaust filter for a newer ford powerstroke is more than $10,000........if you can find one.

You would not believe how many times I have had to nearly stop a whole crew on a construction site while we waited on a machine to re-gen the exhaust system. But boyhowdy that exhaust sure is cleaner while the machine burns about 12% more fuel a day than an identical model thats 3 years older...aint progress great.

So it's not a farming thing? My BIL drives a delivery truck with a diesel - I'll have to ask him if he has that stuff in his truck.

[fatfillup]

The problem with environmental regulation is they pass the laws with no clear solution in place forcing manufacturers to meet the laws regardless. 

Over time, things get figured out but the interim is terrible for the consumers because they are forced to use technology that is not proven and most times, fraught with problems.

Look at car manufacturers. In the 70's, meeting emissions about killed the US companies (quality issues and complacency also) but over time they got it figured out, but at a high cost to workers and consumers.  Now they have gas engines making stupid power, good economy and longevity.  And much cleaner air.  In the end, it was a win, just a terrible path to get there.  Diesels will follow suit I imagine.  I know they have gotten better, not hearing as many problems from trucking companies like I used to, though still too expensive to maintain. 

I personally would support government subsidizing research to find workable solutions to environmental problems before rules are put into effect. 

[TexasT]

I am not sure on the def shortage. I picked up two pallets of the stuff yesterday and the guy there said they have plenty. Included is a pic of the warehouse and shelves full of the stuff. I guess it could turn into a shortage of everyone runs out and buys some. Just like the toilet paper and the he baby formula.

[bonneyman]

OK, got some clarification from my SIL. Her husband's personal truck uses the DEF stuff. It's a pollution control additive that gets injected into the exhaust system to reduce emissions. (His truck tells him when he needs to add some usually a gallon or two). It doesn't get mixed with the diesel. It goes in a separate tank in his truck, and he gets it from a separate nozzle at certain truck stops. Like 72% de-ionized water and the rest is urea.
Apparently there's alot of people trying to find a work-around for it, as having your truck or tractor be idle because you can't reduce emissions sounds jack.

[TexasT]

Yes, the def is a separate tank. Many "delete" this and other emissions equipment just like many have with the gasser emissions stuff.
My pickup doesn't seem to use all that much of the def, but I don't drive very far and pile on the mileage. I've bought it once in the yr I've had a he truck and it was bought at the pump at a truck stop. I want to say it was about. $3-4/ gallon but this was last summer and I think I only bought 3 or 4 gallons of the stuff.
My pickup gets a hand figured 16 or so mpg as opposed to the dash/computer calculated 18-19 mpg. Better than the 9-12 mpg I was getting from the BBC powered suburban I was driving. I did like the 40 gallon tank on the suburban. This ram could of had a fifty gallon tank but requires a long bed for it to come from the factory like that. My buddy with his 6.4L hemi gasser and 50 gallon tank sez it is painful to fill it up when pulling his fifth wheel.

Either way, I'm more worried about all these food type places that seem to be catching fire. Seems awful nefarious to me.

[slip knot]

Either way, I'm more worried about all these food type places that seem to be catching fire. Seems awful nefarious to me.

The I&C contractor who built my last facility went on to a food line in Dallas area after us. There is nothing nefarious there. Incompetency would be closer to the truth.

[highland512]

Either way, I'm more worried about all these food type places that seem to be catching fire. Seems awful nefarious to me.

The I&C contractor who built my last facility went on to a food line in Dallas area after us. There is nothing nefarious there. Incompetency would be closer to the truth.

Nefarious indeed. All I know is we have the biggest garden we have ever put out and I picked up 3 more flats of canning jars.

[bonneyman]

Either way, I'm more worried about all these food type places that seem to be catching fire. Seems awful nefarious to me.

The I&C contractor who built my last facility went on to a food line in Dallas area after us. There is nothing nefarious there. Incompetency would be closer to the truth.

Nefarious indeed. All I know is we have the biggest garden we have ever put out and I picked up 3 more flats of canning jars.

Shoot - I was just thinking about canning jars this past weekend! And enclosing my Arizona room, so I can grow during the winter as we usually don't go below freezing much.

[TexasT]

https://www.operanewsapp.com/us/en/share/detail?news_id=1fcd05edcfea11edbe1bf4db3610b736&news_entry_id=4a55d5a3220621en_us&open_type=transcoded&request_id=PUSH_d12fe409-ac8d-437d-9ca1-9ef95ed29c4f&from=opera_push

The working class is getting crushed and this POTUS is cracking jokes about the head of an oil company. Red wave and muzzle this admin in the fall.

[fatfillup]

I like the fact that the oil industry is proposing a real long term plan for  sustainable energy availability.

It is written from the energy companies' perspective so it may be self serving but it is a beginning, a framework to work from.

Unfortunately, the climate change people refuse to realize that oil, coal and natural gas are necessary to maintain our standard of living for quite a while and won't include them in any type of planning going forward. 

We need a comprehensive plan that will look at energy needs for the next 25+ years that factors in realistic goals of renewable energy and how much fossil fuel we will need and figure out how we can get there without gutting an industry and ruining folks lives in the process.

Suppose we need to factor in nuclear engery also and any other energy source.

[goodfellow]

We need a comprehensive plan that will look at energy needs for the next 25+ years that factors in realistic goals of renewable energy and how much fossil fuel we will need and figure out how we can get there without gutting an industry and ruinig folks lives in the process.

Suppose we need to factor in nuclear engery also and any other energy source.

Good point Phil! A 25 year plan that included nuclear and sustainable energy was supposed to be why the US Dept. of Energy was created by Pres. Carter. Almost 50 years later we still don't have a comprehensive national energy policy in place. The DC crowd just created a new bureaucracy that (like all government agencies) got larger as time went by and produced very little in return.

[fatfillup]

Ray, you are all to correct on the growing bureaucracy with nothing in return.  Man that is  depressing

[walrus]

You think they care about your standard of living?