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Offline J.A.F.E.

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Re: Speaking as a mentor: what I would recommend to young folks starting out
« Reply #30 on: October 20, 2018, 10:14:28 PM »
I have a ratcheting screwdriver set and it includes 1/4 sockets. I can't say I'm very impressed at all with the sockets. The ratcheting drivers are fine and I have no issues but considering how many choices I have I don't have to settle and to me buying Taiwan/China is settling in the first place.

So why spend what I see as Proto prices for HF quality and that's just the way I see it.
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Re: Speaking as a mentor: what I would recommend to young folks starting out
« Reply #31 on: October 20, 2018, 10:55:02 PM »
I bought my first set of SAE gear Wrenches in 1996. I remember the year because I was working for a company with a good friend of mine, and we had talked about the ratcheting box wrenches - which were new at that time. The next day I walked in with a set, and he said, "I hate you!" :)

Still have that original set, and have acquired a 1/4"er just because the things have worked so well and taken abuse and none have ever failed. I don't know if the new examples are the same quality as those first ones, but I'm sold on GW. I kinda knew they were Taiwan-made but got them anyway. Man am I glad I did!

One thing I haven't considered till now is the fact that with the socket adaptors GW has come out with one can have a real shallow ratchet/socket set just by having the GW's.

I'm dedicated to buying American, but Taiwan has produced some really good stuff. My recent purchase of the composite ratchets just proves their worth.

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Re: Speaking as a mentor: what I would recommend to young folks starting out
« Reply #32 on: October 20, 2018, 11:01:27 PM »
I bought Armstrong ratcheting wrenches, USA made and really nice. Don't really need them, but got them at a great price.

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Re: Speaking as a mentor: what I would recommend to young folks starting out
« Reply #33 on: October 20, 2018, 11:45:23 PM »
I agree Taiwan makes some good stuff, as does China. I just don't like to buy it although I will if I have a reason. My preference for USA made has more to do with pride of place and a little jingoism than any other reason. There area few countries I don't like doing business with but that gets into a realm best discussed in another area.

I'm not familiar with older GW and in fact didn't know they went back to the 80's - I thought they were later than that.
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Re: Speaking as a mentor: what I would recommend to young folks starting out
« Reply #34 on: October 21, 2018, 11:15:33 AM »
my bare minimum tool set would consist of wrenches to 3/4 and 19mm with a 3/8 socket set covering the same sizes. a 4 pc set of pliers consisting of needle nose, side cutting, slip joint and water pump.  a good 4 or 6 piece screwdriver set would cover the driver end.

those basic sets would cover about 90% of what one needs to take apart, fix and adjust most mechanical things.


a hammer, small punch/chisel set, pry bar, 1/4 bit set with driver, adjustable wrench, small pick set, compact 3/8 and locking flex ratchets take that to almost 100% unless your  needs fall into 1/2 or larger drive sizes

i still use 1/4 drive sockets but honestly  i would rarely need them as long as i have a compact 3/8 ratchet.  the only real issue with that is some of the smaller sizes are  not readily available in 3/8 drive.
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Re: Speaking as a mentor: what I would recommend to young folks starting out
« Reply #35 on: October 21, 2018, 12:12:27 PM »
I bought a set of SAE flex-head GW on a Black Friday sale at the Hometown store 8 years ago and they quickly became a go to set. They work great for pulling the bolts that hold the hood on the tractor. I bought a 20 pc SAE/Metric set at NAPA several years ago and am happy with them. If they wouldn't of been on a special sale I may not have bought them.

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Re: Speaking as a mentor: what I would recommend to young folks starting out
« Reply #36 on: October 21, 2018, 12:19:08 PM »
my bare minimum tool set would consist of wrenches to 3/4 and 19mm with a 3/8 socket set covering the same sizes. a 4 pc set of pliers consisting of needle nose, side cutting, slip joint and water pump.  a good 4 or 6 piece screwdriver set would cover the driver end.

those basic sets would cover about 90% of what one needs to take apart, fix and adjust most mechanical things.


a hammer, small punch/chisel set, pry bar, 1/4 bit set with driver, adjustable wrench, small pick set, compact 3/8 and locking flex ratchets take that to almost 100% unless your  needs fall into 1/2 or larger drive sizes

i still use 1/4 drive sockets but honestly  i would rarely need them as long as i have a compact 3/8 ratchet.  the only real issue with that is some of the smaller sizes are  not readily available in 3/8 drive.
I would say you're about right , I have most of that stuff in my house box and rarely have i needed more for any basic repair work I've done.

To store the basic set of tools I would recommend the $20 HF " 17" hip roof toolbox " it's a great steel toolbox with tray for the money.
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Re: Speaking as a mentor: what I would recommend to young folks starting out
« Reply #37 on: October 21, 2018, 01:48:57 PM »
I have several sets of gear type wrench sets. Some came from HF, other sets from elsewhere and a few sets are actual GW brand. Every set I bought on sale or from a pawn shop, and I bought all of them new. None of mine go larger than 7'8".

I always viewed gear type wrenches as a luxury that I was not willing to invest heavily in. It seemed all of them regardless the brand used to come from offshore and honestly, to me, every set I have including HF are about even on quality and performance. I like them very much and reach for them often. I have been very pleased with every set I bought and no longer care where they came from.

Since those are still a luxury to me I never saw a need to go into the larger sizes, when I need to go that large my old regular wrenches will do just fine.
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Re: Speaking as a mentor: what I would recommend to young folks starting out
« Reply #38 on: October 21, 2018, 05:26:41 PM »
I'm not familiar with older GW and in fact didn't know they went back to the 80's - I thought they were later than that.

I didn't know they cam out in the 1980's. I started in AC around 1988, and my original tool bag contained my Bonney combos. I thought when I bought my GW they were a new thing. But I could be wrong - my memory is fraying around the edges badly these days.

When did Gear Wrench intro their ratcheting box wrenches and combos?

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Re: Speaking as a mentor: what I would recommend to young folks starting out
« Reply #39 on: October 21, 2018, 05:47:58 PM »
I had thought you mentioned in your post you bought them in 1986. In rereading it you said 1996 so I misread what you wrote. Sorry for the confusion. 96 would be more in line with what I thought but still a little earlier than I had imagined. I found a company timeline and it seems the wrenches were introduced in 95 earlier still than I thought.

http://cms.gearwrench.com/gearwrench/brands-timeline/2000
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Re: Speaking as a mentor: what I would recommend to young folks starting out
« Reply #40 on: October 21, 2018, 06:18:44 PM »
I had thought you mentioned in your post you bought them in 1986. In rereading it you said 1996 so I misread what you wrote. Sorry for the confusion. 96 would be more in line with what I thought but still a little earlier than I had imagined. I found a company timeline and it seems the wrenches were introduced in 95 earlier still than I thought.

http://cms.gearwrench.com/gearwrench/brands-timeline/2000

Cool, so I'm not going crazy after all! Whew! :o

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Re: Speaking as a mentor: what I would recommend to young folks starting out
« Reply #41 on: November 10, 2018, 09:02:15 AM »
Tools are a subjective topic. A lot depends on the vehicles(brand, manufacturer), home age, and projects the tool procurer is willing to tackle.

I started off with sae stuff as I had(still have) the Buick GS455. I didn't buy metric stuff until I bought the first Turbo Regal and half the fasteners were metric. But if this individual has foreign or just modern vehicles sae is probably not even needed. I like a 3/8" drive set. Probably 6 point with shallow and deep and a hf ratchet  to get going. It can be upgraded as funds and desires allow. I have craftsman, husky, kobalt, matco, and snappy ratchets. I like em all but some do better than others for specific tasks. I do love the snap on locking flex ratchet but it is too big for some tasks and I really like the 3/8 drive in a 1/4" body flex shorty but it is way out of the price range for a starter set.

As far as screw drivers that is another deal where the project  decides where i fall on them. I have Klein for the home stuff and keep em in an open top carrier. Phillips, flat, a flat with wire loop maker post is handy for electrical work as I don't use the push in thing and will take the time to loop it and screw it down. But for automotive machines and lawn n garden stuff the snappy screw drivers just seem to work better. Not sure why and maybe it is my imagination but I have a drawer full of the snappy and craftsman that I use for that type repair stuff. I also have some of the hf orange hard handles. I cant say anything bad about them. I abuse them and such and they come back for more and I think for a dollar or two a piece you cant go wrong with them though I'm not sure they even sell em any more. as the last "free" set was black handle and they are different(I haven't even gotten them out of the package yet to try em. Though I got several sets to give and loan out).

I have Klein needle nose pliers with the stripper hole and love that. Line man pliers for grabbing stuff and squishing things. I bought some thomas & Betts squishing pliers for crimp connectors. Wow they are great(Had them probably fifteen yrs now but went a long time with out and looking back should have bought them sooner). I have some craftsman pliers that don't have the nut at the fulcrum they are just made together so they never get loose. I found a set like that at hf and like them too but had to spray the  handles with hairspray to keep em from slipping off. I love me some channel locks, I have from little to the big Azz size and use them pretty regularly.

I too went through several sets of battery tools over the yrs. Nothing lasts forever. I even set out to replace the batteries in the ones that didn't work but for the cost and hassle it was much less hassle and less money to just buy another set of tool. Went through the 14.4 dewalt and Milwaukee(Last of the USA made Milwaukee when HD clearanced em) and am now using 12 v Hitachi that I think has just as much power as the 14.4 and is much lighter. I got them as rebuilts from a site that sends me emails(I'm sure it could be found with a search). I think I gave about $60 shipped for the drill, 1/4" drive impact, flashlight, two batteries, charger and a carrying bag. Also got a 5/8" hammer drill from them for like $30 shipped and a grinder and some other things, all Hitachi I'm sure it is the return stuff from lowes they repair and resell. I have a Milwaukee HoleShooter also last of the USA when HD clearanced for a corded drill along with several craftsman drills that never see the light of day as I use the battery stuff. I did pick up a skil 10.4 v as a deal for like $25 to try out. Cant kill that thing either, I charge it every few months and it sits on my work bench. It doesn't have mad power but for running screws in and out it is great.

I like a 25' tape measure. Though my dad will always pick a 16' though it has to be 1' wide so it will really stand out. I have some 16' ones but rarely pick one up. I did pick up a cool magnet thing with belt clip. Saves on the jean pocket as you clip it on and pull the tape off and it will go back on an stay with the magnet, pretty slick but not really needed for a starter. Speed square and a big metal square are handy for marking and measuring stuff.

Then you get into the things that are more specialized. I have a tile saw from hf. It works but boy is it messy. My dad has a bigger on with the sliding table and the big catch pan and stand. It is the cadillac but for a seventh the price the hf one does the job as I don't do tile every day. Sawzall is real handy as is a circular saw. Both are dangerous in the hands of a novice. I unplug them as soon as I set them down as habit from when My kids where young. They were frequent fliers at the emergency room as it was and I didn't want to be the reason for another visit. A mapp gas torch is real handy for heating things and sweating copper pipes. Kinda worthless if you don't know how to use it and can be super dangerous by burning your place down. I always recommend a partner to watch as you work to make sure you aren't burning things while concentrating on the thing you are doing. Grinder even a little 4" or 4.5" can do some real damage in the hands of a novice. Face shield, gloves and a thick apron might be in order.

I think the most important thing is ppe and the top of that list is a comfortable pair of safety glasses. If they are uncomfortable you wont put them on and that can be catastrophic.
You only get two so keep em as safe as possible. And don't put your fingers any where you would put your man part. You only get so many of those to start with.

Not really all encompassing but some of the stuff that fills my garage.
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Re: Speaking as a mentor: what I would recommend to young folks starting out
« Reply #42 on: November 10, 2018, 09:17:41 AM »
Alot of good tips in there, Tex. I especially like the magnet idea for the tape measure - can't count how many pockets I've tore out of blue jeans over the years. Wish I'd stumbled on that tip years ago! And two big thumbs up on safety equipment use - one can't replace a lost eye or finger...or man part! :))

Honestly, I never saw the "need" for cordless drills. Sure, they can be handy, and I do use my Makita 9.6 volter for running in sheet metal screws, but it seems like EVERYBODY today has a lithium-ion thing hooked to the back of their pants! If I need a drill that much I'd just run out the extension cord and use the corded drill. Have several for spares, they're cheap as heck, and never have to worry about the battery dying. Though the cord does get tied up on things. Have a bid up on an old metal cased drill - hope I get it. Should be the last corded drill I buy.

But I'd be open to checking out the refurbishing site you spoke of. If you can provide a link that would be great.

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Re: Speaking as a mentor: what I would recommend to young folks starting out
« Reply #43 on: November 10, 2018, 09:42:46 AM »
The site I got the stuff from is www.bigskytool.com but I went there and they don't appear to have very much in stock. I am signed up on their email list so they send out emails with their specials I think weekly. I have gotten some bargains and am sure after Christmas when everyone returns the stuff they broke or don't want they will have a bunch of stuff.

The magnet thing is like this though I don't remember paying that much for it.
https://www.amazon.com/US-Tape-59955-Magtite-Measure/dp/B004RIF7ZO?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duckduckgo-d-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B004RIF7ZO

I'm a bargain hunter and thrive on refurbished stuff. I figure it is probably in better shape than the new stuff as someone has tested it out and returned it then the place fixes what is wrong and probably test it again and it works so it might be used but it is tested several times and now works. I haven't had a phone that isn't refurbished in over a decade.

This is the hammer drill I got on the cheap.. With carry case and all.
https://www.amazon.com/Hitachi-DV16VSS-2-Mode-Certified-Refurbished/dp/B00CX33CM0?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duckduckgo-d-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B00CX33CM0

And this is the drill driver set I got for much less than they are selling it.
https://www.amazon.com/Hitachi-KC10DFL2-Cordless-Lifetime-Warranty/dp/B00N3W70UK?psc=1&SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duckduckgo-d-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B00N3W70UK

I like to buy off the ebay though I am having trouble with a "bait n switch" seller that isn't seeming to want to return my money. Because NO, I don't want something else you have. I want what I ordered and I seriously doubt that it was returned damaged on a sunday after ordering it on thursday and it was the "last" one. So, up the ebay chain we go until I get my $30.36 back.

But They do have a lot of tools that can be a good price if you don't need them right away and can be patient to ferret out the bargains.

And I love the new Tekton, made in USA wrenches that are coming out. Doubt I'll buy new but used are only a few yrs away. Never know they could end up on the santa list.
https://www.tekton.com/angle-head-open-end-wrench-sets-keeper?quantity=1&metric-piece-count=16-pc&unit=metric

Bottom line as with anything, If you are patient and have the cash ready there are plenty of bargains out there on tools with a lot of life left in em that your grandchildren could be using some day. I know my snappy and craftsman stuff will hopefully be held in high regard but if it isn't I told the kids just throw em in the casket with me if you are just going to sell em. I might need em in the here after.
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Re: Speaking as a mentor: what I would recommend to young folks starting out
« Reply #44 on: November 10, 2018, 11:58:54 AM »
Oh yeah that magnet tape holder is damn nice. I'll have to recommend it to my apprentice.

When I worked at the hardware store a tape measure was a must. I just clipped it on my military-style web belt. I have several colors of those to go with different kinds of pants, and the mil-surp on-line store I buy from is reasonable and quick ship when I eventually wear them out.

Was thinking of making a stainless steel clip holder similar to these that held my ring of keys. But never got around to it.

https://www.keyring.com/okayskeysafechromeplated.aspx