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Offline Tool Pants

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Porter-Cable 330 sander screw from hell
« on: January 17, 2020, 01:59:48 PM »
6 months ago I bought a type 2 and I took it apart with no problem.  Few days ago I bought a type 1 from the Rockwell days.  Basically the same sanders - type 1 (on the left) is 2 amps - type 2 (on the right) is 1.2 amps.

The newest one vibrates like hell so I need to remove the pad holder to see if any of the 5 rubber posts are broken, or there is a bad bearing.  But I need to remove a allen head screw to remove the pad holder.  It will not budge.  Should not be so tight.  Gone through 3 allen wrenches.  It is a hardened screw so so far I have not rounded the hexagon recess, but I have twisted 3 allen wrenches.

I am not turning the wrong way.  It is a standard CW screw thread, and I am going CCW to try to remove it.  There is a youtube video of a guy taking apart a type 1 and he goes CCW with the allen wrench.  Parts list for type 1 and 2 show the same screw.  I even removed the screw from my type 2 just to make sure.  Motor turns CW so you would not use a left-handed screw.  But just for grins I did try going CW.
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Re: Porter-Cable 330 sander screw from hell
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2020, 04:07:11 PM »
Try soaking it with PB Blaster or something similar and let it sit. If a fastener makes me mad that is what I do before something gets screwed up or destroyed.

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Re: Porter-Cable 330 sander screw from hell
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2020, 05:02:51 PM »
If it is indeed stuck , maybe the factory used red thread lock or something like that I`ve had success heating just the head with a soldering iron.
Is the need enough? Or does the want suffice?

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Re: Porter-Cable 330 sander screw from hell
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2020, 05:07:32 PM »
I'm a professional.  PB Blaster was yesterday.  Liquid wrench.  Hammer.  Hammer and brass punch.  Heat gun (did not want to cook the shielded bearing under the screw).  When that little heat did not work - red hot with propane in case someone before me used Loctite.  Air and electric impact.  Twisted allen wrenches.  It is a little allen head 1/4" screw.

The type 2 I just do by hand with an allen wrench.

Prayer and voodo next.

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Re: Porter-Cable 330 sander screw from hell
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2020, 02:55:37 AM »
I like smacking stuck bolts with an impact driver and a good fitting bit

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Re: Porter-Cable 330 sander screw from hell
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2020, 06:15:41 PM »
Took one of the 5/32" twisted allens and cut about 1/2" off from the long leg.  Removed the 4mm allen (that got twisted) from the holder and put in the now stubby 5/32".  4mm and 5/32" is about the same - I only have metric allen bit holders.
Removed the extension from the electric Dewalt.

I figured that the longer than needed allen plus the extension I had on the Dewalt was absorbing the shock from the impact.  It is only a 1/4" screw.  One press on the trigger (in reverse) and it came out.  There was no loctite or corrosion - PB blaster and that stuff plus heat would and did not do any good.  Just a stubbornest screw - put on too tight at the factory.  Even the stubby 5/32" bit got twisted before the screw let go, which you can see in the 3rd pic.

Last pic is to show both Type 1 and Type 2 which are identical as far as the counterweight screws are concerned.
« Last Edit: January 19, 2020, 06:50:10 PM by Tool Pants »

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Re: Porter-Cable 330 sander screw from hell
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2020, 08:34:40 PM »
Good work.

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Re: Porter-Cable 330 sander screw from hell
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2020, 09:08:05 PM »
great idea, shorting the allen like that. Gotta remember that one.

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Re: Porter-Cable 330 sander screw from hell
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2020, 12:31:43 AM »
Very nice job. I can see where you were losing the torque with the allen twisting.

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Re: Porter-Cable 330 sander screw from hell
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2020, 07:05:45 AM »
I like smacking stuck bolts with an impact driver and a good fitting bit

That is the secret dance right there, quick action, pulling loads, do as show.

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Re: Porter-Cable 330 sander screw from hell
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2020, 07:12:41 AM »
Heck of a job -- good work!!

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Re: Porter-Cable 330 sander screw from hell
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2020, 12:25:54 PM »
Wow, that booger was tight.  Glad you got it off.  I likely would have broken the sander and tossed it :-\

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Re: Porter-Cable 330 sander screw from hell
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2020, 08:36:07 PM »
Wow, that booger was tight.  Glad you got it off.  I likely would have broken the sander and tossed it :-\
The SOB would have ended up in the dumpster for me too

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Re: Porter-Cable 330 sander screw from hell
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2020, 04:25:18 PM »
Blew the dust out with the air compressor.  Visual inspection could not find anything wrong.  There are 5 rubber posts (4 pad holder 1 counterweight) and when they crack from use the vibration increases, or a bad bearing.  All looked good.  Put it back together and it vibrated just like when I bought it.  Vibration is so bad it jumps out of your hand when you turn it on - then runs down the street.

I swapped pad holders and there was no difference, except if I put in just 2 of the 4 screws that go into the rubber posts the vibration was greatly reduced.

Then I pushed on the rubber posts and the older Rockwell Type 1 was much stiffer than the newer Type 2.  Explains why the vibration was reduced when only 2 post screws were installed.  The rubber post had hardened with age - like the rubber on a 40 year old tire.  The rubber post were supposed to absorb vibration and make the sander operate smoothly.  But when the rubber posts gets hard from age they transmit vibration.

Don't know how to date a PC sander from the time when the company was owned by Rockwell.  According to wiki Rockwell owned PC from 1960 to 1981. 
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Re: Porter-Cable 330 sander screw from hell
« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2020, 06:05:29 PM »
That much vibration would probably make your whole arm go numb.

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Re: Porter-Cable 330 sander screw from hell
« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2020, 12:07:37 PM »
Soak those rubber posts in lacquer thinner, they`ll soften back up.
Is the need enough? Or does the want suffice?

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Re: Porter-Cable 330 sander screw from hell
« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2020, 01:15:24 PM »
Arm goes numb then hands fall off.
« Last Edit: January 22, 2020, 03:02:53 PM by Tool Pants »

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Re: Porter-Cable 330 sander screw from hell
« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2020, 03:04:14 PM »
Vibration so bad it jumped off the tailgate and took off running.

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Re: Porter-Cable 330 sander screw from hell
« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2020, 03:36:06 PM »
 :D Maybe you should let it go, it doesn't seem happy.
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Re: Porter-Cable 330 sander screw from hell
« Reply #19 on: January 22, 2020, 04:23:36 PM »
I think they are happy.  Spawning.  Down the sidewalk and on the road back to Rockwell/Porter-Cable after decades of service.

The 4 rubber posts on the Porter Cable Type 2 which is a newer machine are supple and don't vibrate like the 40 year old plus Rockwell Type 1.  So the newer version follows follows the old out of respect.

Trying to date the 330 with the Rockwell logo.  According to Google. Rockwell bought PC around 1960.  It had been known as 330A, then Type 1, and then Type 2.  The Rockwell International name was in use around 1973 and that is the name on my Type 1.  Rockwell sold PC around 1981 to Pentair. Pentair sold to Black & Decker in 2004, and then merged with Stanley in 2010.

So my unfounded conclusion is that the jumping Rockwell Type 1 was made between 1973 - 1981
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Re: Porter-Cable 330 sander screw from hell
« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2020, 08:40:26 AM »
That's some funny stuff there :))

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Re: Porter-Cable 330 sander screw from hell
« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2020, 01:17:12 PM »
The Rockwell 330 has arrived at the Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania factory where is was born.  Looking for new legs.

The Porter Cable 330 has arrived at the Jackson, Tennessee factory where it was born.

This is what happens when Stanley takes over companies.

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Re: Porter-Cable 330 sander screw from hell
« Reply #22 on: December 22, 2022, 02:24:40 PM »
Almost 3 years later I used this product to soften the 4 rubber posts.  The posts are supple like the other sander that doesn't vibrate like crazy.  Sander is now usable.

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Re: Porter-Cable 330 sander screw from hell
« Reply #23 on: December 22, 2022, 03:13:31 PM »

 That is some impressive stuff.

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Re: Porter-Cable 330 sander screw from hell
« Reply #24 on: December 22, 2022, 08:23:02 PM »
Tool Pants, good to hear from you again, and your tool-espades.  :93:

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Re: Porter-Cable 330 sander screw from hell
« Reply #25 on: December 26, 2022, 10:43:10 AM »
Great save, I love saving old tools even if it makes no financial sense

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Re: Porter-Cable 330 sander screw from hell
« Reply #26 on: December 28, 2022, 03:03:39 PM »
We need to keep the old Porter Cable power tools in service, because Stanley Black & Decker has all but abandoned the name.  Norm would want it this way.

For a google searcher that wants to keep old sanders alive, the post part number is 912595.  Long discontinued.  Sometimes I saw on ebay new old stock posts but they are expensive for a set of 4, and I'm not going to buy a rubber part that has been sitting on a shelf for years that might be as stiff as what I have.

The post used on the 330 1/4" sheet sander is the same as the big brother 505 1/2 sheet sander.  Both sanders came out around 1963 when Rockwell owned Porter Cable.  Were in production for almost 50 years.  Now they are long gone.